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Iraq demands U.S. apology in civilian deaths

There are 116 comments on the Myrtle Beach Online story from Jun 2, 2006, titled Iraq demands U.S. apology in civilian deaths. In it, Myrtle Beach Online reports that:

The Iraqi government demanded Thursday that U.S. forces apologize for the deaths of 24 civilians whom American Marines killed in the town of Haditha last fall and said it would begin talks with the United ...

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Pauline

Ripley, Canada

#103 Jul 2, 2006
Has or will Iraq apologise for all the tortures they inflicted befor they slaughtered innocent people?
will the Taliban apologise for the lives they have taken?
Not likely, yet they expect us to say it's okay to murder our people, it should not be an eye for an eye. They would like us to turn the other cheek! This is the problem with war, you learn what you live. Paybacks will continue to be part of the problem when there is no solution! "God Bless our troops"
metoo

Salisbury, MD

#104 Jul 7, 2006
wtf you talking about?
Pauline wrote:
Has or will Iraq apologise for all the tortures they inflicted befor they slaughtered innocent people?
will the Taliban apologise for the lives they have taken?
Not likely, yet they expect us to say it's okay to murder our people, it should not be an eye for an eye. They would like us to turn the other cheek! This is the problem with war, you learn what you live. Paybacks will continue to be part of the problem when there is no solution! "God Bless our troops"
Diane

Lubbock, TX

#105 Jul 7, 2006
Remember these words!

The most recognized symbol for the US, after the Stars & Stripes, is the Eagle. The following verse is taken from the Quran, the Islamic holy book:

"For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced: for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah and there was peace."

That verse is number 9.11 of the Quran.

these comments are directed at the Muslim Terrorist, I don't have any other venue to vent my thoughts:

I find it amazing that the ‘Muslims as portrayed by the media’[Arabian and European] seems to think it is righteous and holy to kill innocent men and women who were minding their own business in a country far away from Islam, and then howl to high heaven when these people’s countrymen come over and lay a case of ‘whup-ass’ on them in payment for starting something. Okay, Bush apparently lied about WMD, but Saddam was killing Kurds in the streets, entire villages of them and nobody did a thing. Supposedly, he supported terrorist with money and other accommodations, and in return they killed his undesirable elements presumably for practice.

The school yard I grew up in turned a blind eye when Bullies were being disciplined for unruly behavior.

If you want to practice your intolerant religion, knock your self out, but don’t expect me to bow my head and accept [meekly] your religious war on me because I believe differently than you do. If you can’t resist temptation, then you should look to yourself, it is not America’s fault if our entertainments are welll, ummm, Entertaining! We aren’t the only people on earth who think movies and sports etc., are FUN! Only the control freaks hate us, everyone else is having a really good time.

You pay the price of life. If you aren’t part of the solution, then you are part of the problem. If you don’t want ‘innocent women and children’ killed by marines, then perhaps you should strap on a gun and fight the bullies who would have killed those kids with gas under Saddam....By the way, were those your sons dragged through the streets? If we did that to your dead, you would be screaming bloody murder! Do it to our boys and the Muslims say: no more than the demon american’s deserved. If you can’t play nice, then don’t cry when we don’t play nice either....you set the tone bud. Time to pay the consequences.

Also: don't complain about how upset you are that one of your terrorsit buddies got killed playing with explosives, it isn't our responsibility if you die trying to kill and maim us, even though you try to put the blame on our heads - what a concept! I was injured trying to hurt you, how dare you live!

To our soldiers:
you have a tough row to how boys, and you always have had. My son-in-law is serving with you. Keep your chins up, it keeps the mud out of your teeth, but not too high, don't be a target anymore than you have to be. Thank you for doing the best you can. I hope you all come home safely soonest.
Wild Weird Willie

Columbia, SC

#106 Jul 7, 2006
Diane, best wishes for your son-in-law. Mine was one of the first into Afghanistan, part of the invasion of Iraq, and has made a second trip there. His current post will end in eighteen months, and he's already figuring he'll end up back there.

If you don't want all Americans judged by the actions of a criminal, how can you judge all Iraqis or all Muslims by the actions of a few?

Personally, I don't see much in the way of tolerance in your post denouncing the intolerance of the Iraqis.

We are in Iraq now to help the government, lead by this Prime Minister, to establish stability so they can build a cohesive government. President Bush denounces those who harm innocent Americans; do you believe the Prime Minister of a country we claim is soverign does not have the right to do the same?

When did you read the Koran? What is the source of that interesting quote you listed?
USMC Wife

National City, CA

#107 Jul 7, 2006
Diane wrote:
Remember these words!
The most recognized symbol for the US, after the Stars & Stripes, is the Eagle. The following verse is taken from the Quran, the Islamic holy book:
"For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced: for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah and there was peace."
That verse is number 9.11 of the Quran.
these comments are directed at the Muslim Terrorist, I don't have any other venue to vent my thoughts:
I find it amazing that the ‘Muslims as portrayed by the media’[Arabian and European] seems to think it is righteous and holy to kill innocent men and women who were minding their own business in a country far away from Islam, and then howl to high heaven when these people’s countrymen come over and lay a case of ‘whup-ass’ on them in payment for starting something. Okay, Bush apparently lied about WMD, but Saddam was killing Kurds in the streets, entire villages of them and nobody did a thing. Supposedly, he supported terrorist with money and other accommodations, and in return they killed his undesirable elements presumably for practice.
The school yard I grew up in turned a blind eye when Bullies were being disciplined for unruly behavior.
If you want to practice your intolerant religion, knock your self out, but don’t expect me to bow my head and accept [meekly] your religious war on me because I believe differently than you do. If you can’t resist temptation, then you should look to yourself, it is not America’s fault if our entertainments are welll, ummm, Entertaining! We aren’t the only people on earth who think movies and sports etc., are FUN! Only the control freaks hate us, everyone else is having a really good time.
You pay the price of life. If you aren’t part of the solution, then you are part of the problem. If you don’t want ‘innocent women and children’ killed by marines, then perhaps you should strap on a gun and fight the bullies who would have killed those kids with gas under Saddam....By the way, were those your sons dragged through the streets? If we did that to your dead, you would be screaming bloody murder! Do it to our boys and the Muslims say: no more than the demon american’s deserved. If you can’t play nice, then don’t cry when we don’t play nice either....you set the tone bud. Time to pay the consequences.
Also: don't complain about how upset you are that one of your terrorsit buddies got killed playing with explosives, it isn't our responsibility if you die trying to kill and maim us, even though you try to put the blame on our heads - what a concept! I was injured trying to hurt you, how dare you live!
To our soldiers:
you have a tough row to how boys, and you always have had. My son-in-law is serving with you. Keep your chins up, it keeps the mud out of your teeth, but not too high, don't be a target anymore than you have to be. Thank you for doing the best you can. I hope you all come home safely soonest.
Diane - Although your post made me smile and feel good - I must point out that your mistaken by your first statement regarding the verse is taken from the Quran. Its untrue.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/quran911.a...
Otter

Englewood, CO

#108 Jul 7, 2006
Wild Weird Willie wrote:
Diane, best wishes for your son-in-law. Mine was one of the first into Afghanistan, part of the invasion of Iraq, and has made a second trip there. His current post will end in eighteen months, and he's already figuring he'll end up back there.
If you don't want all Americans judged by the actions of a criminal, how can you judge all Iraqis or all Muslims by the actions of a few?
Personally, I don't see much in the way of tolerance in your post denouncing the intolerance of the Iraqis.
We are in Iraq now to help the government, lead by this Prime Minister, to establish stability so they can build a cohesive government. President Bush denounces those who harm innocent Americans; do you believe the Prime Minister of a country we claim is soverign does not have the right to do the same?
When did you read the Koran? What is the source of that interesting quote you listed?
www, it appears that you are encountering the same problem with her that you did with me... not reading or fully comprehending what was stated.

let me see if I may be of help here. Below is what she wrote and you denounced as being a generalization (or at least part of what drew you to the conclusion)

<snip>

these comments are directed at the Muslim Terrorist, I don't have any other venue to vent my thoughts:

<snip>

She is not accusing all Muslims, but instead the Muslim Terrorists, generally those guilty of fundamentalism who indeed are completely intolerant of other religions and sects within their own.

You often bring up good points, www, but too often I read your posts and am greeted with a holier-than-though image of you. Perhaps spending a little more time reading and comprehending the posts to which you respond may alleviate this problem.
Wild Weird Willie

Columbia, SC

#109 Jul 7, 2006
Otter wrote:
<quoted text>
www, it appears that you are encountering the same problem with her that you did with me... not reading or fully comprehending what was stated.
let me see if I may be of help here. Below is what she wrote and you denounced as being a generalization (or at least part of what drew you to the conclusion)
<snip>
these comments are directed at the Muslim Terrorist, I don't have any other venue to vent my thoughts:
<snip>
She is not accusing all Muslims, but instead the Muslim Terrorists, generally those guilty of fundamentalism who indeed are completely intolerant of other religions and sects within their own.
You often bring up good points, www, but too often I read your posts and am greeted with a holier-than-though image of you. Perhaps spending a little more time reading and comprehending the posts to which you respond may alleviate this problem.
I did see that statement; the disclaimer, such as it is, seems to me to be ignored in the balance of her tirade.

The fact that she starts out with an invented verse from the Koran may have made me a little skeptical. I don't doubt her sincerety in believing it, but a minimal investigation on the Internet would have revealed it to be disinformation. Not everything you get in a chain-mail is true.

I don't know about the holier than thou attitude that you think I have. I, like most people, tend to believe that I'm right and you're not.:)
Diane

Lubbock, TX

#110 Jul 7, 2006
USMC Wife wrote:
<quoted text>
Diane - Although your post made me smile and feel good - I must point out that your mistaken by your first statement regarding the verse is taken from the Quran. Its untrue.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/quran911.a...
Oh Dear! I went to your site and read the text. My son in law sent the quote to me, so I will cut and paste this reply to him along with the text from your link....not good to spread erroneous material, I humbly appologize to all who read it. I thought it was true. My Bad.
Otter

Englewood, CO

#111 Jul 7, 2006
Wild Weird Willie wrote:
<quoted text>
I did see that statement; the disclaimer, such as it is, seems to me to be ignored in the balance of her tirade.
The fact that she starts out with an invented verse from the Koran may have made me a little skeptical. I don't doubt her sincerety in believing it, but a minimal investigation on the Internet would have revealed it to be disinformation. Not everything you get in a chain-mail is true.
I don't know about the holier than thou attitude that you think I have. I, like most people, tend to believe that I'm right and you're not.:)
i agree that the koran pull is a bit comical. i cannot find one reference to an eagle in the entire text. however, i have found tens and tens of anti-jewish and anti-christian references throughout;

sample #1 ( http://etext.virginia.edu/koran.html )

5.51: O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

anyway, i do not see that diane's rhetoric is a blanket condemnation of all muslims... just the terrorists/ fundamentalists.
Diane

Lubbock, TX

#112 Jul 7, 2006
Wild Weird Willie wrote:
<quoted text>
I did see that statement; the disclaimer, such as it is, seems to me to be ignored in the balance of her tirade.
The fact that she starts out with an invented verse from the Koran may have made me a little skeptical. I don't doubt her sincerety in believing it, but a minimal investigation on the Internet would have revealed it to be disinformation. Not everything you get in a chain-mail is true.
I don't know about the holier than thou attitude that you think I have. I, like most people, tend to believe that I'm right and you're not.:)
WWW, please see my earlier posting, My son-in-law sent that from his military email posting, not a chain mail thing. I have sent him a correction. To misquote Miz Stewart - it wasn't a good thing. I owned up, and am sorry I misquoted the Koran.

Now as to the rest of it:

It might have been a tirade, but one that has been building for years now. I am fifty years old soon and am so tired of the attitude of the Fundamentalist Terrorists that they think they have the right to dictate to other people what their religious beliefs/actions should be -- I feel this way about some of the Baptists and Jehovahs Witnesses in my immediate neighborhood too! I am not a live and let live sort of gal, but do feel that your right to live by your lights ends where it tromps on mine.

This war in Iraq is just more of the same. It is the idea that people don't have the RIGHT to fight back that frustrates me the most. Americans are constantly accusing each other of the 'knee jerk' reaction syndrome, but a fundamentalist has it all over the rest of us. This is what I feel we are fighting against in Iraq as much as anything else.

The idea that killing someone in the Name of God or Allah should have gone out with the middle ages...yet here we all are, like it or not, in a holy war.

I just don't see how we could win such an argument - after all like you said

"I,like most people, tend to believe that I'm right and you're not."

in a nutshell. Do we kill all the fundalmentalist? Would that even work?

But we digress don't we? The topic is: Should we apologize for killing 'innocent' women and children?

Not in my humble opinion. I haven't seen any 'sorry' given to our servicemen, their families or our country for the hypocritical actions of the rabid fundamentalist's actions.[dragging our dead thru their streets, bombing Christian churches - and each others too!, demanding the right to retribution when a fundamentalist dies while trying to make a bomb to kill others]

My grandmother's advice on giving an apology went like this:

If you have wronged someone first, you should immediately and from your heart apologize and make it right.

If you have been wronged previously by that party and they have never offered or tendered an apology, then do not do so yourself, they will only perceive it as weakness and futher bully you and terrorize you.

In all my years as a child, teenager and adult with a wide experience of the world, I have never seen her words refuted.
USMC Wife

National City, CA

#113 Jul 7, 2006
Now If we can just drop the Liberal VS Conservative talk for a moment – I have a few questions that I would like to pose for NUTERAL ground regarding The Media belonging in ANY war. Along with the tactics of war and how they have to change for all to survive.

1. Where would this country be today if the Media (Be it CNN or FOX or ANY News Agency) had live coverage of the Storming of the beaches of Normandy? Do you think Americans and Allies would still support the War effort seeing their sons blown to pieces on live television?

2. Good Old King George called The Americans “BARBARIANS” during The Revolutionary War because we would not stand and fight like men did in that day and walk across a battle field – Rather we hid in trees and fought like “Gorillas”. Did the early colonists consider this “Barbaric” or (besides Benadict Arnold) believe that fighting in the mannor was not right or did they have to do this to survive? And who won that war?

3) Do the Taliban and other Terror Groups have reporters EVERY DAY reporting on where their “Bases of Operation” are? Are they pressured into giving daily breifings on their daily "At War" activities?

We ALL as Americans AND Allies need to remember that just because we are free to express our thoughts – WE ALL must consider that to EVERY Action there is a reaction and a time and place for everything. YES we have a right to know – but do you need to know RIGHT NOW in a time of war even if you do not agree with the war? Day after day our troops and our allies are put in danger because of the media. Since 9/11 wether we want to believe it or not, times HAVE changed. We must act (TOGETHER) like the colonests hiding in the trees that beat King George - Trust YOUR COUNTRY NO MATTER WHO IS IN CHARGE. Loose lips DO sink ships. We ARE ALL in the same boat.

This is my final post.
dickbush

Roseville, CA

#114 Jul 7, 2006
Anyone who has absolute control will corrupt absolutely, that I Trust. The loose lips in this article did not sink any ships. Although I still wonder why if this was such "Classified" news why did Bush say (on the air)we were watching banks transactions back a few years ago. Do you think the terrorists forgot or were not listening then? The other thing that bothers me about this is if it was such "classified" info whom in the White House leaked it? I think it is just a tactic of the Bush Administration to create more hate and derision.
Diane

Lubbock, TX

#115 Jul 7, 2006
dickbush wrote:
Anyone who has absolute control will corrupt absolutely, that I Trust. The loose lips in this article did not sink any ships. Although I still wonder why if this was such "Classified" news why did Bush say (on the air)we were watching banks transactions back a few years ago. Do you think the terrorists forgot or were not listening then? The other thing that bothers me about this is if it was such "classified" info whom in the White House leaked it? I think it is just a tactic of the Bush Administration to create more hate and derision.
or more smoke to cover his own blunders...that man is a menace to a free society on more than one front!
Wild Weird Willie

Columbia, SC

#116 Jul 7, 2006
dickbush wrote:
Anyone who has absolute control will corrupt absolutely, that I Trust. The loose lips in this article did not sink any ships. Although I still wonder why if this was such "Classified" news why did Bush say (on the air)we were watching banks transactions back a few years ago. Do you think the terrorists forgot or were not listening then? The other thing that bothers me about this is if it was such "classified" info whom in the White House leaked it? I think it is just a tactic of the Bush Administration to create more hate and derision.
The standard reply is that an anti-American left wing liberal holdover from the previous Administration (or a Democratic civil service employee hell bent on destroying the Administration annointed by gawdamitey) would leak it.

No guarantee that the leak came from the White House, either. Justice, Treasury, NSA,(whichever agency the CIA is in today) and other agencies probably were "in the loop."

The argument that the release of the name of the organization that was cooperating with us "damaged us" is specious at best. The global financial market has a limited number of legal conduits.

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#117 May 10, 2014
That's 655k apologies

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Another Vietnam story

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