Was 9/11 a conspiracy??

Was 9/11 a conspiracy??

Created by djhixx on Oct 13, 2007

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well, im not sure

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#246968 Nov 23, 2012
WasteWater wrote:
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..... many brain-dead voters voted for him.
Did I forget to mention them? Sorry.

Since: Aug 11

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#246969 Nov 23, 2012
Check these two out.

How about pyroclastic flows and burned cars at ground level?

&fe ature=related

How about television footage being doctored?

https://www.youtube.com/watch...

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Edmonton, Canada

#246972 Nov 23, 2012
Insults Are Easier wrote:
<quoted text>If they inspected all the steel, then why does NIST engineer John Gross deny the presence of it?

http://youtu.be/3SLIzSCt_cg

Pictures clearly show it and witnesses clearly reported it.

Ive read NISTs reports, tell me where NIST explains the molten steel and concrete fused clumps found at WTC.

Happy Thanksgiving.

Insults Are Easier
Well it's funny you're even asking that since the photos in your vid don't show molten steel, red hot but not molten.

It could be that he's never seen those particular videos since the comments really are scientifically uninteresting and have no real relevance to the collapses because we're talking about something witnessed well after the collapses had already occurred.

Like it or not, you're still stuck with nothing but a talking point that you've been told is relevant but there's never been any qualification for.

Explosives wouldn't explain molten steel at the time of collapse or weeks after. Thermite may explain molten steel at the time of collapse, but not weeks after since it's reaction will continue until all reactants are consumed.

One could argue that so much thermite was used that it lasted for weeks but logic simply doesn't agree since the shear volume of materials would have been in hundreds of tons and surely noted by many.

Plus, if these masterminds were so unsure of causing collapse that such volume was necessary, don't you think they would have found some other method to remove uncertainty?

Regarding the meteor, it was never molten and there's pics of it that clearly confirm that , I'll again, find them later.

Now as I sit at my desk finishing my morning coffee, I have in front of me an NDE request form for PMI (positive material identification) of some valves we received yesterday that have Chinese materials.

This is the standard method of confirming the chemical content of a material and since our customer has specified they'll only accept Chinese materials if this is done, it's required we do it.

The relevance of that is, we know NIST had many of these tests done to confirm steel grades and acceptability.

The reality is that, like my coroner analogy, it would be impossible to miss the chemical signature of explosives the tests result in chemical composition and even I would know something was amiss if the chemistry was so out of whack that it didn't reflect a similarity to the original material test reports and the ASME chemical requirements for that grade of carbon steel.

Happy thanksgiving to yourself and all the Americans out there.

Please don't drink and drive and have a great holiday!

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#246973 Nov 23, 2012
Porkpie Hat wrote:
<quoted text>
Well it's funny you're even asking that since the photos in your vid don't show molten steel, red hot but not molten.
"One could argue that so much thermite was used that it lasted for weeks but logic simply doesn't agree since the shear volume of materials would have been in hundreds of tons and surely noted by many."

The temperature wasn't near high enough to argue thermite.
Not even close, as far away as a whole 1/4th the way to the temperature of a thermite reaction.
But it is consistent with something else's temperature,
the coals of a fire.

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Edmonton, Canada

#246974 Nov 23, 2012
_Abraxas_ wrote:
<quoted text>"One could argue that so much thermite was used that it lasted for weeks but logic simply doesn't agree since the shear volume of materials would have been in hundreds of tons and surely noted by many."

The temperature wasn't near high enough to argue thermite.
Not even close, as far away as a whole 1/4th the way to the temperature of a thermite reaction.
But it is consistent with something else's temperature,
the coals of a fire.
I agree, the arguments against the use of thermite are many.

There's also the lack of reports or visual clues on video record for bright white light from alleged thermite use.

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#246975 Nov 23, 2012
Porkpie Hat wrote:
Here's the links I promised earlier.
First the claim that investigators weren't given clearance to inspect everything was ,at best, an over statement. At ground zero there were no doubt instances where areas were either too dangerous for inspectors to work or areas where workers were still looking for remains.
This is supported by the agency (ASCE) that was allegedly not given the right to examine what they wanted.
"There has been some concern expressed by others that the work of the team
has been hampered because debris was removed from the site and has subsequently
been processed for recycling. This is not the case. The team has had full access to the
scrap yards and to the site and has been able to obtain numerous samples."
http://tinyurl.com/ad24aac
The next misnomer still repeated by twoofers was that the steel wasn't inspected before shipping to "China".
"Phillips and Jordan officially took over management of the Staten Island Landfill Operation on October 2nd. At that time there were about 137,000 tons of debris already stockpiled at the site that had not been inspected. That number grew to around 170,000 tons by the third week of October. By the eighth of November, under P&J’s management, the number was down to less then 1,400 tons."
http://tinyurl.com/b35h7yh
Obviously material was being inspected and some of the reports claiming otherwise were made well before much of the material had even been recovered from ground zero. The fact remains that steel was being inspected at ground zero and at the land fill sites as it was being removed.
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YAWN !
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More fallacious claims by the ego-maniacal charlatan who claims to be Galileo.
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&fe ature=plcp
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http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Last time I looked you were neither a scientist nor a seeker of truth and capable of NEW theories about anything much less risking your very life in pursuit of debwunking of your governments official theories of how the world really works.
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Something you know very little about.
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As witnessed by this video of your charades on this forum.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Jet Fuel ha ha ha ha ha ha
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That's A Funny One huh eh !

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#246976 Nov 23, 2012
mu shu let's see, something that was witnessed well after the collapse has nothing to do with the collapse, therefore it is irrelevant.
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How about something that was never witnessed having everything to do with the collapse and is completely relevant.
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Well which is it Galileo,(the bright young upstart scientist busily debunking the official government fairy tale of his day)?
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Jet Fuel ha ha ha ah ha ah
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Is Not Relevant But It is Funny huh eh !

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#246977 Nov 23, 2012
Access Restrictions
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The Closure of Ground Zero to Investigators
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While the steel was being removed from the site of the three largest and most mysterious structural failures in history, even the team FEMA had assembled to investigate the failures -- the Building Performance Assessment Team (BPAT)-- was denied access to the evidence. 1
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The Science Committee of the House of Representatives later identified several aspects of the FEMA-controlled operation that prevented the conduct of an adquate investigation: 2
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The BPAT did not control the steel. "The lack of authority of investigators to impound pieces of steel for investigation before they were recycled led to the loss of important pieces of evidence."
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FEMA required BPAT members to sign confidentiality agreements that "frustrated the efforts of independent researchers to understand the collapse."
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The BPAT was not granted access to "pertinent building documents."
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"The BPAT team does not plan, nor does it have sufficient funding, to fully analyze the structural data it collected to determine the reasons for the collapse of the WTC buildings."
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Gene Corley complained to the Committee that the Port Authority refused to give his investigators copies of the Towers' blueprints until he signed a wavier that the plans would not be used in a lawsuit against the agency. 3
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Bill Manning Condemns the "Half-Baked Farce"
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Editor of Fire Engineering Magazine Bill Manning highlighted concerns among the firefighting community over the barring of investigators from the crime scene:
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Fire Engineering has good reason to believe that the "official investigation" blessed by FEMA and run by the American Society of Civil Engineers is a half-baked farce that may already have been commandeered by political forces whose primary interests, to put it mildly, lie far afield of full disclosure.
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Except for the marginal benefit obtained from a three-day, visual walk-through of evidence sites conducted by ASCE investigation committee members- described by one close source as a "tourist trip"-no one's checking the evidence for anything. 4
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Manning also emphatically condemned the destruction of structural steel, declaring "The destruction and removal of evidence must stop immediately." Manning contrasted the operation to past disasters:
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Did they throw away the locked doors from the Triangle Shirtwaist Fire? Did they throw away the gas can used at the Happyland Social Club Fire?.
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Did they cast aside the pressure-regulating valves at the Meridian Plaza Fire? Of course not.
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But essentially, that's what they're doing at the World Trade Center.
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Manning indicated that the destruction of the steel was illegal, based on his review of the national standard for fire investigation, NFPA 921, which provides no exemption to the requirement that evidence be saved in cases of fires in buildings over 10 stories tall.
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http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/groundzero/re...
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Refute that Galileo you scum sucking mu shu pork pig haq
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Jet Fuel ha ha ha ha
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That's A Good One huh eh !

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#246978 Nov 23, 2012
Calls for an independent investigation even came from politicians such as Senator Charles E. Schumer and Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton..
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Experts complained that the volunteer investigators selected by FEMA lacked financial support, staff support, and subpoena power. 5

No Photographs!

On September 26th, then-Mayor Rudolph Giuliani banned photographs of Ground Zero. 6 An account by an anonymous photographer (AP), who took the photographs at the end of the Ground Zero photographs page, describes the treatment of this citizen investigator.
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At the end of this return walk a NYC police officer asked to be shown authorization for taking photographs.
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AP said there was none.
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The officer asked how access to the site was gained. AP said I just walked in.
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Other police officers were consulted, several said this is a crime scene, no photographs allowed.
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A NYC police captain was consulted who directed that AP be escorted from the site but that the digital photos need not be confiscated.
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The captain advised AP to apply for an official permit to photograph the site.
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A NYC police officer took AP to New York State police officers nearby who asked to examine the digital camera and view the photographs.
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Without telling AP, who was being questioned by a State police officer, the photographs were deleted from the camera's compact flash memory chip by another State police officer.
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AP was then escorted to the perimeter of the site by yet another NYC police officer who recorded AP's name, and who issued a warning to stay away from the site or face arrest.
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Way to go New Yorkers who follow orders.
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Ensuring that no real investigation ever would or could take place to save incriminating evidence from public scrutiny, and hiding real evidence is a tactic long used by criminals who are trying to make sure they get off the hook.
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It has worked so far.......
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Jet Fuel ha ha ha ha agggha
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That's A Good One huh eh !

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#246979 Nov 23, 2012
Was Ground Zero a crime scene or wasn't it?
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They say its a crime scene and don't let independent photographers take pictures, and in the same breath they take away the evidence and do not investigate properly.
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It only makes sense when you come to the conclusion they are hiding something.
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Jet Fuel ha ha ha ha ahhhh
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That's A Funny One huh eh !

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#246980 Nov 23, 2012
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
Was Ground Zero a crime scene or wasn't it?
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They say its a crime scene and don't let independent photographers take pictures, and in the same breath they take away the evidence and do not investigate properly.
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It only makes sense when you come to the conclusion they are hiding something.
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Jet Fuel ha ha ha ha ahhhh
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That's A Funny One huh eh !
Makes alot of sense to let just anyone go into a dangerous construction cleanup to get in the way of workers performing the hazadous task of removing the debris with heavy machinery and
welding torches huh?

Doc Dummy ha ha ha ha ahhhh

That's A Funny One huh eh !

“Google Operation Northwoods”

Since: Aug 10

** 9-11 was an inside job **

#246981 Nov 23, 2012
Read.
https://sites.google.com/site/911whatyoumight...
( Click the little triangle arrow on the left hand column next to 911)
Also
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-RwCquGuT1wo/TyIlfmm...
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https://sites.google.com/site/911whatyoumight...

Guess what shills?
YOU LOSE.....again

“Google Operation Northwoods”

Since: Aug 10

** 9-11 was an inside job **

#246982 Nov 23, 2012

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Edmonton, Canada

#246983 Nov 23, 2012
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
<quoted text>.
YAWN !
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More fallacious claims by the ego-maniacal charlatan who claims to be Galileo.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =IMKyfJ6xGUMXX&feature=plc p
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http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Last time I looked you were neither a scientist nor a seeker of truth and capable of NEW theories about anything much less risking your very life in pursuit of debwunking of your governments official theories of how the world really works.
.
Something you know very little about.
.
As witnessed by this video of your charades on this forum.
.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
.
Jet Fuel ha ha ha ha ha ha
.
That's A Funny One huh eh !
Compared to you, I'm God!

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Edmonton, Canada

#246984 Nov 23, 2012
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
mu shu let's see, something that was witnessed well after the collapse has nothing to do with the collapse, therefore it is irrelevant.
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How about something that was never witnessed having everything to do with the collapse and is completely relevant.
.
Well which is it Galileo,(the bright young upstart scientist busily debunking the official government fairy tale of his day)?
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Jet Fuel ha ha ha ah ha ah
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Is Not Relevant But It is Funny huh eh !
Actually since morons like yourself can't figure out when it's irrelevant, you're irrelevant.

Oh elevator boy-sheep!

(20 pilots?)

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Edmonton, Canada

#246985 Nov 23, 2012
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
Access Restrictions
.
The Closure of Ground Zero to Investigators
.
While the steel was being removed from the site of the three largest and most mysterious structural failures in history, even the team FEMA had assembled to investigate the failures -- the Building Performance Assessment Team (BPAT)-- was denied access to the evidence. 1
.
The Science Committee of the House of Representatives later identified several aspects of the FEMA-controlled operation that prevented the conduct of an adquate investigation: 2
.
The BPAT did not control the steel. "The lack of authority of investigators to impound pieces of steel for investigation before they were recycled led to the loss of important pieces of evidence."
.
FEMA required BPAT members to sign confidentiality agreements that "frustrated the efforts of independent researchers to understand the collapse."
.
The BPAT was not granted access to "pertinent building documents."
.
"The BPAT team does not plan, nor does it have sufficient funding, to fully analyze the structural data it collected to determine the reasons for the collapse of the WTC buildings."
.
Gene Corley complained to the Committee that the Port Authority refused to give his investigators copies of the Towers' blueprints until he signed a wavier that the plans would not be used in a lawsuit against the agency. 3
.
Bill Manning Condemns the "Half-Baked Farce"
.
Editor of Fire Engineering Magazine Bill Manning highlighted concerns among the firefighting community over the barring of investigators from the crime scene:
.
Fire Engineering has good reason to believe that the "official investigation" blessed by FEMA and run by the American Society of Civil Engineers is a half-baked farce that may already have been commandeered by political forces whose primary interests, to put it mildly, lie far afield of full disclosure.
.
Except for the marginal benefit obtained from a three-day, visual walk-through of evidence sites conducted by ASCE investigation committee members- described by one close source as a "tourist trip"-no one's checking the evidence for anything. 4
.
Manning also emphatically condemned the destruction of structural steel, declaring "The destruction and removal of evidence must stop immediately." Manning contrasted the operation to past disasters:
.
Did they throw away the locked doors from the Triangle Shirtwaist Fire? Did they throw away the gas can used at the Happyland Social Club Fire?.
.
Did they cast aside the pressure-regulating valves at the Meridian Plaza Fire? Of course not.
.
But essentially, that's what they're doing at the World Trade Center.
.
Manning indicated that the destruction of the steel was illegal, based on his review of the national standard for fire investigation, NFPA 921, which provides no exemption to the requirement that evidence be saved in cases of fires in buildings over 10 stories tall.
.
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/groundzero/re...
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Refute that Galileo you scum sucking mu shu pork pig haq
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Jet Fuel ha ha ha ha
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That's A Good One huh eh !
The FEMA building performance study was done during the first few weeks after the event.

I'm sure there were areas off limits until teams of clean up crews had assessed and made them safe enough for inspectors.

Gene Corely of the ASCE has stated his teams had full access to all materials.

But hey, you've got twoof!

(20 pilots?)

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#246986 Nov 23, 2012
Porkpie Hat wrote:
<quoted text>
Compared to you, I'm God!
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First you claim you are Galileo.
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Now you say you are God.
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I say you are just little ol mu shu pork pig boy.
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But always trying to be something you are not.
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Especially not a learned man of science who seeks truth and argues against the official government fairy tale.
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You believe in your government er rather my government's fairy tale of 9/11 with all your being. Which isn't much.
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Classic schizophrenic, pyschoinfantile, pedophilic,
narcissistic, sophist, ideologue behavior.
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Chicharones is your favorite snack.
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Jet Fuel ha ha ha ha ha ha
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“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#246987 Nov 23, 2012
Porkpie Hat wrote:
<quoted text>
The FEMA building performance study was done during the first few weeks after the event.
I'm sure there were areas off limits until teams of clean up crews had assessed and made them safe enough for inspectors.
Gene Corely of the ASCE has stated his teams had full access to all materials.
But hey, you've got twoof!
(20 pilots?)
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Says the guy who thinks he is Galileo.
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Jet Fuel ha ha ha ha ha ah
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They Are Both Funny huh eh ! LOL

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Edmonton, Canada

#246988 Nov 23, 2012
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
<quoted text>.
First you claim you are Galileo.
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Now you say you are God.
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I say you are just little ol mu shu pork pig boy.
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But always trying to be something you are not.
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Especially not a learned man of science who seeks truth and argues against the official government fairy tale.
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You believe in your government er rather my government's fairy tale of 9/11 with all your being. Which isn't much.
.
Classic schizophrenic, pyschoinfantile, pedophilic,
narcissistic, sophist, ideologue behavior.
.
Chicharones is your favorite snack.
.
Jet Fuel ha ha ha ha ha ha
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Actually, you losers claimed you were the modern day equivalent of Galileo and I've been f$&king with your little minds ever since.

But seriously, compared to your inept and useless azz, I'm God.

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Edmonton, Canada

#246989 Nov 23, 2012
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
<quoted text>.
Says the guy who thinks he is Galileo.
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Jet Fuel ha ha ha ha ha ah
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They Are Both Funny huh eh ! LOL
That's a helluva come back elevator boy-sheep.

Where'd ya copy paste it from?

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