#3254 Mar 29, 2013
Desmond --- I have to step out now. I still have to respond back to your last 4 posts which you addressed to me. I might have some time by Sunday. If not, definitely by Tuesday. Either way, I'll definitely get back to you.
#3255 Mar 29, 2013
How would you know. What is your experience? Have you ever fought competitively or even trained in ANY fighting system?
Everyone wants to be an armchair warrior.
#3256 Mar 29, 2013
Stop youir lying, fella. You came right into this thread attacking me , slandering me , insulting me by calling me an African-American and black when I am neither. YOu constantly troll on my posts, twisting them. When I returned the favor, you began getting very childish and acting like you have been smoking crack. You are also lying by saying I am all different people, I ask for proof, youy cannot give any nor can back-up anything that you state here. Yet you constantly tell your lies. I came into this thread with good intentions while you came here to troll and tell a bunch of bs. Now you are pretending that you have ring experience.
The only ring experience you have is in the Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus ring of Topix.
#3257 Mar 29, 2013
There you go again. It is you " yet another very stupid, juvenile & childish post."
You know nohing abuot me yet you are going to throw your siht at me....
You are reverting back into your ancestry found in Ethiopia..
#3258 Mar 29, 2013
When you say,all of those blacks are caught for attacking and killng Caucasians, it goes to show what you are a Nerd, fella. Yes, a NERD. I will fill you in on something here, Nerd: Now the blacks that are caught and go to jail or prison for kicking your arse for being white, you are PAYING for their food, lodging and so forth for kicking your arse and maybe even killing you. Something else here too, they get more nasty and vicious while in jail or prison. More nasty and vicious for when they get out of jail , Johnny. In addition to paying for their food and lodging, when they get out of jail/prison, you pay for their bus ride out of there too. Johnny, have you ever been jumped by a gang of blacks? Or maybe just one and then many join in to get a piece of you? Have they ever tried to kill you? I bet none of that. Like I say, other than the fights that you start on Topix with your trolling bs, I doubt that you have ever been in a fight in your life. Kids probably used to take your lunch money from you in school because they knew that you would not standup for yourself and what is yours. Poor little fella. Now you have found Topix in where you can attack people with text in where you cannot be taken to task, so now you spend your every waking moment trying to get revenge- Revenge Of The Nerds. Okay, so you say you are not Caucasian ..
#3259 Mar 29, 2013
Yes, putting his black attackers in jail to get nastier, more vicious, dangerous and to hate Caucasians even more than they did before. Johnny does not realize that he is paying for those blacks to get that training, food, housing, utilities and paying their bus fares when they get out of jail. Now while johnny feels safe because he thinks his black attackers are in jail, Johnny is on the bus headed for one of those nerd places like onoobie or a place like that one of his attacker has just got out of jail on an early release and is on that same bus as Johnny, riding in the back of the bus. His black attacker remembers him- remembers that Johnny ran away scared ,didnt stick-up for himself and then told on him. Black attacker thinks about that and his jail stint and as his anger rises, he watches Johnny like a hawk from the back of the bus. Black attacker decides to ride bus until Johnny gets off of the bus . Johnny is coming up to his stop, he stands up and is waiting by back door for the stop. Black attacker has his eyes fixed on Johnny, watching him closely. Right when the bus stops , black attacker heads swiftly for back door where johnny is just stepping off of the step , black attacker winds-up and using the step for leverage, he launches ..((((POW!!!)))) right hook from behind landing straight on Johnnys jaw, dropping him like a sack of potatoes. Johnny looks up, black attacker draws back his foot and (((POOOWWW!!!!))) right foot connects directly on the side of Johnnys face right next to his eyeball, popping his eyeball out of the socket. Black attacker runs off with Johnnys laptop leaving Johnny on the ground with his eyeball dangling from the socket hanging by the nerves, wiring or whatever you want to call them. Black attacker is never to be seen again( pun not intended). Poor thing, Johnny paid for his black attackers food, housing, training and bus fare only to be broken once again, poor little Humpty Dumpty. Johnnys theory; Oh well, hopefully he will do it again to someone else and gets put back in jail. Again, Johnny does not realize that he is paying for that persons food, lodging, bus tickets and so forth. He also does not realize that when that black attacker gets out of jail AGAIN, black attacker might just be on the same bus as Johnny. Once again .(((PPOOOWW!!))) boxing Johnnys ears Haha!
Dig wum sayin, lil fella? You funny, funny, little booger! God damn , you make me laugh.
So where am I posting in all of those different threads,,hmm? Provide links or shut your pie hole about that.
First, you claim that I am black, I proved that wrong and now well, you are claiming that I am posting all over Topix. Geez man.
Since: Jan 11
#3260 Mar 30, 2013
you're wrong on both accounts.
first of all, marciano.
- marciano was too short and small he would have been at a huge size disadvantage.
- marciano was very slow-handed even for such a small guy
- marciano was very slow-footed and even clumsy footed.
- marciano's defense was his face.
- marciano's record of 49-0 is deceptive. first of all, he lost to ezzard charles in their first fight. charles easily outboxed him. also, marciano arguably lost to roland lastarza, another guy who could jab and counter punch a little.
- marciano's competition was the weakest era ever before the present era ...it was post ww2. boxing was rebuilding and all the top fighters were old men like walcott and charles and archie moore. walcott at 37 was the oldest man ever to hold the title. he had won the title from charles who was really a light heavyweight and over the hill. moore was the oldest fighter in existence at the time.
- as old and way past his prime as he was, walcott droppped marciano and was beating marciano's a88 for 13 rounds before he got hit by a lucky shot.
- walcott was older than joe louis. louis had beat him twice, the first fight being somewhat controversial.
charles was a lightheavyweight...so was mooore.
- against a young, prime ali, marciano would have been ripped to threads and dumped on his a88 in 2 or 3 rounds. against an older ali, marciano would have been badly battered and knocked out...ali could take the best punches of foreman, frazier, quarry, etc...marciano was too slow and ali woulda busted him up with complete ease.
Since: Jan 11
#3261 Mar 30, 2013
joe louis was a far better fighter than marciano...joe louis was ahead of his time. but as great as louis was for the 1930's, ali was equally ahead of his time. ali was the sugar ray robinson of the heavyweights. he was untouchable in his prime. now as he got older, he showed a combination of skill, brains and guts that's never been seen before in boxing.
-louis was too slow footed....joe had very fast hands and punched in combinations, but he was not a very mobile fighter. that was his primary weakness. agains white fighters it was ok, because they all came directly at louis and he would just blow them out...but ali would have made him pay by moving around the ring and landing jabs, hooks and right crosses from different angles. the way billy conn made louis work. but conn got stupid and tried to slug and got blown out too. but louis showed against walcott and charles that he could be outboxed if the other guy knew how to use the rinng and punch from different angles... also, louis was only 6 foot tall, quite a bit shorter than ali and not as fast as ali.
ali would have stopped louis late or won an easy 12 round decision.
#3262 Mar 30, 2013
Pro sports in general has been rigged for a long time. Social engineering more than anything. This is why the white man is kept out. Don King the ex-con should be the first clue.
They take dives. Tyson did nothing.
Then Tommy Morrison somehow made it to the top and defeated the one after Tyson, only to be told he had HIV. To this day he maintains he does not have HIV. Doesnt matter ruined his career.
In this manner was the black president made popular.
#3263 Mar 30, 2013
Desmond ---- In regards to your previous post to me,#3242.--- You said "having a white mother and being raised by white people doesn't provide any inherent advantages".---- Oh, it VERY much does.
ESPECIALLY in regards to this respective dynamic.--- How White-Americans will view the dude/woman who is part African American & part White.
Right off the bat.-- Since the person is part African American & part White.--- Whites will view this person as being a more acceptable person.
Compared to if the person came from an African American father & an African American mother.
You said "many bm with white mothers who were raised to some extent by their racist white grandparents turn out to be really fked up and confused".--- You are 150% correct about this.
Still & regardless.--- Since this person comes from an African American parent & a White parent.--- Right off the bat, Whites view this person as being a more acceptable person.
Compared to if the person came from an African American father & an African American mother.
#3264 Mar 30, 2013
Desmond --- You said "As a kid, obama was accepted and loved by his asian, pacific islander classmates...he was not neglected by his teachers and he was not subject to all the ghettoization and urban blight and despair that tends to bring down a lotta young black men before they know what's going on".---
You are 150% right on the mark about your 4 points above.
You said "in other words, coming from hawaii and indonesia gave obama an advantage that many young black men don't have and grounded him for success".--- You are absolutely correct about this.
But, EVEN if Barack had grown up in a numerically dominant White-American community.--- Obama would have had MANY advantages.
OVER what Americans who came from an African American father & an African American mother have.
Since Barack came from a White mother. Since Baracks father was NOT a descendant of a black American slave.--- Right off the bat, Barack was viewed by White-Americans.--- As being a more acceptable person.
Compared to if Obama came from an African American father & an African American mother.
It was ESPECIALLY due to Obamas mother being White.---- As to why White-Americans would view Barack as being a more acceptable person.
Since Baracks mother was White.---- Obama was GIVEN opportunities in life.
Which would NOT have been available, for Americans who came from an African American father & an African American mother.
#3265 Mar 30, 2013
Desmond ---- You said "Although many blacks do have a bad diet and lifestyle whites have an equally bad diet & lifestyle..".---- Uh, nope, not at all.
You said "if a black person and a white person go to same hospital for the same sickness, the white person will generally get better treatment".--- Even "if" this would be the case, still & regardless.--- This wouldn't be that critical &/or fatal to the African American (Descendant of a black American slave).
This is a NON factor.
#3266 Mar 30, 2013
Desmond ---- You said "which mirrors the criminal justice system in which blacks go to jail for the exact same crimes do not go to jail for".--- Well whoa. You are omitting several, VERY critical factors.
As to WHY African American (Descendants of black American slaves) receiver STIFFER sentences.
Here are the reasons as to why. It is primarily because of these 3 mitigating & critical factors.--
1. The African American defendant used some violence when committing the crime.
Especially if a gun or knife was used.
This increases the sentence.
2. The African American defendant had a large quantity of drugs.
3. The African American defendant had several (If not many) prior convictions.
Even if these previous convictions were not drug related, it DOES factor in with the sentencing.
Here are several other mitigating factors which results in African American defendants receiving stiffer sentences.---
4. Resisting arrest.
6. Obstruction of justice.
7. Giving false information.
8. Possession with the intent of distribution.
9. Malicious conduct.
10. Assault upon a United States (US) government official.
#3267 Mar 30, 2013
Desmond --- In regards to your previous post to me,#3244.---- You said "although there were some black newspapers and magazines at the time, whites had far more media and the TV and radio and movies, etc that went around the world".--- True.
You said "so great players like josh gibson or buck o'neil would not get the national and international recognition of a ty cobb or ted williams".--- Granted, Ty Cobb & Ted Williams did get more national & international media coverage & recognition.
But, the White media also reported on & recognized Josh Gibson & Buck O'Neil.
Albeit less so.
But, still & regardless.---- Josh, Buck & the other top African American (Descendants of black American slaves) players in the Negro League DID get coverage & recognition.
In addition, when the Negro League was around.--- The teams & players from the Dominican Republic (DR), Cuba, Puerto Rico, Venezuela & Mexico did get coverage & recognition.
Including the Afro-Latino baseball players from the Dominican Republic (DR), Cuba, Puerto Rico & Venezuela.
Clearly, in regards to the United States (US) media & international media.--- The teams & players from the Dominican Republic (DR), Cuba, Puerto Rico, Venezuela & Mexico did get less coverage.
Compared to what the non-Hispanic White players in the US got.
But, still & regardless.-- All of the teams & players from the Dominican Republic (DR), Cuba, Puerto Rico, Venezuela & Mexico did get coverage & recognition.
#3268 Mar 30, 2013
Desmond ---- You said "even though josh and buck guys were much better players".--- Oh (With all due respect), this is VERY debatable.
Clearly, Josh Gibson & Buck O'Neil had very good hitting statistics. Buck was a very good fieldier & runner.
BUT, the pitchers in the Negro League were not that good.
The only top pitcher in the Negro League was Satchel Paige. That was it.
When the United States (US) baseball league was segregated.--- The White baseball league had WAY better pitchers.
Compared to the Negro League.
So, Ty Cobb & Ted Williams faced WAY better pitchers.
Compared to the pitchers which Josh Gibson & Buck O'Neil faced.
#3270 Mar 30, 2013
Desmond ---- In regards to your previous post to me,#3246.--- You said "you're talking styles...not physical equipment".--- Actually, both. Styles, as well as a boxers physical equipment.
You said "Chuck Wepner, bugner, chuvalo and all those guys couldn't hit as hard as ali".--- In regards to their single, one punch, power punch.--- Chuck Wepner, Joe Bugner & George Chuvalo did hit harder than Ali.
Way more so, all of these other opponents which Muhammad Ali faced had a single, one punch, power punch.--- Which was way harder than Alis.--
Earnie Shavers, George Foreman, Sonny Liston, Cleveland Williams, Ernie Terrell, Buster Mathis & Joe Frazier.
You said "It's just that ali was naturally a counter-puncher who preferred to outbox opponents instead of wading in face-first to a hail of punches like chuvalo, bugner, quarry, etc..".---- You are absolutely correct about this.
#3271 Mar 30, 2013
People in the United States (US) who classify as "African American" are at around 13.6%.
People in the US who classify as "Hispanic" are at 16.7%.
Legal Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) ALONE are at LEAST 52,045,277 of the USs population.
This just takes into account JUST the legal Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included). This doesn't even take into account the 20-25 million illegal Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) throughout the US.
In addition, the percentage & proportion of Americas African American population will be going down in years to come. Due to the social engineering policies of the US federal government.
Due to these 2 VERY critical factors.---
1. Back in 2000.--- The US federal government officially got rid of the "one drop rule" in regards to "race". Implemented the "2 or more races" (Multiracial / mixed) category.
From 2000 till now, Americans who come from an African American parent & a White parent.--- Have very much been encouraged to classify as 2 or more races (Multiracial / mixed).
Which they have.
This is fracturing & fragmenting the African American "community".
2. From 2000 till now.--- Blacks in America who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa have been encouraged to seek SEPARATE classification. DIFFERENT from African Americans.
Blacks in America who have ancestral roots from the Anglophone, French / Creole speaking Caribbean black nations & from Africa haven't received the separate classification yet. But, in due time, they will.
Once this happens, this will even FURTHER fracture & fragment the African American "community" even more.
#3272 Mar 30, 2013
zander --- Legal Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) ALONE number in at around 52,045,277.
Illegal Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) throughout the United States (US) number in at 20-25 million,
So, legal & illegal Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) number in at 72,045,277 --- 77,045,277.
Illegal Hispanics HAVE to be included with legal Hispanics.
This is why.--- The USs Hispanic lobbying organizations represent the interests of legal Hispanics as well as illegal Hispanics.
The US has identity politics.
The US has group dynamics, racial dynamics & racial politics.
Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) don't have the critical, mass numbers throughout the US yet. But, in years to come, they will.
Once this happens, Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) will then have the "Honorary Minority Status" & the "Preferential Minority Status" with the US federal government.
For aid, jobs, government contracts, set asides, housing, health care & education.
Hispanics (Afro-Latinos included) will be totally undercutting, phasing out & displacing African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) in the US.
Making most African Americans (Descendants of black American slaves) a PERMANENT underclass in the US.
This is just for starts.
In years to come, these will be the dominant groups in this nation.---
1. Non-Hispanic Whites.
Among the Hispanics, the 2 top, major Hispanic groups will be the Mexicans & the Dominicans.
#3273 Mar 30, 2013
Desmond --- You said "but ali proved against guys like zora folley, cleveland williams and brian london and karl mildenberger, that he had real knockout power when he put his mind to it".-- Yes & no.
Granted, Muhammad won over Cleveland Williams by a 3rd round tko. Ali won over Zora Foley by a 7th round ko. Muhammad won over Brian London by a 3rd round ko.
But, Karl Mildenberger took Ali to the 12th round.
Now, Muhammad did win against all of these other respective opponents. But, these opponents took Ali into very late rounds.
Here are the examples.---
1. Muhammad vs. Duke Sabedong.--- Ali did win. But, it was via a 10 round decision.
2. Muhammad vs. Alonzo Johnson.-- Ali did win. But, it was via a 10 round decision.
3. Muhammad vs. Doug Jones.--- Ali did win. But, it was via a 10 round decision.
4. Muhammad vs. Floyd Patterson.--- Ali did win. But, it was via a 12th round tko.
5. Muhammad vs. George Chuvalo.--- Ali did win. But, it was via a 15 round decision.
6. Muhammad vs. Ernie Terrell.---- Ali did win. But, it was via a 15 round decision.
7. Muhammad vs. Oscar Bonavena.--- Ali did win. But, it was via a 15 round tko.
8. Muhammd vs. Jimmy Ellis.--- Ali did win. But, it was via a 12 round tko.
9. Muhammad vs. Buster Mathis.--- Ali did win. But, it was via a 12 round decision.
10. Muhammad vs. Mac Foster.--- Ali did win. But, it was via a 15 round decision.
11. Muhammad vs. George Chuvalo.--- Ali did win. But, it was via a 12 round decision.
12. Muhammad vs. Alvin Lewis.--- Ali did win. But, it was via an 11th round tko.
13. Muhammad vs. Joe Bugner.-- Ali did win. But, it was via a decision.
14. Muhammad vs. Rudi Lubbers.--- Ali did win. But, it was via a 12th round decision.
15. Muhammad vs. Joe Frazier (Their second fight).--- Ali did win. But, it was via a 12th round decision.
16. Muhammad vs. Chuck Wepner.--- Ali did win. But, it was via a 15th round tko.
17. Muhammad vs. Joe Bugner.---- Muhammad did win. But, it was via a 15 round decision.
18. Muhammad vs. Joe Frazier (Their 3rd fight).--- Ali did win. But, it was via a 14th round rtd.
19. Muhammad vs. Jimmy Young.--- Ali did win. But, it was via a 15 round decision.
20. Muhammad vs. Ken Norton.--- Ali did win. But, it was via a 15 round decision.
21. Muhammad vs. Alfredo Evangelista.-- Ali did win. But, it was via a 15 round decision.
22. Muhammad vs. Earnie Shavers.--- Ali did win. But, it was via a 15 round decision.
23. Muhammad vs. Leon Spinks.--- Ali did win. But, it was via a 15 round decision.
This is the premise.---- Muhammad was NOT the hardest puncher. FAR from it.
Especially in regards to the single, one punch, power punch.
#3274 Mar 30, 2013
Desmond --- You said "Ali also proved in the frazier fights and the foreman fight that he was a tough, tough son of a gun and that it was virtually impossible to stop him".-- Correct.
Oh yeah, Muhammad Ali had a very good chin. Ali had a very good threshold of pain.
You said "Don't let the man's style of being on his toes and throwing combinations fool you into believing he was not capable of a vicious attack".--- Somewhat true.
But, Ali was NOT the hardest puncher. FAR from it.
In my previous response back to you, I listed many examples which show that even in Muhammads victories.--- The fights went into the very late rounds.
Alis main offensive attack was his arm speed, hand speed, jabs & punch combinations.
To wear his opponents out over an aggregate of rounds.
Muhammad did NOT have the single, one punch, power punch. Such as what Rocky Marciano, Earnie Shavers & George Foreman had.
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