Was 9/11 a conspiracy??

Created by djhixx on Oct 13, 2007

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“I'm A Whacko From”

Since: Sep 08

Waco, TX

#246851 Nov 20, 2012
hunter wrote:
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Well its definitely not your's going by your spelling. Dogboy!
"Your's?" Seriously, WTF language are you speaking?
hunter wrote:
<quoted text>Here boy, Fetch..........Sit, Stay.
Be careful. Tigermermaid won't stand up again until you tell her to.
hunter

Norwich, UK

#246852 Nov 20, 2012
Sundog512 wrote:
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Damn, you had to go way back to find that comment.
Ass still chapped about that one, huh?
Im keeping it simple for you!
I was keeping my comment on your intelligence level, Sunpuppy.
Go back to your master and back to bed.
Dont let the grey box coward give you nightmares.

“I'm A Whacko From”

Since: Sep 08

Waco, TX

#246853 Nov 20, 2012
hunter wrote:
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Im keeping it simple for you!
Like you have any other choice, idiot.
hunter wrote:
<quoted text>I was keeping my comment on your intelligence level, Sunpuppy.
Translated: You were doing the best you could possibly do.
hunter wrote:
<quoted text>Go back to your master and back to bed.
What he really means to say is, Sunpuppy, leave me alone or I am going to cry.
hunter wrote:
<quoted text>Dont let the grey box coward give you nightmares.
Don't worry. I won't.

;)
hunter

Norwich, UK

#246854 Nov 20, 2012
Sundog512 wrote:
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Like you have any other choice, idiot.
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Translated: You were doing the best you could possibly do.
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What he really means to say is, Sunpuppy, leave me alone or I am going to cry.
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Don't worry. I won't.
;)
You will if I go off alone and cry!
You would not want to be in the vicinity when i throw my toys about.
I said, Fetch and sit,One other command Now Shut up!

“I'm A Whacko From”

Since: Sep 08

Waco, TX

#246855 Nov 20, 2012
hunter wrote:
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You will if I go off alone and cry!
If you do anything I am sure it will be alone.
hunter wrote:
<quoted text>You would not want to be in the vicinity when i throw my toys about.
Ohhh...another internet badass. I'm not worried one way or another, dummy.
hunter wrote:
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[QUOTE who="hunter"]<quo ted text>I said, Fetch and sit,One other command Now Shut up!
Apparently, I am not listening, am I?

Now what are you going to do?

Try shouting in all caps. Maybe I'll listen then.
twoof

Winchester, KY

#246856 Nov 20, 2012
Porkpie Hat wrote:
<quoted text>And once again, you and your ilk have shown such a disdain for scientific literacy it's ceased to be merely funny.
The conclusions of the NIST reports were offered as drafts for public scrutiny and had many credible criticisms from organizations like the CTBUH and NIST also included twoofer bs on their own website.
You haven't done anything aside from repetitively chant your twoofer mantras regarding credibility while presenting nothing credible yourself.
Another great example of your head in the sand approach to doing nothing but uphold your quasi-religious belief in inside job is the fact that you claim NIST themselves say anything about the modeling they've done as being "highly unlikely".
Of course if I ask you to support that you'll completely ignore my request in keeping with your version of "adult debate".
As well, there's nothing "secretive" about the modeling or the input data as all the data was published in the reports themselves and like this guy,
"As an interested citizen, the son of an engineer, and a very-part-time programmer at a structural analysis software company (LARSA) which happens to be similar to one of the applications NIST used in their analysis, I wanted to get a peak at the computer models used. I'm no conspiracy theorist, but I do like to go to the source when there's a debate."
http://razor.occams.info/nist-wtc/
You yourself could obtain the data, but unlike him your entire argument is fallacious and devoid of any factual basis.
Regarding the testing for explosives, I'll again repeat the simple reality of why it wasn't necessary and offer an analogy to support it.
The first step in any investigation is always visual examination which, in most cases, begins to define the direction of the investigation including what testing would be necessary to work towards a possible theory.
This was upheld with the WTC collapses as all materials were inspected at Fresh Kills and Staten Island sites by experts who looked for and marked samples of remnants which could be used to formulate a plausible theory as the the cause of the collapses.
Nothing at this point was found that would include explosives as a potential for the cause of collapse.
Your repetitive twoofer approved mantra about testing for explosives is supportable by nothing tangible and if we include the reports from seismologists who agree there was no signature for explosives, your implied claim falls by the wayside.
no one is reading your ramblings anymore pork, you're just wasting your time.
go
twoof
gone
Sungod215

Winchester, KY

#246857 Nov 20, 2012
Sundog512 wrote:
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If you do anything I am sure it will be alone.
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Ohhh...another internet badass. I'm not worried one way or another, dummy.
<quoted text>
Apparently, I am not listening, am I?
Now what are you going to do?
Try shouting in all caps. Maybe I'll listen then.
nobody does it better
go
dog
go
Sungod215

Winchester, KY

#246858 Nov 20, 2012
Sundog512 wrote:
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Like you have any other choice, idiot.
<quoted text>
Translated: You were doing the best you could possibly do.
<quoted text>
What he really means to say is, Sunpuppy, leave me alone or I am going to cry.
<quoted text>
Don't worry. I won't.
;)
basking in the spot light again, eh jackass?
TWOOF

Winchester, KY

#246859 Nov 20, 2012
Porkpie Hat wrote:
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It's hard to imagine people as dull and ignorant as you actually exist, but here you are elevator boy.
Again, you've admitted you just post crap without having a clue whether it's valid or true, you tried to use some other morons argument that rendered elevators inoperable and you're constantly being exposed as an idiot who doesn't even attempt to verify anything you post.
You epitomize the mindless nature of the church using lies to support their dogma in every post by including your idiotic tag line with no clue as to the relevance of jet fuels role in the collapses.
On the other hand, I've spoken with engineers, pilots and fire fighters and presented the inane drivel you worship from the pulpit of your keyboard and have yet to find one person who doesn't find it to be ridiculously childish and empty if fact.
I regularly criticize my government and know full well there isn't some shadowy figure that walks around with a name tag that says, "Hi! I'm the government!".
You're a ridiculous baffoon with no knowledge of anything you post about yet you mindlessly accept anything which supports your stupid conclusions as being true.
Elevator boy-sheep, you argue for flat earth everyday.
Visit the nearest post secondary institution for further confirmation.
so is there ANYTHING AT ALL in the OFFICIAL GOVIE TWOOF that you question?.....
Of course not because it is the TWOOF, the whole TWOOF, and nothing but the TWOOF, eh?

“I'm A Whacko From”

Since: Sep 08

Waco, TX

#246860 Nov 20, 2012
You sound angry.
Sungod215 wrote:
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nobody does it better
go
dog
go

“I'm A Whacko From”

Since: Sep 08

Waco, TX

#246861 Nov 20, 2012
Why so angry, Goat MacLovin?

Did your goat knock over your still again?
Sungod215 wrote:
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basking in the spot light again, eh jackass?
Projection

Winchester, KY

#246862 Nov 20, 2012
Sundog512 wrote:
You sound angry.
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Psychological projection or projection bias is a psychological defense mechanism where a person subconsciously denies his or her own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, usually to other people. Thus, projection involves imagining or projecting the belief that others originate those feelings.
SteveO

Stanton, KY

#246863 Nov 20, 2012
Sundog512 wrote:
Why so angry, Goat MacLovin?
Did your goat knock over your still again?
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Nobody does it quite the way you do,
why'd you have to be so good?
rider

Marquette, MI

#246864 Nov 20, 2012
What happened to those who “failed”, and what exactly were their “failures”?
Former Senator Gary Hart observes that,“in terms of accountability, I think this is one of the great mysteries of the last three or four years. Three thousand Americans died three years ago, and no one lost his or her job over it. A president who says that he is a strong president, and those around him say he is, did not fire anyone. Either he was misled, in which case, somebody should have been fired. Or he misled us, in which case he should be fired.”[4] Senator Charles Grassley similarly noted that “I can’t think of a single person being held accountable anywhere in government for what went on and what went wrong prior to Sept. 11. It seems that nobody in government makes any mistakes anymore.”[5] According to testimony given to Congress these statements are accurate; not one single individual within the CIA, FBI, and NSA has been reprimanded, punished, or fired for the events of 9/11.[6]
http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2007/11/911-...
rider

Marquette, MI

#246865 Nov 20, 2012
rider

Marquette, MI

#246866 Nov 20, 2012
PLANNED BEFORE, FUTURE IDEAS

1962 - US military drafted 'Operation Northwoods', a plan to commit terror acts in US cities, kill innocent people, hijack airplanes, and plant evidence as a way to trick the public into thinking Cuba committed an unprovoked attack against the US in order to support a war against Cuba.(ABC, Natl Security Archives)

March '00 - Filming begins for The Lone Gunmen's 'Pilot' episode that depicts a US plot to crash an electronically hijacked Boeing 727 into WTC and blame foreign terrorists to provoke war and increase military's budget (KC Star), March '01 -'Pilot' episode airs on FOX TV, 6 months before attacks (TV Guide), Lone Gunmen co-producer hopes WTC attack wasn't 'somehow inspired' by anything they did.(KC Star)

rider

Marquette, MI

#246867 Nov 20, 2012
PREPARATION

1999 - NORAD starts conducting exercises in which airplanes are hijacked and crashed into targets which include the WTC and Pentagon (USA Today), April '01 - NORAD requested a war games event of having a terrorist group hijack a commercial airline and fly it into the Pentagon.(Boston Globe)

Oct '00 - Pentagon conducts emergency training exercises of a mock passenger plane crash into the Pentagon.(Army)

June '01 - Terrorist act exercise involving an explosion is conducted near the Pentagon to test first team's 'external response.'(Military District of Washington)

Aug '01 - Raytheon and US Air Force successfully land pilot-less Boeing 727 using military GPS landing system that enables ground control to take control of hijacked plane.(Der Spiegel, Raytheon)

Sept '01 - 25,000 British troops ensemble in Oman near Afghanistan for 'Operation Swift Sword' and will help US in attacking OBL.(BBC, Telegraph)

Sept '01 - US pulls the plug on Muslim websites days before 9/11.(Guardian, BBC)

Sept 10 - FEMA rescuer Tom Kenney says he was deployed to NYC late Monday night before going into action Tuesday morning, the day of the attacks.(CBS video)

Sept 11 - Fort Belvoir near the Pentagon was conducting an exercise to test the security at the base in case of a terrorist attack.(Connection Newspapers)

Sept 11 - An airport emergency operations exercise is being conducted at Fort Myer, a mile from the Pentagon.(MDW, DC Military)

Sept 12 - FEMA was scheduled to participate in an attack drill in NYC.(9/11 Panel, NYC.gov )
rider

Marquette, MI

#246868 Nov 20, 2012
June '01 - Attorney General John Ashcroft stops flying commercial aircrafts because of a 'threat assessment'.(CBS)

Sept 3 - Author Salman Rushdie given US air ban.(Ananova)

Sept 4 - An Israeli owned shipping company moves out of the WTC.(Virginian-Pilot, Real Estate Weekly)

Sept 7 - Jeb Bush puts the Florida National Guard on alert (WorldNetDaily, MyFlorida.com ), Sept 10-11 - President Bush is in FL, state that controversially handed him 2000 presidency (Telegraph), 9/11 - Jeb Bush declares state of emergency in FL immediately after 2nd tower fell (WorldNetDaily), At least 15 of the 19 hijackers have Florida ties.(Augusta Chronicle)

Sept 8 - Marine Aviation group moves further away from where explosion at the Pentagon will happen.(Leatherneck)

Sept 10 - Group of top Pentagon officials canceled travel plans for next morning because of 'security concerns'.(Newsweek)

Sept 10 - San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown receives travel warning 8 hours before attacks.(SF Chronicle)

9/11 - Employees at Israeli instant messaging company Odigo received text message warnings about attacks 2 hours prior.(Haaretz, Washington Post)

9/11 - Donald Rumsfeld predicts terrorist attack in US 2 minutes before 1st WTC plane crash (Fayetteville Observer), later predicts Pentagon crash minutes prior.(Telegraph)

9/11 - White House staff given Cipro, a full month before first cases of anthrax reported.(Washington Post)

9/11 - President Bush's cousin escaped death from the WTC thanks to a 'schedule change' the night before.(Ananova)
rider

Marquette, MI

#246869 Nov 20, 2012
9/11 - Fiduciary Trust, located in the south WTC, had scheduled an emergency drill for the day.(NY Times)

9/11 - Larry Silverstein is not in his office on the 88th floor of the North Tower because of a 'doctors appointment.'(NY Magazine)

DECOYING, STAND DOWN

Sept 9 - NORAD conducts operation 'Northern Vigilance,' planned months in advance, which deploys fighter jets to Alaskan region.(NORAD, Toronto Star)

9/11 - Three F-16 jetfighters from Andrews AFB, 15 miles from Pentagon, are flown 180 miles away for training mission in the morning.(Aviation Week)

9/11 - Andrews AFB, home to DC Air National Guard and Air Force 1 & 2, had no jetfighters on alert.(Newsday, USA Today)

9/11 - US intel agency planned exercise in the morning to simulate plane crash into government building.(Boston Globe, USA Today)

9/11 - NORAD was running war game called 'Vigilant Guardian' in which the commander in charge thought first hijacking was "part of the exercise." (Aviation Week, NY Observer)

9/11 - FAA bans takeoffs at 9:26 am for all civilian, military, or law enforcement aircraft (FAA, Time)

9/11 - Shoot-down authorization not communicated to NORAD until 28 minutes after Flight 93 crashed.(9/11 Panel, Seattle Post)

Feb '05 - Donald Rumsfeld, Gen. Myers confirm there were total of four wargames on 9/11 from Rep. McKinney questioning.(C-SPAN)
rider

Marquette, MI

#246870 Nov 20, 2012
WTC ATTACK

Jan '01 - Frank De Martini, deceased Mgr of WTC Construction & Project Mgmt, says in documentary before 9/11 that he believes WTC towers could sustain multiple hits from large jetliners, comparing it to poking a pencil through mosquito netting.(WTC-A Modern Marvel, DVD Talk)

July '01 - WTC landlord leased the entire WTC complex 6 six weeks before attacks.(CBS, Washington Times)

Twin Towers were hated, poorly designed money-losers subsides by the State and weren't torn down before because of expensive asbestos removal in which 9/11 benefited the owners by efficiently destroying the complex in a way that they didn't have to pay for any of it.(Baltimore Sun, Salon, Front Page)

Sept 6 - WTC officials recently took steps to secure towers against aerial attacks by installing bulletproof windows and fireproof doors in the 22nd-floor computer command center (Newsday)

Two week heightened security alert at WTC is lifted and bomb-sniffing dogs are abruptly removed days before 9/11.(Newsday)

Occupant in WTC says weeks before attacks they had "unusual" amount of evacuations from WTC and says he thinks "they had an inkling something was going on." (People)

9/11 - A Fiduciary Trust CEO from the South WTC is invited to early morning charity event at Offutt AFB hosted by billionaire Warren Buffett and is escorted to TV by military officers and sees 2nd plane crash into her offices.(Forbes, SF Business Times)

9/11 - A missile was reportedly launched from the Woolworth Building near the WTC.(NIST, WNBC, NY Daily)

9/11 - Rudy Giuliani says he was told South WTC was going to collapse.(ABC video)

Company hired to help clean up Ground Zero is control demolition experts, Controlled Demolition Inc.(Waste Age)

Preliminary tests show steel quality did not contribute to twin towers' collapse.(Boston Globe, Pittsburg Live)

Oct '04 - Fire in 56-story Venezuelan skyscraper spreads over 26 floors and burns for over 17 hours, but does not collapse.(CBS)

WTC Ground Zero workers claim they helped FBI find 3 of the 4 black boxes from planes that struck WTC, contradicting official accounts that none were found.(Philadelphia Daily News)

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