Was 9/11 a conspiracy??

Created by djhixx on Oct 13, 2007

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well, im not sure

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Olds, Canada

#246960 Nov 22, 2012
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
In every post you make you say you prove somebody wrong.
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I am calling you a charlatan. There is definitely something else going on when you say you are always right and you can "prove" everybody else is always wrong. It's called mental illness. And mu shu you got it bad.
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How bout a link to an explanation of increasing momentum directly into the line of most resistance. 110 stories in 10 seconds. The pile of debris did not contain the cubic footage of what made up the building. That is one reason they took it all away so fast and didn't let any real investigator study it in a forensic manner, relative to all the other debris material. A lot of original markings as to where it all went during construction was still visible.
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Of course the bwunkers will say why would they need to investigate? They knew what happened. etc
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No need to know for sure.
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Jet Fuel ha ha ha ha ha ha ha h
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That's A Good One huh eh !
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Jet Fuel ha ha ha ha ah
Sorry I don't have time for your idiocy today elevator boy-sheep.

BTW, haven't you claimed the buildings were turned to dust ala Judy Would?

Hey, you've debunked your self today!

Great job moron!

Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

Oh elevator boy-sheep!

(20 pilots?)

“Truth is unthinkable.”

Since: May 12

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#246961 Nov 22, 2012
Porkpie Hat wrote:
<quoted text>I'll post links and more clarity later but yes, they did have the chance to visually inspect all the steel. This was done at ground zero as well as Fresh Kills.

The article you've linked does state some fire scientists have said they feel more steel should have kept for EXAMINATION. It doesn't clarify who it was but my gut says Dr. James Quintiere as he's on record making very similar statements and his conclusion was that the collapses would have happened regardless of structure damage and SFRM removal at impact.

And your constant harping about testing for explosives is ridiculous. Even if you were correct about steel being shipped off to China right after the attacks, no evidence for explosive use has ever come forward and the only ones complaining are twoofers.
And btw, your own link states some steel was shipped to China but the majority never left the US so that's yet another myth you should re-think.

Insults Are Easier wrote, "<quoted text>Look, the basic concept is this; observation by witnesses was overlooked by the investigation in favor of a predetermined conclusion, that the aircraft alone brought down the twin towers. That investigation went on to be unable to physically recreate the trusses to fail under heat and even after doubling the load, and had to settle on computer simulations with hidden parameters to make it appear to the public that they provided a scientific investigation."

That the basic concept according to you.

May I ask what your technical background is to make such a determination?

Witnesses reports of secondary explosions and molten steel could be files under "not important to a real investigation" since these types of reports are common in large fires.

Now IF seismology reports had concluded explosions on scale of those used in cd's had taken place it would require further investigation. IF we could hear evenly timed explosions at the time of collapse in the many videos, then it would require further investigation.

Nothing points to the use of explosives and your argument is akin to a coroner examining a body for knife wounds because a bloody knife was found near the body, then turning around and claiming he was wrong because he didn't also examine the body for gun shots or tire tracks.

The signatures for explosives would be everywhere if they were used, yet all we have is a handful of people demanding it should have been done because witnesses made reports that are wholly consistent with many large scale fires.

Regarding the fire tests, this again is just a case of twoofers being spoon fed a load of crap and not having a clue if it's true or relevant.

The tests weren't conducted to induce failure of a specific assembly, but to see how that assembly behaved under certain conditions. The fact that it didn't fail in isolation means nothing to how it's behavior affected structural stability under real world conditions.

As sheen stated the other day, the amount of sag measured would have had severe implications on the structural integrity due to things like snapping bolts/welds and forces exerted on the perimeter and core columns.

I suggest you break down and read the sections of the NIST report dealing with these tests in order to understand their relevance rather than allowing some charlatan to do it for you.

Lots more to address/say but no time ATM.
If they inspected all the steel, then why does NIST engineer John Gross deny the presence of it?

http://youtu.be/3SLIzSCt_cg

Pictures clearly show it and witnesses clearly reported it.

Ive read NISTs reports, tell me where NIST explains the molten steel and concrete fused clumps found at WTC.

Happy Thanksgiving.

Insults Are Easier
Force Majeure

Sweden

#246963 Nov 22, 2012
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
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The reporter even says it was explosions but we know better huh !
We certainly do.
Force Majeure

Sweden

#246964 Nov 22, 2012
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
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Listen carefully, you can hear the deep rumbling sounds from the WTC across the river of the dumpsters being emptied.
Hey man! That's what Porkie Shat says and if you can't believe her who can you believe?

Since: Aug 11

Santa Cruz, CA

#246965 Nov 23, 2012
Say the Truth wrote:
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Of course, Bush is well recognized for his precision in speaking.
Damn. He couldn't even get the fact right. We know he spoke like a jackass, that's a given but the facts? The Dude drank too long. No brain cells. No wonder so many defuses voted for him.
Force Majeure

Sweden

#246966 Nov 23, 2012
WasteWater wrote:
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..... No wonder so many defuses voted for him.
According to the film "Fahrenheit 9/11" there were a lot of "dead and buried" people who voted for him, "unelligilable voters" who voted for him, and some who voted "twice"!

Since: Aug 11

Santa Cruz, CA

#246967 Nov 23, 2012
Force Majeure wrote:
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According to the film "Fahrenheit 9/11" there were a lot of "dead and buried" people who voted for him, "unelligilable voters" who voted for him, and some who voted "twice"!
I don't know anything about that, but I do know that many brain-dead voters voted for him.
Force Majeure

Sweden

#246968 Nov 23, 2012
WasteWater wrote:
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..... many brain-dead voters voted for him.
Did I forget to mention them? Sorry.

Since: Aug 11

Santa Cruz, CA

#246969 Nov 23, 2012
Check these two out.

How about pyroclastic flows and burned cars at ground level?

&fe ature=related

How about television footage being doctored?

https://www.youtube.com/watch...

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Edmonton, Canada

#246972 Nov 23, 2012
Insults Are Easier wrote:
<quoted text>If they inspected all the steel, then why does NIST engineer John Gross deny the presence of it?

http://youtu.be/3SLIzSCt_cg

Pictures clearly show it and witnesses clearly reported it.

Ive read NISTs reports, tell me where NIST explains the molten steel and concrete fused clumps found at WTC.

Happy Thanksgiving.

Insults Are Easier
Well it's funny you're even asking that since the photos in your vid don't show molten steel, red hot but not molten.

It could be that he's never seen those particular videos since the comments really are scientifically uninteresting and have no real relevance to the collapses because we're talking about something witnessed well after the collapses had already occurred.

Like it or not, you're still stuck with nothing but a talking point that you've been told is relevant but there's never been any qualification for.

Explosives wouldn't explain molten steel at the time of collapse or weeks after. Thermite may explain molten steel at the time of collapse, but not weeks after since it's reaction will continue until all reactants are consumed.

One could argue that so much thermite was used that it lasted for weeks but logic simply doesn't agree since the shear volume of materials would have been in hundreds of tons and surely noted by many.

Plus, if these masterminds were so unsure of causing collapse that such volume was necessary, don't you think they would have found some other method to remove uncertainty?

Regarding the meteor, it was never molten and there's pics of it that clearly confirm that , I'll again, find them later.

Now as I sit at my desk finishing my morning coffee, I have in front of me an NDE request form for PMI (positive material identification) of some valves we received yesterday that have Chinese materials.

This is the standard method of confirming the chemical content of a material and since our customer has specified they'll only accept Chinese materials if this is done, it's required we do it.

The relevance of that is, we know NIST had many of these tests done to confirm steel grades and acceptability.

The reality is that, like my coroner analogy, it would be impossible to miss the chemical signature of explosives the tests result in chemical composition and even I would know something was amiss if the chemistry was so out of whack that it didn't reflect a similarity to the original material test reports and the ASME chemical requirements for that grade of carbon steel.

Happy thanksgiving to yourself and all the Americans out there.

Please don't drink and drive and have a great holiday!

Since: Sep 11

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#246973 Nov 23, 2012
Porkpie Hat wrote:
<quoted text>
Well it's funny you're even asking that since the photos in your vid don't show molten steel, red hot but not molten.
"One could argue that so much thermite was used that it lasted for weeks but logic simply doesn't agree since the shear volume of materials would have been in hundreds of tons and surely noted by many."

The temperature wasn't near high enough to argue thermite.
Not even close, as far away as a whole 1/4th the way to the temperature of a thermite reaction.
But it is consistent with something else's temperature,
the coals of a fire.

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Edmonton, Canada

#246974 Nov 23, 2012
_Abraxas_ wrote:
<quoted text>"One could argue that so much thermite was used that it lasted for weeks but logic simply doesn't agree since the shear volume of materials would have been in hundreds of tons and surely noted by many."

The temperature wasn't near high enough to argue thermite.
Not even close, as far away as a whole 1/4th the way to the temperature of a thermite reaction.
But it is consistent with something else's temperature,
the coals of a fire.
I agree, the arguments against the use of thermite are many.

There's also the lack of reports or visual clues on video record for bright white light from alleged thermite use.

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#246975 Nov 23, 2012
Porkpie Hat wrote:
Here's the links I promised earlier.
First the claim that investigators weren't given clearance to inspect everything was ,at best, an over statement. At ground zero there were no doubt instances where areas were either too dangerous for inspectors to work or areas where workers were still looking for remains.
This is supported by the agency (ASCE) that was allegedly not given the right to examine what they wanted.
"There has been some concern expressed by others that the work of the team
has been hampered because debris was removed from the site and has subsequently
been processed for recycling. This is not the case. The team has had full access to the
scrap yards and to the site and has been able to obtain numerous samples."
http://tinyurl.com/ad24aac
The next misnomer still repeated by twoofers was that the steel wasn't inspected before shipping to "China".
"Phillips and Jordan officially took over management of the Staten Island Landfill Operation on October 2nd. At that time there were about 137,000 tons of debris already stockpiled at the site that had not been inspected. That number grew to around 170,000 tons by the third week of October. By the eighth of November, under P&Jís management, the number was down to less then 1,400 tons."
http://tinyurl.com/b35h7yh
Obviously material was being inspected and some of the reports claiming otherwise were made well before much of the material had even been recovered from ground zero. The fact remains that steel was being inspected at ground zero and at the land fill sites as it was being removed.
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YAWN !
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More fallacious claims by the ego-maniacal charlatan who claims to be Galileo.
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&fe ature=plcp
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http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Last time I looked you were neither a scientist nor a seeker of truth and capable of NEW theories about anything much less risking your very life in pursuit of debwunking of your governments official theories of how the world really works.
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Something you know very little about.
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As witnessed by this video of your charades on this forum.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Jet Fuel ha ha ha ha ha ha
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That's A Funny One huh eh !

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#246976 Nov 23, 2012
mu shu let's see, something that was witnessed well after the collapse has nothing to do with the collapse, therefore it is irrelevant.
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How about something that was never witnessed having everything to do with the collapse and is completely relevant.
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Well which is it Galileo,(the bright young upstart scientist busily debunking the official government fairy tale of his day)?
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Jet Fuel ha ha ha ah ha ah
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Is Not Relevant But It is Funny huh eh !

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#246977 Nov 23, 2012
Access Restrictions
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The Closure of Ground Zero to Investigators
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While the steel was being removed from the site of the three largest and most mysterious structural failures in history, even the team FEMA had assembled to investigate the failures -- the Building Performance Assessment Team (BPAT)-- was denied access to the evidence. 1
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The Science Committee of the House of Representatives later identified several aspects of the FEMA-controlled operation that prevented the conduct of an adquate investigation: 2
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The BPAT did not control the steel. "The lack of authority of investigators to impound pieces of steel for investigation before they were recycled led to the loss of important pieces of evidence."
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FEMA required BPAT members to sign confidentiality agreements that "frustrated the efforts of independent researchers to understand the collapse."
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The BPAT was not granted access to "pertinent building documents."
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"The BPAT team does not plan, nor does it have sufficient funding, to fully analyze the structural data it collected to determine the reasons for the collapse of the WTC buildings."
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Gene Corley complained to the Committee that the Port Authority refused to give his investigators copies of the Towers' blueprints until he signed a wavier that the plans would not be used in a lawsuit against the agency. 3
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Bill Manning Condemns the "Half-Baked Farce"
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Editor of Fire Engineering Magazine Bill Manning highlighted concerns among the firefighting community over the barring of investigators from the crime scene:
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Fire Engineering has good reason to believe that the "official investigation" blessed by FEMA and run by the American Society of Civil Engineers is a half-baked farce that may already have been commandeered by political forces whose primary interests, to put it mildly, lie far afield of full disclosure.
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Except for the marginal benefit obtained from a three-day, visual walk-through of evidence sites conducted by ASCE investigation committee members- described by one close source as a "tourist trip"-no one's checking the evidence for anything. 4
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Manning also emphatically condemned the destruction of structural steel, declaring "The destruction and removal of evidence must stop immediately." Manning contrasted the operation to past disasters:
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Did they throw away the locked doors from the Triangle Shirtwaist Fire? Did they throw away the gas can used at the Happyland Social Club Fire?.
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Did they cast aside the pressure-regulating valves at the Meridian Plaza Fire? Of course not.
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But essentially, that's what they're doing at the World Trade Center.
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Manning indicated that the destruction of the steel was illegal, based on his review of the national standard for fire investigation, NFPA 921, which provides no exemption to the requirement that evidence be saved in cases of fires in buildings over 10 stories tall.
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http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/groundzero/re...
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Refute that Galileo you scum sucking mu shu pork pig haq
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Jet Fuel ha ha ha ha
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That's A Good One huh eh !

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

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#246978 Nov 23, 2012
Calls for an independent investigation even came from politicians such as Senator Charles E. Schumer and Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton..
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Experts complained that the volunteer investigators selected by FEMA lacked financial support, staff support, and subpoena power. 5

No Photographs!

On September 26th, then-Mayor Rudolph Giuliani banned photographs of Ground Zero. 6 An account by an anonymous photographer (AP), who took the photographs at the end of the Ground Zero photographs page, describes the treatment of this citizen investigator.
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At the end of this return walk a NYC police officer asked to be shown authorization for taking photographs.
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AP said there was none.
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The officer asked how access to the site was gained. AP said I just walked in.
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Other police officers were consulted, several said this is a crime scene, no photographs allowed.
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A NYC police captain was consulted who directed that AP be escorted from the site but that the digital photos need not be confiscated.
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The captain advised AP to apply for an official permit to photograph the site.
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A NYC police officer took AP to New York State police officers nearby who asked to examine the digital camera and view the photographs.
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Without telling AP, who was being questioned by a State police officer, the photographs were deleted from the camera's compact flash memory chip by another State police officer.
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AP was then escorted to the perimeter of the site by yet another NYC police officer who recorded AP's name, and who issued a warning to stay away from the site or face arrest.
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Way to go New Yorkers who follow orders.
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Ensuring that no real investigation ever would or could take place to save incriminating evidence from public scrutiny, and hiding real evidence is a tactic long used by criminals who are trying to make sure they get off the hook.
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It has worked so far.......
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Jet Fuel ha ha ha ha agggha
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That's A Good One huh eh !

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#246979 Nov 23, 2012
Was Ground Zero a crime scene or wasn't it?
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They say its a crime scene and don't let independent photographers take pictures, and in the same breath they take away the evidence and do not investigate properly.
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It only makes sense when you come to the conclusion they are hiding something.
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Jet Fuel ha ha ha ha ahhhh
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That's A Funny One huh eh !

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#246980 Nov 23, 2012
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
Was Ground Zero a crime scene or wasn't it?
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They say its a crime scene and don't let independent photographers take pictures, and in the same breath they take away the evidence and do not investigate properly.
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It only makes sense when you come to the conclusion they are hiding something.
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Jet Fuel ha ha ha ha ahhhh
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That's A Funny One huh eh !
Makes alot of sense to let just anyone go into a dangerous construction cleanup to get in the way of workers performing the hazadous task of removing the debris with heavy machinery and
welding torches huh?

Doc Dummy ha ha ha ha ahhhh

That's A Funny One huh eh !

“Google Operation Northwoods”

Since: Aug 10

** 9-11 was an inside job **

#246981 Nov 23, 2012
Read.
https://sites.google.com/site/911whatyoumight...
( Click the little triangle arrow on the left hand column next to 911)
Also
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-RwCquGuT1wo/TyIlfmm...
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https://sites.google.com/site/911whatyoumight...

Guess what shills?
YOU LOSE.....again

“Google Operation Northwoods”

Since: Aug 10

** 9-11 was an inside job **

#246982 Nov 23, 2012

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