Was 9/11 a conspiracy??

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Governor Ventura confronted by the CIA

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

[Alexis]

WasteWater wrote:

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I just saw a show about building demolitions. Concrete structures are blown and collapsed. Steel frame structures cannot be collapsed that way. Too bad. Twoofers lose again. Tell you armchair engineers and architects to go work in the real world and get back to us later after they get some experience in the field...

You just saw a show? And that makes you, what?

An arm chair expert? And a very obtuse one.

[Andropov]

With regard to Oklahoma City bombing, this is from the conclusion of the bomb damage assessment conducted by Air Force Brigadier General Benton Partin, an expert in armaments:

"CONCLUSION: The Murrah Federal Building was not destroyed by one sole truck bomb. The major factor in its destruction appears to have been detonation of explosives carefully placed at four critical junctures on supporting columns within the building.

The only possible reinforced concrete structural failure solely attributable to the truck bomb was the stripping out of the ceilings of the first and second floors in the "pit" area behind columns B4 and By. Even this may have been caused by a demolition charge at column B3.

It is truly unfortunate that a separate and independent bomb damage assessment was not made during the cleanup__before the building was demolished on May 23 and hundreds of truck loads of debris were hauled away, smashed down, and covered with dirt behind a security fence."

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This is in agreement with a Blast Effects Study conducted at the Armament Directorate, Wright Laboratory at Eglin Air Force Base. Here is a quote from the conclusion:

"the EBES concludes:

Due to these conditions, it is impossible to ascribe the damage
that occurred on April 19, 1995 to a single truck bomb containing
4,800 lbs. of ANFO. In fact, the maximum predicted damage to the
floor panels of the Murrah Federal Building is equal to
approximately 1% of the total floor area of the building.
Furthermore, due to the lack of symmetrical damage pattern at the
Murrah Building, it would be inconsistent with the results of the
ETS test [number] one to state that all of the damage to the Murrah
Building is the result of the truck bomb.

The damage to the Murrah Federal Building is consistent with damage
resulting from mechanically coupled devices placed locally within
the structure....

It must be concluded that the damage at the Murrah Federal Building
is not the result of the truck bomb itself, but rather due to other
factors such as locally placed charges within the building
itself.... The procedures used to cause the damage to the Murrah
Building are therefore more involved and complex than simply
parking a truck and leaving...."

[YellowPissrealit y]

do you have a brother named Hans ???

Andropov wrote:

With regard to Oklahoma City bombing, this is from the conclusion of the bomb damage assessment conducted by Air Force Brigadier General Benton Partin, an expert in armaments:
"CONCLUSION: The Murrah Federal Building was not destroyed by one sole truck bomb. The major factor in its destruction appears to have been detonation of explosives carefully placed at four critical junctures on supporting columns within the building.
The only possible reinforced concrete structural failure solely attributable to the truck bomb was the stripping out of the ceilings of the first and second floors in the "pit" area behind columns B4 and By. Even this may have been caused by a demolition charge at column B3.
It is truly unfortunate that a separate and independent bomb damage assessment was not made during the cleanup__before the building was demolished on May 23 and hundreds of truck loads of debris were hauled away, smashed down, and covered with dirt behind a security fence."
#######
This is in agreement with a Blast Effects Study conducted at the Armament Directorate, Wright Laboratory at Eglin Air Force Base. Here is a quote from the conclusion:
"the EBES concludes:
Due to these conditions, it is impossible to ascribe the damage
that occurred on April 19, 1995 to a single truck bomb containing
4,800 lbs. of ANFO. In fact, the maximum predicted damage to the
floor panels of the Murrah Federal Building is equal to
approximately 1% of the total floor area of the building.
Furthermore, due to the lack of symmetrical damage pattern at the
Murrah Building, it would be inconsistent with the results of the
ETS test [number] one to state that all of the damage to the Murrah
Building is the result of the truck bomb.
The damage to the Murrah Federal Building is consistent with damage
resulting from mechanically coupled devices placed locally within
the structure....
It must be concluded that the damage at the Murrah Federal Building
is not the result of the truck bomb itself, but rather due to other
factors such as locally placed charges within the building
itself.... The procedures used to cause the damage to the Murrah
Building are therefore more involved and complex than simply
parking a truck and leaving...."

[Jessie]

Andropov wrote:

With regard to Oklahoma City bombing, this is from the conclusion of the bomb damage assessment conducted by Air Force Brigadier General Benton Partin, an expert in armaments:
"CONCLUSION: The Murrah Federal Building was not destroyed by one sole truck bomb. The major factor in its destruction appears to have been detonation of explosives carefully placed at four critical junctures on supporting columns within the building.
The only possible reinforced concrete structural failure solely attributable to the truck bomb was the stripping out of the ceilings of the first and second floors in the "pit" area behind columns B4 and By. Even this may have been caused by a demolition charge at column B3.
It is truly unfortunate that a separate and independent bomb damage assessment was not made during the cleanup__before the building was demolished on May 23 and hundreds of truck loads of debris were hauled away, smashed down, and covered with dirt behind a security fence."
#######
This is in agreement with a Blast Effects Study conducted at the Armament Directorate, Wright Laboratory at Eglin Air Force Base. Here is a quote from the conclusion:
"the EBES concludes:
Due to these conditions, it is impossible to ascribe the damage
that occurred on April 19, 1995 to a single truck bomb containing
4,800 lbs. of ANFO. In fact, the maximum predicted damage to the
floor panels of the Murrah Federal Building is equal to
approximately 1% of the total floor area of the building.
Furthermore, due to the lack of symmetrical damage pattern at the
Murrah Building, it would be inconsistent with the results of the
ETS test [number] one to state that all of the damage to the Murrah
Building is the result of the truck bomb.
The damage to the Murrah Federal Building is consistent with damage
resulting from mechanically coupled devices placed locally within
the structure....
It must be concluded that the damage at the Murrah Federal Building
is not the result of the truck bomb itself, but rather due to other
factors such as locally placed charges within the building
itself.... The procedures used to cause the damage to the Murrah
Building are therefore more involved and complex than simply
parking a truck and leaving...."

That's correct. The Murrah Federal Building was destroyed by explosives INSIDE the building. Who has the level of access to a federal building necessary to place explosives at "critical junctures" AND ALSO derail forensic investigations by federal agencies and destroy evidence in federal custody?

Well, the feds do, for one.

Looks like Oklahoma City bombing was just another in the false flag attack pattern that also includes the September 11 attack.

[YellowPissrealit y]

Talking to yourself again ??

Jessie wrote:

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That's correct. The Murrah Federal Building was destroyed by explosives INSIDE the building. Who has the level of access to a federal building necessary to place explosives at "critical junctures" AND ALSO derail forensic investigations by federal agencies and destroy evidence in federal custody?
Well, the feds do, for one.
Looks like Oklahoma City bombing was just another in the false flag attack pattern that also includes the September 11 attack.

[Henrik]

Jessie wrote:

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That's correct. The Murrah Federal Building was destroyed by explosives INSIDE the building. Who has the level of access to a federal building necessary to place explosives at "critical junctures" AND ALSO derail forensic investigations by federal agencies and destroy evidence in federal custody?
Well, the feds do, for one.
Looks like Oklahoma City bombing was just another in the false flag attack pattern that also includes the September 11 attack.

The American government is inventing enemies to insure profits for the military industrial complex. Among many others, the American people are also victims.

[WasteWater]

Alexis wrote:

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You just saw a show? And that makes you, what?
An arm chair expert? And a very obtuse one.

I saw a show where expert demolition people demonstrated what they do and how it is done. Steel frame buildings are either toppled or dismantled. They are never collapsed the same way a reinforced concrete building is done. That makes the claims of demolition a fallacy.

[WasteWater]

Andropov wrote:

With regard to Oklahoma City bombing, this is from the conclusion of the bomb damage assessment conducted by Air Force Brigadier General Benton Partin, an expert in armaments:
"CONCLUSION: The Murrah Federal Building was not destroyed by one sole truck bomb. The major factor in its destruction appears to have been detonation of explosives carefully placed at four critical junctures on supporting columns within the building.
The only possible reinforced concrete structural failure solely attributable to the truck bomb was the stripping out of the ceilings of the first and second floors in the "pit" area behind columns B4 and By. Even this may have been caused by a demolition charge at column B3.
It is truly unfortunate that a separate and independent bomb damage assessment was not made during the cleanup__before the building was demolished on May 23 and hundreds of truck loads of debris were hauled away, smashed down, and covered with dirt behind a security fence."
#######
This is in agreement with a Blast Effects Study conducted at the Armament Directorate, Wright Laboratory at Eglin Air Force Base. Here is a quote from the conclusion:
"the EBES concludes:
Due to these conditions, it is impossible to ascribe the damage
that occurred on April 19, 1995 to a single truck bomb containing
4,800 lbs. of ANFO. In fact, the maximum predicted damage to the
floor panels of the Murrah Federal Building is equal to
approximately 1% of the total floor area of the building.
Furthermore, due to the lack of symmetrical damage pattern at the
Murrah Building, it would be inconsistent with the results of the
ETS test [number] one to state that all of the damage to the Murrah
Building is the result of the truck bomb.
The damage to the Murrah Federal Building is consistent with damage
resulting from mechanically coupled devices placed locally within
the structure....
It must be concluded that the damage at the Murrah Federal Building
is not the result of the truck bomb itself, but rather due to other
factors such as locally placed charges within the building
itself.... The procedures used to cause the damage to the Murrah
Building are therefore more involved and complex than simply
parking a truck and leaving...."

Nonsense.

[WasteWater]

Andropov wrote:

With regard to Oklahoma City bombing, this is from the conclusion of the bomb damage assessment conducted by Air Force Brigadier General Benton Partin, an expert in armaments:
"CONCLUSION: The Murrah Federal Building was not destroyed by one sole truck bomb. The major factor in its destruction appears to have been detonation of explosives carefully placed at four critical junctures on supporting columns within the building.
The only possible reinforced concrete structural failure solely attributable to the truck bomb was the stripping out of the ceilings of the first and second floors in the "pit" area behind columns B4 and By. Even this may have been caused by a demolition charge at column B3.
It is truly unfortunate that a separate and independent bomb damage assessment was not made during the cleanup__before the building was demolished on May 23 and hundreds of truck loads of debris were hauled away, smashed down, and covered with dirt behind a security fence."
#######
This is in agreement with a Blast Effects Study conducted at the Armament Directorate, Wright Laboratory at Eglin Air Force Base. Here is a quote from the conclusion:
"the EBES concludes:
Due to these conditions, it is impossible to ascribe the damage
that occurred on April 19, 1995 to a single truck bomb containing
4,800 lbs. of ANFO. In fact, the maximum predicted damage to the
floor panels of the Murrah Federal Building is equal to
approximately 1% of the total floor area of the building.
Furthermore, due to the lack of symmetrical damage pattern at the
Murrah Building, it would be inconsistent with the results of the
ETS test [number] one to state that all of the damage to the Murrah
Building is the result of the truck bomb.
The damage to the Murrah Federal Building is consistent with damage
resulting from mechanically coupled devices placed locally within
the structure....
It must be concluded that the damage at the Murrah Federal Building
is not the result of the truck bomb itself, but rather due to other
factors such as locally placed charges within the building
itself.... The procedures used to cause the damage to the Murrah
Building are therefore more involved and complex than simply
parking a truck and leaving...."

So the government goes around blowing up buildings. What was accomplished by the Oklahoma bombing? This makes no sense. It the general is spouting such nonsense, then it is clear he has lost his mind.

[WasteWater]

Henrik wrote:

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The American government is inventing enemies to insure profits for the military industrial complex. Among many others, the American people are also victims.

How would the Oklahoma City bombing accomplish such a goal?

[Charlie Sheen]

Jessie wrote:

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That's correct. The Murrah Federal Building was destroyed by explosives INSIDE the building. Who has the level of access to a federal building necessary to place explosives at "critical junctures" AND ALSO derail forensic investigations by federal agencies and destroy evidence in federal custody?
Well, the feds do, for one.
Looks like Oklahoma City bombing was just another in the false flag attack pattern that also includes the September 11 attack.

That's odd, after that they did a test via the "offical story" and the results were the same.

OH and .... Audio in his own words.

Hear McVeigh's confession

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/36633900/

[Charlie Sheen]

Andropov wrote:

With regard to Oklahoma City bombing, this is from the conclusion of the bomb damage assessment conducted by Air Force Brigadier General Benton Partin, an expert in armaments:

Just another loon that thinks the only bad guy in the whole wide world is the US Government (But oddly did not mind getting paid by them for 31 years)

The 'Two-Bomb' General
Benton Partin, 74

Patriot ideologues have long scoffed at the work of scholars and specialists, but like conspiracy theorists everywhere, they love a credentialed expert who is on their side. Such was the case with retired Brig. Gen. Benton Partin, a 31-year Air Force veteran who provided Patriots with their core theory about the Oklahoma bombing.

In press conferences, at Patriot gatherings and in letters to politicians, Partin expounded on his idea that the truck bomb driven by Timothy McVeigh "could not possibly" have destroyed the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building by itself. Claiming long experience in weapons design, Partin — who retired in 1979 — said photographs of the damage convinced him there were other bombs inside the building.

Although Partin didn't say so, other Patriots expanded on this theory to accuse the government of bombing its own building to create an excuse for passing draconian anti-terrorism legislation.

Ultimately, Partin became a proponent of a whole pantheon of conspiracy theories. He claimed that federal agents used explosives to breach the Davidian compound in Waco — a charge for which there is no evidence.

He produced a hyper-conspiratorial video entitled, "Globalism: The Program." And, never one to pass up a possible plot, he said TWA Flight 800 was hit by a surface-to-air missile. Partin did finally present his Oklahoma bomb theory to a grand jury, WHICH ROUNDLY REJECTED THE CONCEPT.

[Gerhard]

WasteWater wrote:

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So the government goes around blowing up buildings. What was accomplished by the Oklahoma bombing? This makes no sense. It the general is spouting such nonsense, then it is clear he has lost his mind.

Here's an interesting article in Vanity Fair on the topic:

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2...

[Dr_Zorderz]

WasteWater wrote:

YAWN.... BORING thread.

Yeah it's a complete waste of your time. Go work some other anonymous forum where you can spread your lies and dis-information.
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Do You Believe In Magic ?
.
Obviously You Do !

[Observer]

Charlie Sheen wrote:

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Just another loon that thinks the only bad guy in the whole wide world is the US Government (But oddly did not mind getting paid by them for 31 years)
The 'Two-Bomb' General
Benton Partin, 74
....

Aren't you going to ridicule all the "loons" at Eglin Air Force Base that conducted the blast effects studies and came to the same conclusion (based on ACTUAL EXPERIMENTS AND DATA!) as Brigadier General Partin?

According to his curriculum vitae, General Partin held executive, scientific and technical assignments directing organizations engaged in research, development, testing, analysis, requirements generation and acquisition management of weapons systems for the US Air Force, from laboratory to the Office of the Secretary of Defense? Is the Air Force in the habit of assigning "loons" the responsibility of testing and acquiring weapons systems?

[Machon]

Charlie Sheen wrote:

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That's odd, after that they did a test via the "offical story" and the results were the same.
OH and .... Audio in his own words.
Hear McVeigh's confession
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/36633900/

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/660197443/...

"NICHOLS SAYS BOMBING WAS FBI OP:
DETAILED CONFESSION FILED IN (SALT LAKE CITY) ABOUT OKLAHOMA CITY PLOT

The only surviving convicted criminal in the April 19, 1995, bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City is saying his co-conspirator, Timothy McVeigh, told him he was taking orders from a top FBI official in orchestrating the bombing.

A declaration from Terry Lynn Nichols, filed in U.S. District Court in Salt Lake City, has proven to be one of the most detailed confessions by Nichols to date about his involvement in the bombing as well as the involvement of others...

The declaration was filed as part of Salt Lake City attorney Jesse Trentadue's pending wrongful death suit against the government for the death of his brother in a federal corrections facility in Oklahoma City. Trentadue claims his brother was killed during an interrogation by FBI agents when agents mistook his brother for a suspect in the Oklahoma City bombing investigation.

The most shocking allegation in the 19-page signed declaration is Nichols' assertion that the whole bombing plot was an FBI operation and that McVeigh let slip during a bout of anger that he was taking instruction from former FBI official Larry Potts.

Potts was no stranger to anti-government confrontations, having been the lead FBI agent at Ruby Ridge in 1992, which led to the shooting death of Vicki Weaver, the wife of separatist Randy Weaver. Potts also was reportedly involved in the 51-day siege of the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas in 1993, which resulted in a fire that killed 81 Branch Davidian followers.

Potts retired from the FBI under intense pressure and criticism for the cover-up of an order to allow agents to shoot anyone seen leaving the Weaver cabin at Ruby Ridge.

When contacted, the FBI's main office in Washington, D.C., said it could not provide immediate comment on Nichols' claims Tuesday.

Nichols claims that, in December 1992, McVeigh told him that "while he was serving in the U.S. Army, he had been recruited to carry out undercover missions."

etc.

[Bond]

Charlie Sheen wrote:

blah, blah, blah...

Partin did finally present his Oklahoma bomb theory to a grand jury, WHICH ROUNDLY REJECTED THE CONCEPT.

The truth about the Oklahoma Grand Jury is that it was manipulated. For example, Hoppy Heidelberg was a member of the Grand Jury, but he was kicked off because he was protesting the exclusion of critical evidence.

Heidelberg has come to the conclusion that the government was involved in the bombing.

www.youtube.com/watch...

[WasteWater]

Gerhard wrote:

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Here's an interesting article in Vanity Fair on the topic:
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2...

I don't do links. If you have something to say then say it.

[WasteWater]

Jessie wrote:

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That's correct. The Murrah Federal Building was destroyed by explosives INSIDE the building. Who has the level of access to a federal building necessary to place explosives at "critical junctures" AND ALSO derail forensic investigations by federal agencies and destroy evidence in federal custody?
Well, the feds do, for one.
Looks like Oklahoma City bombing was just another in the false flag attack pattern that also includes the September 11 attack.

Completely nuts. What reason would there be to do such a thing?