Blacks Americans Should Form A Nation...
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#167 Sep 4, 2013
UidiotRaceMAKEWORLDPEACE wrote:
Nelson Mandela, September 2002
'The attitude of the United States is a threat to world peace.
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What Nelson Mandela stated, so what.

I say "so what", because from at least the late 1950s, Nelson has been very anti-capitalist, anti-Zionist & anti-West.

For many decades, Mandela, his left wing African National Congress (ANC) organization have not been that supportive of the United States, Israel or the United Kingdom.

Nelson doesn't have financial interests in West African, Central African or East African nations.

The United States, Israel & the United Kingdom have very sizeable economic interests in West African, Central African & East African nations.

So, what Nelson Mandela said about the United States.---- So what.

Nelson Mandela has been (Still is & will remain) a non-factor in regards to the foreign policy initiatives of the United States, Israel & the United Kingdom.

Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#168 Sep 4, 2013
UidiotRace --- You said "and to overthrow of Democratic govts that does not fit US agendas".---- Yep. BIG TIME.

"Democracy" hasn't been (It still isn't) the critical factor.

The critical factor is if the foreign governments are aligned with the United States, Israel & the United Kingdom.

Or, if the foreign organizations are aligned with the United States, Israel & the United Kingdom.

Examples which show this.----

1. 1973.---- Chiles former "democracy" of Salvador Allende Gossens.

From November, 1970 till September, 1973, Salvador was Chiles president. He was democratically elected.

But, Gossens was left wing, anti-Zionist, anti-Israel, anti-United States & anti-United Kingdom.

Since Gossens was this, he HAD to go.

Back in September, 1973, an overthrow was orchestrated.

Salvador was overthrown & neutralized.

A Right wing, pro-Zionist, pro-Israel, pro-United States & pro-United Kingdom Chilean General, Augusto Pinochet Ugarte took power.

It has been alleged that Pinochet was somewhat "dictatorial".

Democracy was NOT at the forefront.

What was at the forefront was whom one aliged with. Whom one associated with.

2. Nicaragua, early 1930s till 1979.---- Nicaraguas former leader, Right wing General Anastasio Somoza Debayle.

It has been alleged that Somoza was "dictatorial".

This didn't matter to the United States, Israel or United Kingdom.

What mattered was that Somoza was aligned with the United States, Israel & the United Kingdom.
Flyfart

Broken Bow, OK

#169 Sep 4, 2013
Johnny wrote:
<quoted text>
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Flyfart, your first statement above, where you said "All black city councel and mayor".---
You using the term "black".----
Just to point out, that not all people of African descent are alike.
People who have some African ancestry CANNOT be lumped in the same boat.
This is why.----
There are VERY fundamental & substantial differences between African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) & foreign born blacks.
Foreign born blacks ((Afro-Latinos (Afro-Dominicans, Afro-Boricuas, Afro-Cubanos, Afro-Colombians, Afro-Panamanians, Afro-Ecuadorians, Afro-Peruvians), blacks from the Anglophone (Jamaicans, Afro-Trinidadians, Afro-Guyanese, Afro-Belizeans, Virgin Islanders, Grenadians, Bermudians, Bajans, Bahamians), blacks from the French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations (Haitians, Martiniqueans, St. Lucians, St. Barthans) & Africans(Nigerians, Ghanaians, Senegalese, Ethiopians, Eritreans & Somalis))
are A LOT different than African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).
Especially in regards to culture.
Foreign born blacks (All of the respective foreign born black groups which I listed in my paragraph above) are appreciative of the United States.
Foreign born blacks value & cherish work ethic, family values, morals, decency, education, law & order.
Foreign born blacks have honor, pride, respect, humility & self gratitude.
Foreign born blacks are A LOT different than African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).
Tragically, the United States has the lowest & lowliest black life form. In the form of African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).
So your saying when they were first born in Africa they were OK ? When they sailed over and started breeding they became corrupt. Must have been the work.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#170 Sep 4, 2013
UidiotRace ---- Another example. Which shows that "democracy" is NOT at the forefront.

What is at the forefront is whom one is aligned with. Whom one associates with.----

3. Haitis former presidents, Papa Doc (Aka --- Francois Duvalier) & Baby Doc (Aka --- Jean Claude Duvalier).---- It has been alleged that Papa Doc & Baby Doc were "dictatorial".

But, Papa Doc & Baby Doc were aligned with the United States, Israel & the United Kingdom.

THIS is what mattered.

The United States, Israel & the United Kingdom prefer Haitians like Papa Doc, Baby Doc, Emmanuel "Toto" Constant, Guy Philippe, Raoul Cedras, Marc Bazin, Joseph Nerette, Proper Avril, Emile Jonassaint &/or Boniface Alexander.

This is why.--- These Haitians are pro-Zionist, pro-United States, pro-Israel & pro-United Kingdom.

Even if these Haitians have a somewhat questionable past in regards to human rights.

Human rights is not at the forefront.

What matters is that they are pro-Zionist, pro-United States, pro-Israel & pro-United Kingdom.

The United States, Israel & the United Kingdom would rather these individuals.

Rather than having a left wing leader like a Fidel Castro in Cuba. Or a left wing democratically elected leader like a Hugo Chavez in Venezuela.

What matters is whom one is aligned with.

What matters is whom one associates with.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#171 Sep 4, 2013
UidiotRace ---- You said "mass murdering of people not of our race, religions".----

Well, the United States foreign policy is NOT predicated upon "race" or religion.

It is predicated upon ideology. The foreign governments, which other governments they align with.

The foreign organizations, which other organizations or governments which they align with.

If the black African governments or black African organizations are an enemy to the West.--- The West will undertake measures.

Examples of this.---

1. Left wing MPLA organization of Angola.

2. Left wing FRELIMO organization of Mozambique.

3. Ethiopias former left wing Derg dictatorship. Which was headed by left wing marxist, Haile Mengistu Mariam.

4. Left wing PAIGC organization of Guinea-Bissau.

5. Left wing ZIPRA organization of the former African nation of Rhodesia (Currently, Zimbabwe).
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#172 Sep 4, 2013
UidotRace ----

The United States, Israel & the United Kingdom don't mind black African nations having economic empowerment. If the black African nations are aligned with the United Staes, Israel & the United Kingdom.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#173 Sep 4, 2013
UidiotRaceMAKEWORLDPEACE wrote:
<quoted text>On Africa Visit, Bush Pushes Agenda of Continent-Wide U.S. Military Expansion
Condoleezza Rice is in Kenya, as we speak, and this morning she met with Kofi Annan, and she’s now meeting with Kibaki and Raila Odinga, and they’re calling for power sharing. Power sharing without democratization of the society, without a new constitution, without ending Kenya’s alliance with the US war on terror, without presenting people of Islamic faith as terrorists in Kenya.
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Your post above is in reference to our nations former Republican George Bush Jr. administration.

Your 7 points above.---- You are correct.

What the Bush Jr. administration did, was 150% correct.

The black African military expansion was for the black African Allies of the United States, Israel & the United Kingdom.

Condoleeza Rice was meeting with Kibaki & Raila Odinga. Kibaki & Raila have been (Still are) Allies of the United States, Israel & the United Kingdom.

It is just logical that Condi Rice would meet with & support the United States Allies.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#174 Sep 4, 2013
UidiotRaceMAKEWORLDPEACE wrote:
<quoted text>Power sharing without democratization of the society, without a new constitution, without ending Kenya’s alliance with the US war on terror, without presenting people of Islamic faith as terrorists in Kenya.
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Well, with the respective democratic system, what matters first & foremost is if this democracy is pro-United States, pro-Israel & pro-United Kingdom.

With the constitution of this foreign nation, what matters is what is written on this constitution. As long as nothing is written which is menacing against the United States, Israel or the United Kingdom.

Kenyas alliance with the United States is CRITICAL. Because the United States has been (Still is) engaged in an international war against radical Islam.

People who practice Islam should be monitored. Because of the United States & its Allies being engaged in an international war against radical Islam.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#175 Sep 4, 2013
UidiotRace ---- I have to step out now. I still have to respond back to 4 of your previous posts which you addressed to me. Hopefully, I should have some time by Sunday. Either way, I'll definitely get back to you.

In the meantime, later.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#176 Sep 16, 2013
Flyfart wrote:
<quoted text>So your saying when they were first born in Africa they were OK ? When they sailed over and started breeding they became corrupt. Must have been the work.
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No, I wasn't stating that. I wasn't implying that either.

In my one previous post to you, when I pointed out the differences between foreign born blacks & African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).-----

To expound upon my previous points.----

Clearly, African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) do have some African ancestry.

But, African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) developed VERY differently from foreign born blacks.

In regards to culture, customs & norms.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#177 Sep 16, 2013
Flyfart ----

Foreign born blacks ((Afro-Latinos (Afro-Dominicans, Afro-Boricuas, Afro-Cubanos, Afro-Panamanians, Afro-Colombians, Afro-Ecuadorians, Afro-Peruvians), blacks from the Anglophone (Jamaicans, Afro-Trinidadians, Afro-Guyanese, Afro-Belizeans, Grenadians, Bermudians, Bajans, Bahamians, Virgin Islanders), blacks from the French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations (Haitians, Martiniqueans, St. Lucians, St. Barthans) & blacks from Africa (Nigerians, Ghanaians, Senegalese, Ethiopians, Eritreans & Somalis))

are VERY much different from African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Foreign born blacks (All of the respective foreign born black groups which I listed in my paragraph above) pass up most African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves). Within just a few years after arriving in the United States.

This is why.---- Foreign born blacks are VERY much different than African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).

Especially in regards to culture.

Foreign born blacks are appreciative of the United States.

Foreign born blacks have honor, pride, respect, dignity, humility & self gratitude about themselves.

Foreign born blacks have goals, ambition, drive, desire, motivation, commitment & dedication.

Foreign born blacks value & cherish work ethic, family values, morals, decency, education, law & order.

All traits & attributes which most African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) lack.

One NEVER hears foreign born blacks ever whine or complain.

It is always one group & one group ONLY which whines & complains. Which are the one & only malcontents of the United States.---

African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves).
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#178 Sep 16, 2013
UidiotRace ----

You said "If you look at Africa Poverty rate and sad GNP".---- Well, clearly, the Gross National Product of black African nations is nothing near the Gross National Product of the United States. Or, of the Western European nations. Or, of the Eastern European nations.

Black African nations CANNOT be isolationist. They have to align up with nations which are outside of the continent of Africa.

Black African nations aligning up, which is their best path? For their upward mobility & empowerment?

In my next post, I'll list what happened when the black African nations which had left wing governments aligned up with the former Soviet Unions left wing communist dictatorship.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#179 Sep 16, 2013
UidiotRace ---- You said "few g6 allies take more from world than give back, most of people rarely see dime".----

Not true.

The United States, Israel & the United Kingdoms policies in black African nations have been this.---

1. Building of roads.

2. Building of railways.

3. Building of black Africas urban infrastructures.

4. Building of schools.

5. Building of hospitals.

6. Building of airports.

7. Cultivating of black Africas fields. For agricultural products.

8. Improvement of black Africas agriculture.

9. Improvement of black Africas farming methods.

10. Providing fresh water to black African nations.

11. Building of reservoirs in black African nations.

12. Providing of clothing to black African nations.

13. Providing school books to black African nations.

14. Improving the sanitation in black African nations.

15. Providing a lot of medicine to black African nations.

16. Building of many industries in black African nations.

17. Cultivation of the raw materials in many black African nations.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#180 Sep 16, 2013
UidiotRace ----

Black African nations CANNOT be isolationist. They have to align up with nations who are outside of the African continent.

What is the best path for black African nations? For their upward mobility & empowerment?

Black African nations which had left wing governments, which aligned up with the former Soviet Unions left wing communist dictatorship. Or, with Russia (After the former Soviet Union fell).---

What happened?---- NO economic growth. Even more economic decline. VERY terrible human rights abuses.

Here is a list of the most notable examples.---

1. MPLA left wing marxist dictatorship in Angola.

2. FRELIMO left wing marxist dictatorship in Mozambique.

3. The former left wing dictatorship in Tanzania. Which was headed by Julius Nyerere.

4. Ethiopias former left wing marxist dictatorship, the Derg. Which was headed by Haile Mengistu Miriam.

5. Zimbabwes left wing marxist dictatorship. Which is headed by Robert Mugabe.

6. Spanish Equatorial Guineas former left wing marxist dictatorship. Which was headed by Macias Nguema.

7. Guinea-Bissaus former left wing dictatorship. Which was headed by Amilcar Cabral.

8. Liberias former left wing dictatorship. Which was headed by Charles Taylor.

Each & every one of these black African nations which had these left wing regimes.---- Experienced economic decline. VERY massive economic decline at this.

These 8 left wing dictatorships.---- Caused the deaths of OVER 30 million black Africans.

Due to mass killings. Coupled with deliberate forced starvations.

Also, due to failed economic policies.

The failed economic policies of these 8 left wing dictatorships led to many millions of black Africans to suffer. To die due to malnutrition, starvation &/or due to diseases.

Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#181 Sep 16, 2013
UidiotRace ---- Black African nations CANNOT be isolationist. They have to align up with nations which are outside of the African continent.

What is the best path for the black African nations? For their upward mobility & empowerment?---

The United States, Israel & the United Kingdom.

Here is a list of many examples which show this.---

1. Somalia.---- 1978.---- The United States, Israel & the United Kingdom were guiding Somalia.

When Somalia had Siad Barre as president. Siad first embraced capitalism back in 1978.

Siad did this right after Somalia conducted their war against Ethiopia.

From 1978 till 1991.---- Somalia tried out capitalism.

From 1978 till 1982.--- Somalia experienced some growth.

After 1982.--- Somlia experienced some bad agricultural yields.

It was mainly due to Somalias agriculture being disrupted due to internal strife. Civil wars between rival factions within Somalia.

With most of these factions being supported by Ethiopias former left wing marxist Derg dictatorship.

2. Somalia.---- 2004.---- Somalia got a new Transitional Federal Government (TFG).

Again, the United States, Israel & the United Kingdom started guiding Somalia in capitalism.

From 2004 till now.---- There are sectors in Somalia which are experiencing growth. Especially in the south of Somalia.

3. Ethiopia.---- 1991.---- The United States, Israel & the United Kingdom began to guide Ethiopia in capitalism.

From 1991 till now.--- Ethiopia, under the leadership of the Ethiopian People's Revolutionary Democratic Front (EPRDF). Their leaders, Meles Zenawi (Recently, he passed away, RIP) & Hailemariam Desalegn.----

Many sectors in Ethiopia have experienced growth.

Ethiopia is being guided by the United States, Israel & the United Kingdom.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#182 Sep 16, 2013
UidiotRace --- Other examples.---- Which shows that black African nations path for upward mobility & empowerment DOESN'T rest with Russia or China.

It rests with the United States, Israel & the United Kingdom. Here are the other examples.----

4. Eitrea.---- 1991.---- Eritrea got their independence from Ethiopia.---

The United States, Israel & the United Kingdom began to guide Eritrea in capitalism.

From 1991 till now.---- Eritrea, under the leadership of the Eritrean People's Liberation Front (EPLF). Its leader, Isaias Afewerki.---

Many sectors in Eritrea have grown.

5. Liberia.---- 1980.---- The United States, Israel & the United Kingdom guided Liberia in capitalism.

When Liberia had their former president, Samuel Doe.

From 1980 till 1989.---- Liberia experienced growth.

1989 till 2003.--- Liberias growth was destroyed due to 2 major civil wars.

But, Liberia, under their new president, Ellen Johnson Sirleaf.---- Has reattempted capitalism.

There are sectors in Liberia which are growing.

The Liberian government.---- Is being guided by the United States, Israel & the United Kingdom.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#183 Sep 16, 2013
UidiotRace ---- Some last examples.---- Which shows that black African nations path for upward mobility does NOT rest with Russia or China.

It rests with the United States, Israel & the United Kingdom.---

Here are the other examples.----

6. Ghana.

7. Kenya.

8. Zambia.

Ghana, Kenya & Tanzania have experienced economic growth.

Ghana, Kenya & Tanzania are being guided by the United States, Israel & the United Kingdom.

Black African nations hope for upward mobility & empowerment has rested with the United States, Israel & the United Kingdom.

Black African nations hope for upward mobility & empowerment STILL rests with the United States, Israel & the United Kingdom.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#185 Sep 22, 2013
nutswell wrote:
At this point Johnny, you are talking to yourself.
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My last batch of posts on this thread were addressed to the poster "UidiotRace". UidiotRace addressed several posts to me on August 19 & 22. I was just responding back to him. I listed many different examples which refuted his previous claims.

This is a public forum. For blog discussions & debates.

I have had many, many blog discussions & debates with UdiotRace. Despite him coming from opposite ends of the political spectrum than what I'm coming from, our blog discussions & debates have always been amicable.
PDX Dave

Portland, OR

#186 Sep 22, 2013
Perhaps you should spend less time "being black" and spend more time "being an American". You and all other black people and people of every race have the same rights, responsibilities, and opportunities as others. If you're concerned about being a second-class citizen, then perhaps you should stop acting like one! And also black people do have their own country, it's called Africa. How's that going for them? I'm just saying.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#187 Sep 23, 2013
PDX Dave ----

You said "Perhaps you should spend less time "being black"and spend more time "being an American".----

Well, African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) are always & contantly displaying double talk & hypocrisy.

Here are a couple of examples which show this.----

1. African Americans are always saying that Whites should not look at race.

But, African Americans are always & constantly looking at race.

2. African Americans are always saying
"black pride" or "black power". Or, they are saying "African American pride" or "African American power".

But, each & every time that African Americans are in NEED of help from other Americans (Which is always), African Americans then play down their race. African Americans then state "that we are all Americans & that we are all in this together".

African Americans state that "Whitey should help their African American brothers & sisters".

African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) are always & constantly displaying double talk & hypocrisy.

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