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UIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeace

United States

#3031 Nov 18, 2012
Destabilizing the second presidency

"The U.S. Agency for International Development and the International Republican Institute spent tens of millions of dollars to create and organize an opposition."

Robinson explains how the U.S. undermined Aristide's second presidency through propaganda and support for the political and military opposition. He quotes Mark Weisbrot, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research in Washington, D.C., on the efforts of the International Republican Institute: "'The fix was in: The U.S. Agency for International Development and the International Republican Institute (the international arm of the Republican Party) had spent tens of millions of dollars to create and organize an opposition - however small in numbers - and to make Haiti under Aristide ungovernable.'"

To elucidate the U.S. role in training and arming the rebels, Robinson quotes from a report of the Investigation Commission on Haiti that included attorney Brian Concannon, Fr. Luis Barrios and former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark:

"There is no doubt that the territory of the Dominican Republic was used for training and arming the Haitian rebels with the knowledge of the [Dominican] authorities, and that their attack was launched from Dominican soil," the report said. "U.S. military officials have confirmed that 20,000 M16 rifles were given by the U.S. to the Dominican Republic after November 2002 and admitted that many of those rifles were now in the hands of the Haitian rebels...."

Further destabilizing the poor nation, Washington blocked $146 million Inter-American Development Bank aid that was to fund projects such as clean drinking water, health, education and roads.
UIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeace

United States

#3032 Nov 18, 2012
Feb. 29

In the buildup to the February 29 coup, the rebel band took over a number of small Haitian towns by capturing local police stations. Secretary of State Collin Powell reportedly said - and the media erroneously reported - that the rebels were set to march on Port-au-Prince, a city of some 3 million persons and kill the president. "The few police brave enough to contest [the rebels] then had no way to answer their firepower. The rebels, outfitted smartly in baggy camouflage with bulletproof vests and steel helmets, had good reason to expect that the mere sight of them would scare the bejesus out of lightly armed policemen defending a lightly staffed police post, miles and mountains distant from Port-au-Prince...," Robinson writes.

The military activity was a "smokescreen" to pressure Aristide to resign, "not a serious army," Robinson says.

"Secretary of State Collin Powell reportedly said - and the media erroneously reported - that the rebels were set to march on Port-au-Prince, a city of some 3 million persons and kill the president."

A truck carrying television crews followed the rebels, whose task, according to Robinson, "was to terrorize the countryside outside of Port-au-Prince - to hack, murder, burn, loot, raze - to tear a fiery swath of destruction across the northern half of Haiti...and maximize the news media's coverage of what appeared to be the inexorable fall of the democratic government, village by defenseless village."

Voluntary flight

Did the Aristides leave voluntarily? Robinson says they would have prepared. They had not packed bags, didn't tell friends they would leave and the day before the kidnapping, had been making preparations for interviews in Port-au-Prince with Tavis Smiley and George Stephanopoulous.

The U.S. media was complicit in making it appear that Aristide left voluntarily, Robinson says. "The American television networks had been airing old footage shot in natural light at the Port-au-Prince airport showing President Aristide without his wife, shaking hands and making his way along a line of government ministers before boarding a nearby commercial aircraft. The networks represented the footage to be pictures of the president's voluntary departure from Haiti."

The reality, according to Robinson, was that the president and his wife were put on an airplane by U.S. officials before dawn Feb. 29; the aircraft was not a commercial plane; no members of the Aristide government and no media were at the airport. The Aristides were taken to the Central African Republic (CAR) against their will.

Robinson tells how he, along with Rep. Maxine Waters and others, flew to CAR and secured the Aristides' release. But despite having an elected president in Haiti today - after two years of U.S. appointed interim rule - the country has not regained its sovereignty and Aristide remains in forced exile in South Africa. Haiti continues to be controlled by foreigners, which includes a military occupation of some 8,800 United Nations troops.

"Sadly, real democracy remains a long way off for Haiti," Robinson writes. "For how can any reasonable observer contend to the contrary as long as foreign powers, directly or indirectly, remain bent on preventing Jean-Bertrand Aristide, Haiti's most widely respected humanist and democrat, from returning home to his own country."
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#3033 Nov 18, 2012
UIdiotRaceMAkeWorldPeace ---- You said "Instead of Haiti owing any debt to the U.S., other countries or international financial institutions, the reverse is the case. The U.S., France, Canada and the UN owe the people of Haiti reparations to redress the imperial plunder of the country".--- For many, many decades, Haiti has been given A LOT of ecnonomic aid. Also, much military assistance.

But, with ANY aid, there are many stipulations associated with these respective forms of aid.

Haitis former president, leftist Jean-Bertrand Aristide wasn't following the paths directed via the written legal contract stipulations.

This is why there were disagreements.

Former Haitian leaders like Papa Doc (Aka --- Francois Duvalier), Baby Doc (Aka -- Jean-Claude Duvalier), Madame Max Adolphe, Emmanuel "Toto" Constant, Guy Philppe, Louis-Jodel Chamblain, Marc Bazin, Joseph Nerette, Proper Avril, Emile Jonassaint, Raoul Cedras & Boniface Alexander

NEVER caused any friction for Washington D.C., Jerusalem &/or London.

When America, Israel &/or the United Kingdom (UK) allocate aid to any nation(s) of the developing world.

There are many written legal contracts which must be adhered to.

Also, whenever the International Monetary Fund (IMF) &/or World Bank dispense aid to any nation(s) of the developing world.

There are many written legal contracts which are stipulted.
UIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeace

United States

#3034 Nov 18, 2012
Johnny wrote:
UIdiotRaceMAkeWorldPeace --- You said "The U.S. has plundered Haitian society for decades".--- Not true.
The United States (US) federal government & American businesses have put investments into Haiti.
Via these investments, the Haitian masses benefit.
Via these investments, the US federal gov't & American businesses get returns.
99% of Haiti people still live in extreme poverty , if you look at Stat Alamanc

Poverty in Haiti - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_Haiti

With a Gross Domestic Product (GDP) estimate of US$6.56 billion in 2009, Haiti is routinely regarded as one of the poorest nations in the western hemisphere. Based on .
UIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeace

United States

#3035 Nov 18, 2012
WikiLeaks points to US meddling in Haiti | Kim Ives | Comment is ...
www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2... ...

Jan 21, 2011 ∑ At root was US fear of Haiti's anti-slavery,... is driven by profiteering. Haiti is the poorest country in the western hemisphere by far,...
UIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeace

United States

#3036 Nov 18, 2012
Haiti Is Open for Business
www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2010/... ...

Haiti Is Open for Business
February 15th, 2010

by Stephen Lendman

In December 1984, Canada's conservative prime minister, Brian Mulroney, told the New York Economic Club that "Canada is open for business," meaning US companies were welcome, the two countries would work for greater economic integration, America's sovereignty took precedence of his own, and corporate interests from both countries could operate freely at the expense of most Canadians.

That's always been Haiti's curse, now more than ever. Under American militarized control, Haiti is occupied for profit, its pseudo government largely invisible, and predators aim to cash in to the fullest. On January 21, in his article titled, "Securing disaster in Haiti," Peter Hallward explained, saying:

"....the US-led relief operation has conformed to the three fundamental tendencies that have shaped the more general course of the island's recent history. It has adopted military priorities and strategies. It has sidelined Haiti's own leaders and government, and ignored the needs of the majority of its people. And it has proceeded in ways that reinforce the already harrowing gap between rich and poor. All three tendencies aren't just connected, they are mutually reinforcing.(They'll also) govern the imminent reconstruction effort as well, unless determined political action is taken to counteract them."
UIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeace

United States

#3037 Nov 18, 2012
Johnny wrote:
UIdiotRaceMAkeWorldPeace ---- You said "Instead of Haiti owing any debt to the U.S., other countries or international financial institutions, the reverse is the case. The U.S., France, Canada and the UN owe the people of Haiti reparations to redress the imperial plunder of the country".--- For many, many decades, Haiti has been given A LOT of ecnonomic aid. Also, much military assistance.
But, with ANY aid, there are many stipulations associated with these respective forms of aid.
Haitis former president, leftist Jean-Bertrand Aristide wasn't following the paths directed via the written legal contract stipulations.
This is why there were disagreements.
Former Haitian leaders like Papa Doc (Aka --- Francois Duvalier), Baby Doc (Aka -- Jean-Claude Duvalier), Madame Max Adolphe, Emmanuel "Toto" Constant, Guy Philppe, Louis-Jodel Chamblain, Marc Bazin, Joseph Nerette, Proper Avril, Emile Jonassaint, Raoul Cedras & Boniface Alexander
NEVER caused any friction for Washington D.C., Jerusalem &/or London.
When America, Israel &/or the United Kingdom (UK) allocate aid to any nation(s) of the developing world.
There are many written legal contracts which must be adhered to.
Also, whenever the International Monetary Fund (IMF) &/or World Bank dispense aid to any nation(s) of the developing world.
There are many written legal contracts which are stipulted.
Robert Naiman
Toward Freedom magazine, November 1999, p2

"When the IMF and the World Bank force a country to cut wages, lay off workers, produce for export instead of their own people, and sell off public property to cronies for less than its vallue, that's called "economic reform."

====

Edward S. Herman

The United States has given frequent and enthusiastic support to the overthrow of democracy in favor of "investor friendly" regimes. The World Bank, IMF, and private banks have consistently lavished huge sums on terror regimes, following their displacement of democratic governments, and a number of quantitative studies have shown a systematic positive relationship between U.S. and IMF / World Bank aid to countries and their violations of human rights.
UIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeace

United States

#3038 Nov 18, 2012
ADD!

Harvard economist Jeffrey Sachs

Blowback - Chalmers Johnson p210

The IMF is essentially a covert arm of the U.S. Treasury, yet beyond congressional oversight because it is formally an international organization. Its voting rules ensure that it is dominated by the United States and its allies. India and China have fewer votes in the IMF, for example, than the Netherlands. As the prominent Harvard economist Jeffrey Sachs puts its, "Not unlike the days when the British Empire placed senior officials directly into the Egyptian and Ottoman [and also the Chinese] financial ministries, the IMF is insinuated into the inner sanctums of nearly 75 developing country governments around the world - countries with a combined population of some 1.4 billion.
UIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeace

United States

#3039 Nov 18, 2012
Programmed to Fail
by Walden Bello and Shalmali Guttal
Multinational Monitor, July/August 2005

The [World] Bank, like the IMF, serves as an extension of U.S. corporate and strategic interests.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#3040 Nov 18, 2012
UIdiotRaceMAkeWorldPeace wrote:
<quoted text>In the twilight of dawn, U.S. forces kidnapped a sovereign head of state from the Caribbean, sent him to a French-dominated neo-colony prison in Africa
__________

Aristide was handed over to American authorities. American military &/or special forces could not have done such an undertaking.

Considering possible negative political fallout from foreign heads of state.

Also, considering possible legal fall out from the International Criminal Court (ICC) in the Hague.

Prior to Aristide being handed over to American authorities.--- There was an invasion of Haitian territory by Haitian, Dominican & Jamaican Paramilitaries / Death Squads. Cut the main communication wires. Also, blocked out sound systems.

The Haitian, Dominican & Jamaican Paramilitaries / Death Squads totally overpowered the much, much smaller Haitian forces which were loyal to Aristide.

Haitian generals & officers who were loyal to Aristide were neutralized outright.

Haitian, Dominican & Jamaican Paramilitaries / Death Squads surrounded the Haitian presidential quarters in Port-au-Prince. Forced their way inside. Seized Aristide & his family.

For a little over 48 hours time, American authorities didn't know Aristides whereabouts. American authorities thought that Aristide & his family may have been shot.

At a little over 48 hours time after Aristide & his family being seized, a Haitian Paramilitary / Death Squad leader directly telephoned George Bush Jr. in Washington D.C..

Raisenth asked Bush Jr. if he wanted Aristide & his family shot.

Bush Jr. said "No, that would be too drastic".

Bush Jr. said to "Hand him over to American authorities".

Which the Haitian, Dominican & Jamaican Paramilitaries / Death Squads did.

Here's another example which shows that American authorities did NOT play the "direct" role in Aristide & his family being abducted.---

After Aristide & his family were turned over to American authorities, it was NOT American military &/or special forces which conducted operations. Against Aristides supporters throughout Haiti.

It was the Haitian, Dominican & Jamaican Paramilitaries / Death Squads which did.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#3041 Nov 18, 2012
UIdiotRaceMAkeWorldPeace --- You said "In Haiti in 1986, 7000 tons of rice were imported, the main staple food of the country. The vast majority was grown in Haiti".--- This is true.

You said "In the late 1980s Haiti complied with free trade policies advocated by the international lending agencies and lifted tariffs on rice imports".--- Correct.

This was VERY positive to Haitian society.

Especially very beneficial to the Haitian farmers & Haitian masses.
UIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeace

United States

#3043 Nov 18, 2012
John Perkins



The World Bank is not really a world bank at all; it is, rather, a US bank. Ditto its closest sibling, the IMF.
UIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeace

United States

#3044 Nov 18, 2012
Jean-Bertrand Aristide

Eyes of the Heart p11
k
What happens to poor countries when they embrace free trade? In Haiti in 1986 we imported just 7000 tons of rice, the main staple food of the country. The vast majority was grown in Haiti. In the late 1980s Haiti complied with free trade policies advocated by the international lending agencies and lifted tariffs on rice imports. Cheaper rice immediately flooded in from the United States where the rice industry is subsidized. In fact the liberalization of

Haiti's market coincided with the 1985 Farm Bill in the United States which increased subsidies to the rice industry so that 40% of U.S. rice growers' profits came from the government by 1987. Haiti's peasant farmers could not possibly compete. By 1996 Haiti was importing 196,000 tons of foreign rice at the cost of $100 million a year. Haitian rice production became negligible. Once the dependence on foreign rice was complete, import prices began to rise, leaving Haiti's population, particularly the urban poor, completely at the whim of rising world grain prices. And the prices continue to rise.
UIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeace

United States

#3045 Nov 18, 2012
Johnny wrote:
<quoted text>
__________
Aristide was handed over to American authorities. American military &/or special forces could not have done such an undertaking.
Considering possible negative political fallout from foreign heads of state.
Also, considering possible legal fall out from the International Criminal Court (ICC) in the Hague.
Prior to Aristide being handed over to American authorities.--- There was an invasion of Haitian territory by Haitian, Dominican & Jamaican Paramilitaries / Death Squads. Cut the main communication wires. Also, blocked out sound systems.
The Haitian, Dominican & Jamaican Paramilitaries / Death Squads totally overpowered the much, much smaller Haitian forces which were loyal to Aristide.
Haitian generals & officers who were loyal to Aristide were neutralized outright.
Haitian, Dominican & Jamaican Paramilitaries / Death Squads surrounded the Haitian presidential quarters in Port-au-Prince. Forced their way inside. Seized Aristide & his family.
For a little over 48 hours time, American authorities didn't know Aristides whereabouts. American authorities thought that Aristide & his family may have been shot.
At a little over 48 hours time after Aristide & his family being seized, a Haitian Paramilitary / Death Squad leader directly telephoned George Bush Jr. in Washington D.C..
Raisenth asked Bush Jr. if he wanted Aristide & his family shot.
Bush Jr. said "No, that would be too drastic".
Bush Jr. said to "Hand him over to American authorities".
Which the Haitian, Dominican & Jamaican Paramilitaries / Death Squads did.
Here's another example which shows that American authorities did NOT play the "direct" role in Aristide & his family being abducted.---
After Aristide & his family were turned over to American authorities, it was NOT American military &/or special forces which conducted operations. Against Aristides supporters throughout Haiti.
It was the Haitian, Dominican & Jamaican Paramilitaries / Death Squads which did.
but world don't believe what US saY anymore. halftruth in your post

US been invaded Haiti for over century and want it money back and it great strategic Location for US military base in the region and for it resources, so culprit is US, no if and but about it.
UIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeace

United States

#3046 Nov 18, 2012
Johnny wrote:
UIdiotRaceMAkeWorldPeace --- You said "In Haiti in 1986, 7000 tons of rice were imported, the main staple food of the country. The vast majority was grown in Haiti".--- This is true.
You said "In the late 1980s Haiti complied with free trade policies advocated by the international lending agencies and lifted tariffs on rice imports".--- Correct.
This was VERY positive to Haitian society.
Especially very beneficial to the Haitian farmers & Haitian masses.
Jean-Bertrand Aristide

Eyes of the Heart p11
k
What happens to poor countries when they embrace free trade? In Haiti in 1986 we imported just 7000 tons of rice, the main staple food of the country. The vast majority was grown in Haiti. In the late 1980s Haiti complied with free trade policies advocated by the international lending agencies and lifted tariffs on rice imports. Cheaper rice immediately flooded in from the United States where the rice industry is subsidized. In fact the liberalization of

Haiti's market coincided with the 1985 Farm Bill in the United States which increased subsidies to the rice industry so that 40% of U.S. rice growers' profits came from the government by 1987. Haiti's peasant farmers could not possibly compete. By 1996 Haiti was importing 196,000 tons of foreign rice at the cost of $100 million a year. Haitian rice production became negligible. Once the dependence on foreign rice was complete, import prices began to rise, leaving Haiti's population, particularly the urban poor, completely at the whim of rising world grain prices. And the prices continue to rise.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#3047 Nov 18, 2012
UIdiotRaceMAkeWorldPeace ---- You said "Cheaper rice immediately flooded in from the United States where the rice industry is subsidized. In fact the liberalization of Haitis market coincided with the 1985 Farm Bill in the United States which increased subsidies to the rice industry so that 40% of the U.S. rice growers' profits came from the government by 1987".-- You are 150% right on the mark about all of your points here.

These respective factors are yet MORE examples of the policies of the United States (US) federal government being VERY beneficial to Haiti.

Another case of a rising tide lifts all.

You said "By 1996 Haiti was importing 196,000 tons of foreign rice at the cost of $100 million a year".--- True.

But, why was this the case?--- Due to the MASSIVE changes in world trade. Primarily as it pertained to world trade in rice. Also, in grain.

All caused by globalization. Globalization, which was totally inevitable to the nations of the world. To world trade.

The nation of Haiti was NOT left out in the cold.

The United States (US) federal government greatly stepped up its aid to Haiti.

Especially considering that this was BEFORE leftist Jean-Bertrand Aristide was in office.

When the beginnings of the Haitian government increased its importation of American rice into Haiti, the Haitian government was Allied to Washington D.C..

Granted, Haitis import prices rose due to globalization.

But, the US federal gov't didn't leave the Haitian gov't hanging. Washington D.C. greatly vamped up its aid to Haiti.

In regards to giving Haiti rice. Also, in regards to giving Haiti grain.

This was very beneficial to the Haitian masses.

Especially very beneficial to the Haitian farmers.

The critical, key is job growth in the private sector. Not the public sector.

Having job growth in the private sector is ESPECIALLY beneficial for a smaller, lower tiered economic nation like Haiti.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#3049 Nov 18, 2012
UIdiotRaceMAkeWorldPeace.-- Your previous post which you just addressed to me,#3046, is a tad bit different from your other previous post which you addressed to me the other week on this thread. Via its wording. Your other prior posts were worded differently. That they weren't cut, pasted & posted.

I have to step out now. I still have to respond back to a couple of your previous posts which you addressed to me about Israel.

I should have some time by Tuesday. Either way, I'll definitely get back to you.
UIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeace

United States

#3050 Nov 18, 2012
Bill Quigley, law professor at Loyola University in New Orleans
The US Role in Haitiís Food Riots

The United States and the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank, all of which we, the United States, dominate, have for the last twenty-five, thirty years insisted that in order to get the loans, which Haiti and these other countries, agricultural countries, need, in order to get those loans, Haiti had to change their economic system so that their country was open to competition from other countries on agriculture, trade, a number of other things.
... thirty years ago, Haiti imported almost no rice, was an exporter of sugar and other things. Today, Haiti imports nearly all of its rice. It even imports sugar, even though it was the sugar-growing capital of the Caribbean. And the reason is, is that the powers that be said, in order to get these loans, which they need desperately to be able to survive, that they had to open up their markets to competition.
... the United States exports over 200 million metric tons of rice every year to Haiti... And the reason is that our rice is cheaper than the rice that they could grow there themselves, because our rice is so heavily subsidized. A billion dollars a year of taxpayer money goes to rice farmers in the United States, plus we have a tariff ... that adds between three and 24 percent protection for our rice farmers. And as a result, the rich and powerful country of the United States, along with other rich and powerful countries in the world, have just really bullied these small countries into accepting our rice. And as the rice from the United States came in ... that the rice flooded in at low or below cost ... and destroyed the ability of farmers in Haiti to be able to grow rice. And as a consequence, the country now depends totally on imported rice
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#3051 Nov 18, 2012
Eric the Australian --- I'll DEFINITELY get back to you by Tuesday.

In the meantime, later.
UIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeace

United States

#3052 Nov 18, 2012
Randall Robinson
interviewed by Amitabh Pal
The Progressive magazine, October 2005, p39

[Condelleza Rice and Colin Powell] are both dangerous people. What they did in Haiti is a good measure of it. They destroyed a democracy. They squelched loans that had been approved by the Inter-American Development Bank. They did everything behind the scenes, including arming the thugs that came to overrun the country. They're frauds.

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