Was 9/11 a conspiracy??

Was 9/11 a conspiracy??

Created by djhixx on Oct 13, 2007

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well, im not sure

crucifiedguy

“atheism is knowing the bible ”

Since: Jan 09

fictional hell

#255645 May 15, 2013
Porkpie Hat wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow!
In Twooferdumb all CCTV are high res, high frame rate with endless amounts of storage I guess.
And the do this only because,
[Their] Ignorance is [Their] Bliss
Steel plating.
It doesn't take a high resolution ,high frame rate camera with endless amounts of storage to film a jet aircraft crashing into a building. Any type of video camera will capture the bulk of the footage , it just has to be turned on with film in it. Which I believe all 12 cameras would positively been in this very operational state since they caught the "after" impact footage.
How many of the other 63 cameras do you think started filming "after" the impact? Position of these are not the question , timing is all I would need for conformation.

Hows the weather up there? Been fu*kin beautiful down here ,but in a couple of weeks It'll be hot as hell . I won't mind though cause next week I leave for corpus christi and I'll be sitting by the pool or on Padre Island sipping a cool beverage,smoking my herb and enjoying the scantly clad women .Only draw back is I have to work at least 2 or 3 hours a day to warrant a paycheck. lol!!
Jaques

Paris, France

#255647 May 15, 2013
Are you equating "conspiracies" with fiction? You are misunderstanding the word.

The Iraq war was indeed a huge unforgivable lie and responsible for a much larger body count than the 9/11 false flag operation in isolation, but 9/11 lie set the stage for the Iraq lie and other big lies. Still, Iraq should by itself be enough for war crimes prosecutions of American and British officials. The fact that this hasn't happened is a good indication of how badly broken the Anglo-American "legal" systems are.
Jaques

Paris, France

#255648 May 15, 2013
Equality--- wrote:
<quoted text>Conspiracies?
I Prefer fact!
Wasn't the Iraqi war based on a huge unforgivable lie, were thousands of working class fodder American soldiers were sent to there untimely deaths and thousands of innocent Iraqis also killed, while the fat cat military arms makers and dealers built there new holiday homes on the huge profits made, on the back of this unnecessary war?
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Since: Jun 09

Canada

#255649 May 15, 2013
Charlie Sheen wrote:
<quoted text>Can't say I disagree on the core of the post.
Funny how many of us "govie shills" agree with that eh?

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Canada

#255650 May 15, 2013
Insults Are Easier wrote:
<quoted text>I don't think all debunkers are being paid, but the daily lunatic ones such as yourself are highly suspect.. But more likely most are just influenced to repeat disinfo by the few that our. 95% of all people are followers, after all.

Alex Jones is grossly underpaid for the amount of good that he does in making people think critically about the world around them.

Jim Rome, sports radio host on CBS makes 30 million a year talking about things that mean nothing.

Rush Limbaugh brings in more than that keeping people distracted in the left/right false paradigm.

Yet Alex Jones is demonized for being worth 5 million after creating a web network that allows people and concepts to be discussed openly without censorship.

The hypocrites complain that earning a living and providing for his family equals deception, but with bias keep silent about every one else in the media who simply repeat government propaganda. How do we know this? One of many examples was WMD in Iraq, which was never questioned by all the media outlets who are rewarded with seats at the White House.

But sure, lets demonize Alex Jones for operating a business and not starving to death because

Insults Are Easier
Can you post one thing the fear monger has ever gotten correct Ignorance is Bliss?

Does he think free fall is a velocity too?

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Canada

#255651 May 15, 2013
lmao wrote:
<quoted text>Oh man u r facking stupid whoooooooo I am done reading this bullshat
So how is yelling inanities from the sidelines helping your twoof ones proxy sock?
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#255652 May 15, 2013
crucifiedguy wrote:
<quoted text>
It doesn't take a high resolution ,high frame rate camera with endless amounts of storage to film a jet aircraft crashing into a building. Any type of video camera will capture the bulk of the footage , it just has to be turned on with film in it.
Or if it is the common autoswitcher of the day, one would have to wait till it cycled through 4 to 16 cameras displaying one camera at a time, then there are motorized sweepers, since very few of these 85 Cameras were not located at the Pentagon no big shock.

And still we have 100's of witnesses that say the plane, many right down to impact and the AA markings and no reports of missiles what so ever.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#255653 May 15, 2013
Porkpie Hat wrote:
<quoted text>
Funny how many of us "govie shills" agree with that eh?
Yea, It is but it will go unnoticed as we must believe anything they tell us.(Quiet, shrill may have just become neutral critical thinker, don't let the word get out)
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#255654 May 15, 2013
Not a false flag, opportunism for an agenda does not require causing an event, it only requires taking advantage of an event, you know, like everyday politics.
Jaques wrote:
Are you equating "conspiracies" with fiction? You are misunderstanding the word.
The Iraq war was indeed a huge unforgivable lie and responsible for a much larger body count than the 9/11 false flag operation in isolation, but 9/11 lie set the stage for the Iraq lie and other big lies. Still, Iraq should by itself be enough for war crimes prosecutions of American and British officials. The fact that this hasn't happened is a good indication of how badly broken the Anglo-American "legal" systems are.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#255655 May 15, 2013
Insults Are Easier wrote:
<quoted text>
Alex Jones is grossly underpaid for the amount of good that he does in making people think critically about the world around them.
Actually he makes them Sheeple, explain what critical thought buys into this.

Israel microwaved a hundred thousand of its own children.
Your cell phones are watching you every moment.
The main source of meat in North Korea is executed prisoners.
SWAT teams are being taught that Christians are evil.
The government can control the weather.(All conspiracy guys believe this. What's the deal?)
The Mafia was started by Julius Ceaser's grandfather.
"Vaccines are killing our children--mainstream news." (Direct quote from InfoWars 12/27/01. No sources cited.)
SWAT team guys can't satisfy a woman.(InfoWars, 12/27/01. You never know how Alex Jones "knows" anything. Did the SWAT guys open up to Alex...or weas there some study done? Alex didn't say.)
Texas is run by the Masons.(Is that why Texas has the worst schools in the world?)
"Cell phones have been proven in hundreds of major studied to cause brain tumnors. There's no debating it." (Also no references or citations given. Alex says he sources everything, but he sources almost nothing he says. When you can find the source, you always discover that Alex has completely garbled it.)
Drinking fluoridated water causes your IQ to go down 10 points.(No documentation. No reference. No nothing.)
Devil-worshippers run the country.(But only angry white guys with IQ's in the mid-80's can perceive it!)
The government is afraid of smart people.(Explains why they leave the conspiracy guys alone.)
Cell phones cause brain tumors. "It's like proven."
The NRA are gun grabbers.(This shows you just how far to the right Alex is..)
There are government-run white slavery rings.(Alex didn't have time to say what government. He said there were lots of stories about this in the back of the newspaper. As usual, the statement is completely unsourced.)
Hitler blew up the Reichstag.(Blew it up? I thought he radio-controlled some planes into it. Or was it a missile...?)
Columbine was a government op.(Rule 1 for conspiracy nuts: anything you don't like is a government op. No proof required.)
Wal-Mart is a Defense Department front.(No proof required.)
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#255656 May 15, 2013
Bill Clinton is a CIA agent.(Better you should ask, who's NOT a CIA agent in Alex's comic-book fantasy.)
Illegal aliens get to go to the front in emergency rooms.(They should--for keeping our economy afloat year after year.)
They put mercury in your vaccines to brain-damage your children.(Hence the 9/11 Truth Movement.)
The Aztecs would take hallucinogenic enemas and cut their penises off.(Ah, the Sixties!)
Alex Jones has correctly predicted everything that has happened in the last 10 years.(Can you spell M-E-G-A-L-O-M-A-N-I-A? I thought you could...)
FEMA has a giant private army.(They just can't find it.)
Everyone is talking about world government.(No they're not. As used by normal people, the phrase "new world order" simply means a change in the world order. It has no implication of world government. Conspiracy nuts are stupid--what can I say?)
Vaccines have brain-damaged millions of babies.(Based on a misreading of CDC documents. Alex Jones misreads everything in order to keep his fantasies flying.)
You can't succeed in academe unless you agree that 80% of the population has to be killed off.(That's all those stuck-up academics talk about.)
Black helicopters are real.(You create your own reality, dig.)
Illegal immigrants get free tuition and discounts on their Twinkies. They always go to the front of the line in emergency rooms.(It's part of the takeover.)
There's a worldwide takeover going on, perceptible only to dumb white guys...
...but everyone is waking up.(Conspiracy nuts always say "everyone is waking up." It's part of their delusional system--like their imagined ability to predict the future.)
The ruling elite of the world worship Moloch.(The evidence for this is a blurry video of the show at Bohemian Grove. Alex thinks the Bohemian Grove show is real.)
The secret rulers of the world can live forever.(No one knows where this comes from or why Alex believes it. I think it came from a dream Alex had. As far as I know, the rulers of the world continue to die normally.)
The elite have openly announced that they want to kill 80% of us.(But, oddly, in all the world only Alex Jones noticed these startling admissions!)
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#255657 May 15, 2013
Dick Cheney writes papers saying terrorism isn't real.(Alex wouldn't say what papers. Though he talks incessantly about documentation, Alex Jones almost never says where he gets his information, much less why it's dependable.)
The U.S. Government went around Italy blowing up school busses full of children...& admitted it.(Twirling their moustaches & going "Nya-ha-ha-ha!" Alex hears a lot of admissions no one else can hear.)
The left-right political spectrum is bogus (This is the dominant paradigm of stupid people today! They never offer a shred of proof. It's just too self-evident to prove, when you're as smart as these guys.)
There are little wires in dollar bills that keep track of what you buy.(Somehow.)
Vicente Fox can morph into a green devil.(Alex says he saw him do it. Honest. This vision occurred when Fox visited Texas, c. 2003-4, & Alex bullhorned him.)
The Communist Chinese Army has taken over the Massachusetts Port Authority.(Maybe it's some kind of brain seizure with Alex.)
Noam Chomsky is a mongoloid idiot. Also an agent.
There are Illuminati symbols on Starbucks coffee cups.(The Illuminati leave clues visible only to angry white guys with IQ's in the mid-80's.)
Exits on tollroads are 50 miles apart.(It's a takeover opnly Alex Jones could see! Who woulda thought?)
Jacques Cousteau wanted to kill 80% of us.(Jacques, too? I wonder why he didn't live forever?)
Margaret Sanger gave & received awards from Hitler.(When the Nazis weren't burning her books.)
There are live AIDS viruses in the corn.(This means no sex with the corn.)
91% of Americans are Nazis.(Alex says anyone who favors gun control is a Nazi; 91% of Americans favor mandatory handgun registration; that's a lotta Nazis, Alex.)
The United Nations goes around Africa, sterilizing women at random (twirling their moustaches & going "Nya-ha-ha-haa!")
The Founding Fathers were basically stupid (they were Masons––but they didn't know about the secret conspiracy so obvious to Alex & his friends)
Masons can commit murder. They make a secret sign to the judges and are immediately set free. This has been solidly confirmed.
All throughout history, governments have always been Evil.(Bet you didn't know that. Like most of the Patriots, Alex is an anti-government bigot. He frequently poses as a historian, but no real historian subscribes to Alex Jones's bad comic book.)
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#255658 May 15, 2013
Power outages are government plots.
Illegal immigration is a government plot.
The counterculture is a government plot.
Vaccines are a you-know-what.
Thumbscanning is a government plot.
Environmentalism is a government plot.
The National Seatbelt Initiative is a bloody government plot.
Feminism is a government plot.
Tollroads are a gummint plot.
This web page is a government plot.
Your mother is a government plot.
The goddam drug culture is a government plot.(Alex Buzzkill Jones.)
Cell phones are a government plot.
Wal Mart is a government plot.(A Defense Department front. It's all out there in the open...but only Alex Jones can see it. Far out.)
Sports are a government plot...somehow.
Antidepressants are a government plot.(Better you should say "What's NOT a government plot?")
All domestic terror attacks are government plots.(Pulled off by the most incompetent administration in history, fooling everyone in the world except angry white guys with IQ's in the mid-80's.)
The bad guys plant clues in TV shows and tell you what they're going to do on TV.(Though only one man in the world can perceive these clues. Think of the burden this puts on Alex.)
The government brings in all the drugs.(All of them! Only Alex Jones knows this. No documentation. No nothing. Just another bad dream Alex mistook for news.)
Arnold Schwartzeneggar is a known Nazi.(Only Alex knows this. Someone alert the Kennedys.)
Arnold Schwartzeneggar is part of an Austrian plot to take over America.(Alex really has it in for Arnie. He has a web page devoted entirely to ad hominem attacks against the ex-terminator.)
Skull & Bones is part of an English plot to take over America.
The United Nations is part of a (very slow) plot to take over America.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#255659 May 15, 2013
***INTERMISSION***
Adjust your tin hats.

Children's cartoons are part of a government plot to brainwash us.(Alex Jones is immune. Conspiracy guys are always immune to the brainwashing they see everywhere. Nothing beats white-guy egotism!)
Organized religion is brainwashing us.(Doesn't Alex realize brainless people cannot brainwash?)
My cable show brainwashes you.(If that were true, people would be sending me money.)
The secret ruling elite of the world are putting up buildings that look like owls.(Only conspiracy people can see these owls, in case you were wondering. I wonder why they don't build pyramids with eyes on top of them.)
Most major police chiefs are CIA operatives.
Gloria Steinham is a CIA operative.
The voting-machine companies are openly run by the CIA.("Openly run by the CIA" sounds like an oxymoron to me.)
The Quakers are communists.(Er...I thought communists were atheists. Of course, right-wing loonies have no concept of what communism is.)
All of Clinton's cabinet were Jewish.(Alex is not anti-Semitic. I don't know why he said this. Another dream, I guess.)
People in Holland have tattoos saying "Don't Kill Me." (Evidently a tougher country than we thought.)
Lyndon Johnson had John Kennedy killed.(I guess JFK was stupid, choosing LBJ as his running mate like that. Conspiracy guys are stupid, so they think everybody is stupid.)
The UN has sold thousands of children into slavery & for snuff films.
Gays are actively recruiting in our schools.(Why do right-wing loonies always believe this?)
The government keeps "giant, honeycombed hives full of toddlers drugged on lithium" (twirling their moustaches & going "NYA-HAHAHAHA!" The government...not the toddlers.)
The Rothschilds funded Hitler.(Some of the Rothschilds were arrested by Hitler and ransomed back to their family; others escaped Nazi Germany with only their lives.)
People in Africa tear off their arms after receiving vaccinations.(But then, we've all done that.)
The government is spraying us with EVIL CHEMICALS contained in the contrails of planes (also poisoning themselves, I guess. Shows you how ruthless the elite are.)
The United Nations goes around Africa, sterilizing women at random (twirling their moustaches & saying "Nya-ha-ha-haa!")
Every soldier who died in any war since the Civil War was a chump (you thought they were heroes; turns out they were nothing but fools; how's THAT for patriotism?)
Antidepressants are a government plot to bum us out.
Mercury travels from Africa to Austin on the Jet Stream. That's why Austinites have so many allergies.
IQ's are going down.(IQ's are going up.)
The cancer rate is up.(Most cancer rates are down.)
During his inauguration, President Clinton openly gave the sign of Satan for all the world to see.(They all worship Moloch, don't forget. I don't know how we get to Satan from there...but Alex says so.)
Alex Jones is saving humankind with his cable TV show, radio shows, & tapes (available for purchase, by the way).
Bad people are deliberately putting cancer viruses, AIDS viruses, & mercury in our vaccines (twirling their moustaches & going "Nya-hahaha!").
9-11 was only the beginning; there are going to be lots of even bigger domestic attacks (six years and waiting on this incredibly wrong prediction).
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#255660 May 15, 2013
9-11 was only the beginning; there are going to be lots of even bigger domestic attacks (six years and waiting on this incredibly wrong prediction).
Most Americans believe the government was behind 9-11 (this is based on Alex's misreading of a Zogby poll; Alex misreads EVERYTHING)
They sacrifice babies at Bohemian Grove.(Try to imagine Richard Nixon sacrificing a baby. Or GWB. I guess Cheney would do it, perhaps inadvertently.)
They only hire people with IQ's below 100 to become police officers.(Like most "Patriots," Alex Jones is essentially a cop-hater. He will say anything bad about the police.)
Alex Jones has flawlessly predicted the future many times.(This is a delusion common to conspiracy guys. Here are some of Alex's bogus predictions.)

& finally...my personal favorite:

Alex Jones can predict the future, because he goes to the SECRET WEBSITES where the New World Order tells you EVERYTHING IT'S GOING TO DO!
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#255661 May 15, 2013
crucifiedguy wrote:
<quoted text>
This is a typical answer from someone wanting to project intellect but lacks the knowledge to provide it. How can you film the impact
without filming the seconds before it ?
If one read past the first few paragraphs one might find a clue.

Of the 13 remaining tapes, 12 "only showed the Pentagon after the impact of Flight 77."

These two video tapes included footage of post-crash Pentagon crime scene taken by DOD media pool photographers, and were obtained from Navy Rear Admiral Craig Quigley.

One (1) Betacam BCT-30G video cassette, labeled "1 of 2" & "early 6pm 9/11/01"
One (1) Betacam BCT-30G video cassette, labeled "2 of 2" & "early pm 9/11/01"

Also received at the Washington Field Office Command Post:

One (1) VHS video cassette - witness interviews near Pentagon after the attack
One (1) VHS video cassette, labeled "9/11/2001" - footage of post Pentagon crime scene, obtained from Chief Mastin, Prince William County
One (1) TDK Hi8 MP 120 video casette, wrapped in Pentagon map and labeled on back "1/29/1952 Mohan Shresesa 8/2/2018 Todoroki Japan 9/17/01 3:00 hr Fern/So. Rotary" - Home video taken from car, dated 9/17/2001,showing post-crash Pentagon crime scene very briefly from road (~10 seconds)
One (1) FujiFilm DP121 video cassette, labeled "WJLA-TV" - miscellaneous footage from news reporter, dated 9/18/2001
One (1) Sony MP120 8mm video cassette - Home video, DC sightseeing
One (1) TDK HG Ultimate TC-30 video cassette - Home video, unknown date, showing brief footage of Pentagon (not crash site)
One (1) Maxell DVM60SE mini digital video cassette - Home video, dated 9/17/2001, showing brief footage of Pentagon (not crash site)
One (1) Sony Hi8 video cassette - Home video obtained by DPS on 9/11/2001 showing ~6 seconds of Pentagon footage (not crash site)
One (1) TDK Hi8 MP 120 video cassette - Home video obtained by DPS on 9/21/2001, showing post-crash Pentagon crime scene
One (1) JVC MP120 8mm video cassette - Home video obtained by DPS on 9/21/2001, showing brief footage of Pentagon (not crash site)
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#255662 May 15, 2013
crucifiedguy wrote:
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Can you provide the methodology used to determine which "witnesses " statements were admissible and how they developed such methodology?
Certainly there is a rule of the courts specifying the requirements of credibility. Should be easy for you since you work for the prosecution side of our judicial system.
Actually I work on the other side, and as far as admissibility anything goes that could sway a juror, credibility does not come into play in admissibility, it comes into play during cross.

Not that that relates to any talking point since we are not talking about a trial.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#255663 May 15, 2013
Insults Are Easier wrote:
<quoted text>
How many people saw the plane fly into the Pentagon? Hundreds, reduced to dozens,
Could you list the dozens out of hundreds and explain what methodology you used to eliminate the majority of the witnesses?

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Canada

#255664 May 15, 2013
crucifiedguy wrote:
<quoted text>It doesn't take a high resolution ,high frame rate camera with endless amounts of storage to film a jet aircraft crashing into a building. Any type of video camera will capture the bulk of the footage , it just has to be turned on with film in it. Which I believe all 12 cameras would positively been in this very operational state since they caught the "after" impact footage.
How many of the other 63 cameras do you think started filming "after" the impact? Position of these are not the question , timing is all I would need for conformation.

Hows the weather up there? Been fu*kin beautiful down here ,but in a couple of weeks It'll be hot as hell . I won't mind though cause next week I leave for corpus christi and I'll be sitting by the pool or on Padre Island sipping a cool beverage,smoking my herb and enjoying the scantly clad women .Only draw back is I have to work at least 2 or 3 hours a day to warrant a paycheck. lol!!
You can imagine and wish all you want, the reality is being a no-planer with regards to the Pentagon is every bit as insane as being a no-planer wrt the towers.

It was witnessed by 100's of real life human beings.

Responders witnessed the wreckage up close.

There were pieces of a plane with the correct colour scheme to flt 77.

Yet here we have a case of twoofers reverse engineering a conclusion by ignoring the evidence and claiming what doesn't exist, should and therefore all available evidence is false.

The plane was moving at about 650 ft/sec. The typical CCTV records at about 4-5 frames/second. CCTV cameras are designed to capture events within a fairly limited radius.

So what do you really expect to see?

And why would multiple cameras be pointed in the general direction of a part of the pentagon that had no point of entry/exit?

Weather here has been great. Went camping in Kananaskis last weekend and actually had to turn on the ac during the day!
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#255665 May 15, 2013
Porkpie Hat wrote:
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You can imagine and wish all you want, the reality is being a no-planer with regards to the Pentagon is every bit as insane as being a no-planer wrt the towers.
How about the single plane theory?

http://media.theonion.com/images/articles/art...

http://www.theonion.com/articles/new-oliver-s...

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