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# Was 9/11 a conspiracy??

Created by djhixx on Oct 13, 2007

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well, im not sure

stronzo
#246078 Nov 13, 2012
Say the Truth wrote:
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So in shorter words you have no fkcuing idea, and your "most" is a completely meaningless quantity designed to support your position.
Got it.
in short, I was just talking about the predominance of non-firing neurons in that lump of stronzo between your ears which is analogous to the amount of nanoparticles and dust spread out over lower Manhattan
3rd law
#246080 Nov 13, 2012
Say the Truth wrote:
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"Average speed" is meaningless.
After 13 seconds of "free fall" - acceleration due to gravity - a body is going 416 ft /sec or 330MPH.
Any "resistance" from the next lower floor is overcome practically instantaneously as the falling upper structure picks up speed and accummulates more mass (therefore F is growing exponentially). Buildings are designed to withstand a mostly static vertical load and reasonable "live" load, not a sledgehammer.
I think you got hit on the head by a falling bowling ball. Go back to smoking pot and reading Chaucer and leave the higher mathematics to your betters.
Mass is constant and cannot increase and in this case it actually decreased as debris was ejected laterally and dust blew away in the wind, therefore both force and acceleration should have also deceased as the kinetic energy was absorbed by the lower floors. While the force increased initially as a result of increase in acceleration, this force was countracted by the equal and opposite force of the lower intact floors according to Newton's basic laws of motion. Newton's 3rd law of motion states:
When a first body exerts a force F1 on a second body, the second body simultaneously exerts a force F2 = &#8722;F1 on the first body. This means that F1 and F2 are equal in magnitude and opposite in direction.
Which means the equal and opposing force of the intact lower floors should have halted the progressive acceleration of the upper mass of debris and dust falling on it.

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bowling ball
#246081 Nov 13, 2012
Say the Truth wrote:
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I think I got hit on the head by a falling bowling ball.
that's a great analogy. So let's say I dropped a bowling ball on your head from about 6 inches above you because that is roughly equivalent in scale to the top portion of the building collapsing on the lower portion, give or take a few inches. Newton's 3rd law states that your skull would exert an equal and opposite force for you to withstand that downward force and you would probably remain standing given the fact that you have a very thick skull and you have a lot more mass than the bowling ball. Now how far would I have to drop the bowling ball before your thick skull would give in and collapse...100 ft maybe?

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#246083 Nov 13, 2012
bowling ball wrote:
<quoted text>that's a great analogy. So let's say I dropped a bowling ball on your head from about 6 inches above you because that is roughly equivalent in scale to the top portion of the building collapsing on the lower portion, give or take a few inches. Newton's 3rd law states that your skull would exert an equal and opposite force for you to withstand that downward force and you would probably remain standing given the fact that you have a very thick skull and you have a lot more mass than the bowling ball. Now how far would I have to drop the bowling ball before your thick skull would give in and collapse...100 ft maybe?
Thats just crazy talk. Since his head is all skull, then the ball would just bounce off, completely unlike the symmetrical complete collapse of dust on 9/11.

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#246084 Nov 13, 2012
Dr_Zorderz wrote:

A transcription of an audio interview of Ground Zero chaplain Herb
audio interview? post it
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
I talked to many contractors and they said they actually saw molten metal trapped, beams had just totally had been melted because of the
Im sure the contractors could tell the difference between one pool of molten(fav buzz word of the twoofer) and another

This pool of "totally molten" here is beams,that pool there is PCs "totally molten",and this one here is soda machines..lol
Mark
#246085 Nov 14, 2012
Where's pool Boy when you need Him?

Since: Jun 07

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#246086 Nov 14, 2012
why don't you get a bowling ball and do this experiment using your own head !?!?!?!??!
bowling ball wrote:
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that's a great analogy. So let's say I dropped a bowling ball on your head from about 6 inches above you because that is roughly equivalent in scale to the top portion of the building collapsing on the lower portion, give or take a few inches. Newton's 3rd law states that your skull would exert an equal and opposite force for you to withstand that downward force and you would probably remain standing given the fact that you have a very thick skull and you have a lot more mass than the bowling ball. Now how far would I have to drop the bowling ball before your thick skull would give in and collapse...100 ft maybe?

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

#246087 Nov 14, 2012
<quoted text>LOL ......... You saw that too !!!!
Oh ya, the twoofsheep are willing to believe anything that includes the conclusion they want and will never scrutinize their silly sources.

You'd think they would do some self-policing in order to not look like mindless fools but nope, not in twooferdumb!

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

#246088 Nov 14, 2012
<quoted text>so you admit NOBODY tested the molten material and the claim that it was "molten steel" is just another Twoofer lie !?!?!?!?!?
And what relevance does it have?

Like wow, the rubble pile from two massive office towers burned hot enough to melt something!

The TRUTH is that reports of molten materials in building fires is commonplace but in twooferdumb all one has to do is mention the word "molten" to get the twoofsheep bleating inside jobbity job.

crucifiedguy

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#246089 Nov 14, 2012
I see there is nothing new on this thread . Same old people , same old arguments,and same old bullshit.
peace
p.p.p.

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#246090 Nov 14, 2012
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
Obviously nobody did a Dip Test. SO WHAT!
Nobody cares if you don't like it that nobody did a Fuhking Dip Test.

NO one cares what you think ratdick. No Dip Test does not mean that there was not molten metal evident. They also did not test for explosives and there is much evidence for explosives.
I suppose all the FDNY that say they heard, and saw explosives are lying.

A report in the Johns Hopkins Public Health Magazine about recovery work in late October quotes Alison Geyh, Ph.D., as stating:
Fires are still actively burning and the smoke is very intense. In some pockets now being uncovered, they are finding molten steel. 6

A publication by the National Environmental Health Association quotes Ron Burger, a public health advisor at the National Center for Environmental Health, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, who arrived at Ground Zero on the evening of September 12th. Burger stated:
Feeling the heat, seeing the molten steel, the layers upon layers of ash, like lava, it reminded me of Mt. St. HelenÂs and the thousands who fled that disaster. 7

An article in The Newsletter of the Structural Engineers Association of Utah describing a speaking appearance by Leslie Robertson (structural engineer responsible for the design of the World Trade Center) contains this passage:
As of 21 days after the attack, the fires were still burning and molten steel was still running. 8

A member of the New York Air National Guard's 109th Air Wing was at Ground Zero from September 22 to October 6. He kept a journal on which an article containing the following passage is based.
Smoke constantly poured from the peaks. One fireman told us that there was still molten steel at the heart of the towers' remains. Firemen sprayed water to cool the debris down but the heat remained intense enough at the surface to melt their boots. 9

The book American Ground, which contains detailed descriptions of conditions at Ground Zero, contains this passage:
... or, in the early days, the streams of molten metal that leaked from the hot cores and flowed down broken walls inside the foundation hole. 10

A review of of the documentary Collateral Damage in the New York Post describes firemen at Ground Zero recalling "heat so intense they encountered rivers of molten steel." 11

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/molt...
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Jet Fuel ha ha ha ha
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That's As Funny As You Dip Shit
Such irony!

Oh and btw, for the umpteenth time, Leslie Robertson never made the comments you morons continue to attribute to him, it was the guy writing the article.

"As of 21 days after the attack, the fires were still burning and molten steel was still running."

http://web.archive.org/web/20060909104247/htt...

It's quite funny to see idiots like you repeat a ten year old lie even though a small amount of of checking would verify the claim to be untrue.

But then that epitomizes the mindless nature of twoofsheep such as yourself.

Twoof: "Do you think the sky is falling?

Do you repeat silly lies over and over but still want to be taken seriously?

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#246091 Nov 14, 2012
metal wrote:
<quoted text>whatever metal it was...whether steel, aluminum, titanium, lead, or copper...why did it remain in its molten state for weeks after 9/11?
Because insulated rubble piles are really good at heat transfer junkie.

Kinda like you're good at banging rocks.
Say the Truth
#246092 Nov 14, 2012
analogy wrote:
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because there is little resistance to a mass of snow falling down a mountainside. But tell me, can the avalanche of snow crush the entire mountain down to a level pile in the same way the dust of the WTC crushed the entire building, that would be the more fitting analogy.
So yes the avalanche is analogous to dust in the wind in that it cannot crush the mountain anymore so than the dust of the WTC on the rest of building but it certainly can spread it itself down the side of the mountain just the same way as dust spread over lower Manhattan.
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
-Honest Abe

Say the Truth
#246093 Nov 14, 2012
3rd law wrote:
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Mass is constant and cannot increase and in this case it actually decreased as debris was ejected laterally and dust blew away in the wind, therefore both force and acceleration should have also deceased as the kinetic energy was absorbed by the lower floors. While the force increased initially as a result of increase in acceleration, this force was countracted by the equal and opposite force of the lower intact floors according to Newton's basic laws of motion. Newton's 3rd law of motion states:
When a first body exerts a force F1 on a second body, the second body simultaneously exerts a force F2 = &#8722;F1 on the first body. This means that F1 and F2 are equal in magnitude and opposite in direction.
Which means the equal and opposing force of the intact lower floors should have halted the progressive acceleration of the upper mass of debris and dust falling on it.
Mr Smith, grades are in. Yours, in Physics:

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Say the Truth
#246094 Nov 14, 2012
Insults Are Easier in KY wrote:
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Thats just crazy talk. Since his head is all skull, then the ball would just bounce off, completely unlike the symmetrical complete collapse of dust on 9/11.
Insults Are Easier
Having a conversation with yourself is a sign of a mental disorder.

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“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

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#246095 Nov 14, 2012
This debate over molten metal lingering in the lower levels of WTC 1 & 2 for months after 9/11 is a perfect example of the purposefully careless and self-serving government intervention in the investigation of the events of 9/11.
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By now everyone on both sides of this issue have seen pictures and videos of red material flowing out of the side of WTC 2 before it fell down.
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If you havent seen these pictures or videos they are easy to find.
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http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2009/02/debu...
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Also there are many pictures and eyewitness testimony of steel beams being lifted up into the air with one end red-hot and dripping red material during the clean-up.
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http://911encyclopedia.com/wiki/index.php/Wor...
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http://federal23.wordpress.com/
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Anybody who has seen a blacksmith work would immediately recognize it as red hot steel without having to do a dip test.
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Keep heating this steel and it melts into a thick liquid and drops to the floor. Is this what is seen flowing out of WTC 2?
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Why wasnt a dip test performed? It is more than obvious the government did not want this incident completely investigated. As soon as it was assured no more survivors would be found the entire area was sealed off to any investigators and they were denied access to the crime scene.
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NIST itself says:
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The condition of the steel in the wreckage of the WTC towers (i.e., whether it was in a molten state or not) was irrelevant to the investigation of the collapse since it does not provide any conclusive information on the condition of the steel when the WTC towers were standing.
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This is perhaps the most ridiculous statement that NIST utters. If there was molten steel in the WTC towers then this is conclusive proof that some other factor was involved other than the aircraft impact, the consequent fire and a gravity only collapse. NIST simply hand waves it all away and tells us it doesn't matter, just like the debwunkers and blind believers on this forum.
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So an incident involving the following:
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* 20 international terrorists that had been closely followed and investigated for the previous 4 or more years by the FBI and CIA and other agencies, got past airport security undetected.
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* Four hijacked commercial aircraft that were allowed to fly hundreds of miles across the American countryside for more than an hour and were not ever challenged by any of the USs modern military defenses.
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* Three of New Yorks tallest buildings being completely destroyed along with numerous other buildings causing,
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* The deaths of over 3,000 innocent people.
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Is NOT forensically investigated because the government says such an investigation would not provide any conclusive information.
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Is it just me or is something not quite right here?
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The believers in the government fairy tale comic book on 9/11 think this state of affairs is perfectly OK. They think that anyone who questions this state of affairs is just another one of a few kooks on the net.
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This "little incident" should have been and still needs to be properly and forensically investigated, and the perpetrators brought to justice.
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Jet Fuel ha ha ha ha hah
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Thats A Good One Huh Eh !

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Charlie Sheen
#246096 Nov 14, 2012
Yawn, But who were those 20 pilots again?
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
This debate over molten metal lingering in the lower levels of WTC 1 & 2 for months after 9/11 is a perfect example of the purposefully careless and self-serving government intervention in the investigation of the events of 9/11.
.
By now everyone on both sides of this issue have seen pictures and videos of red material flowing out of the side of WTC 2 before it fell down.
.
If you havent seen these pictures or videos they are easy to find.
.
http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2009/02/debu...
.
Also there are many pictures and eyewitness testimony of steel beams being lifted up into the air with one end red-hot and dripping red material during the clean-up.
.
http://911encyclopedia.com/wiki/index.php/Wor...
.
http://federal23.wordpress.com/
.
.
Anybody who has seen a blacksmith work would immediately recognize it as red hot steel without having to do a dip test.
.
Keep heating this steel and it melts into a thick liquid and drops to the floor. Is this what is seen flowing out of WTC 2?
.
Why wasnt a dip test performed? It is more than obvious the government did not want this incident completely investigated. As soon as it was assured no more survivors would be found the entire area was sealed off to any investigators and they were denied access to the crime scene.
.
NIST itself says:
.
The condition of the steel in the wreckage of the WTC towers (i.e., whether it was in a molten state or not) was irrelevant to the investigation of the collapse since it does not provide any conclusive information on the condition of the steel when the WTC towers were standing.
.
This is perhaps the most ridiculous statement that NIST utters. If there was molten steel in the WTC towers then this is conclusive proof that some other factor was involved other than the aircraft impact, the consequent fire and a gravity only collapse. NIST simply hand waves it all away and tells us it doesn't matter, just like the debwunkers and blind believers on this forum.
.
So an incident involving the following:
.
* 20 international terrorists that had been closely followed and investigated for the previous 4 or more years by the FBI and CIA and other agencies, got past airport security undetected.
.
* Four hijacked commercial aircraft that were allowed to fly hundreds of miles across the American countryside for more than an hour and were not ever challenged by any of the USs modern military defenses.
.
* Three of New Yorks tallest buildings being completely destroyed along with numerous other buildings causing,
.
* The deaths of over 3,000 innocent people.
.
Is NOT forensically investigated because the government says such an investigation would not provide any conclusive information.
.
Is it just me or is something not quite right here?
.
The believers in the government fairy tale comic book on 9/11 think this state of affairs is perfectly OK. They think that anyone who questions this state of affairs is just another one of a few kooks on the net.
.
This "little incident" should have been and still needs to be properly and forensically investigated, and the perpetrators brought to justice.
.
Jet Fuel ha ha ha ha hah
.
Thats A Good One Huh Eh !

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#246097 Nov 14, 2012
This debate over molten metal lingering in the lower levels of WTC 1 & 2 for months after 9/11 is a perfect example of the purposefully careless and self-serving government intervention in the investigation of the events of 9/11.
.
By now everyone on both sides of this issue have seen pictures and videos of red material flowing out of the side of WTC 2 before it fell down.
.
If you havent seen these pictures or videos they are easy to find.
.
http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2009/02/debu ...
.
Also there are many pictures and eyewitness testimony of steel beams being lifted up into the air with one end red-hot and dripping red material during the clean-up.
.
http://911encyclopedia.com/wiki/index.php/Wor ...
.
http://federal23.wordpress.com/
.
.
Anybody who has seen a blacksmith work would immediately recognize it as red hot steel without having to do a dip test.
.
Keep heating this steel and it melts into a thick liquid and drops to the floor. Is this what is seen flowing out of WTC 2?
.
Why wasnt a dip test performed? It is more than obvious the government did not want this incident completely investigated. As soon as it was assured no more survivors would be found the entire area was sealed off to any investigators and they were denied access to the crime scene.
.
NIST itself says:
.
The condition of the steel in the wreckage of the WTC towers (i.e., whether it was in a molten state or not) was irrelevant to the investigation of the collapse since it does not provide any conclusive information on the condition of the steel when the WTC towers were standing.
.
This is perhaps the most ridiculous statement that NIST utters. If there was molten steel in the WTC towers then this is conclusive proof that some other factor was involved other than the aircraft impact, the consequent fire and a gravity only collapse. NIST simply hand waves it all away and tells us it doesn't matter, just like the debwunkers and blind believers on this forum.
.
So an incident involving the following:
.
* 20 international terrorists that had been closely followed and investigated for the previous 4 or more years by the FBI and CIA and other government agencies, got past privately controlled airport security undetected.
.
* Four allegedly hijacked commercial aircraft that were allowed to fly hundreds of miles across the American countryside for more than an hour and were not ever challenged by any of the USs modern military defenses.
.
* Three of New Yorks tallest buildings being completely destroyed along with numerous other buildings causing,
.
* The deaths of over 3,000 innocent people.
.
Is NOT forensically investigated because the government says such an investigation would not provide any conclusive information.
.
Is it just me or is something not quite right here?
.
The believers in the government fairy tale comic book on 9/11 think this state of affairs is perfectly OK. They think that anyone who questions this is just another one of a few kooks on the net.
.
This "little incident" should have been and still needs to be properly and forensically investigated, and the perpetrators brought to justice.
.
Jet Fuel ha ha ha ha hah
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Thats A Good One Huh Eh !
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Oh sorry charlie I forgot those names.

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#246098 Nov 14, 2012
uh oh
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sorry charlie
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its time to
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divert divert
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Jet Fuel ha ha ha ha
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That's A Good One Huh Eh !

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Charlie Sheen
#246099 Nov 14, 2012
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
Anybody who has seen a blacksmith work would immediately recognize it as red hot steel without having to do a dip test.
Yawn, Who was that mentally ill woman you called a CIA asset?

Who were the 20 pilots you said could not steer into the WTC?

The color means nothing. The color can be misleading, and because it can be misleading, it means nothing as evidence. This is not aluminum in a foundry which hasn't mixed with anything. This is a cocktail of whatever was on the plane and in the towers which happens to come together. It wouldn't be unreasonable to suspect Aluminum and some other properties has changed its color.

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