Calling all White People
UIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeace

United States

#3017 Nov 18, 2012
Johnny wrote:
<quoted text>
__________
Ha. The other week you were posting as "ASIANLATINO". Same as what you were doing on another thread.
The exact, same m.o. which you were using when you were blogging with a discussion & debate on the "Food Stamp Thread" back in 2009. With I, O'Neal, JFTR, DeeSee, freebird_forever, Yogga, Jimmy & AynRandsucks.
Back in 2009, on that Food Stamp thread, you asked I & O'Neal for advice about your damaged hard drive.
ThaT NOT ME, aSIAN LATINO IS DIFFERENT POSTER. BUT HE INTRODUCE ME TO THIS TOPIC
i REMEMBER FOOD STAMP THREAD... They still here or gone?
UIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeace

United States

#3018 Nov 18, 2012
Johnny wrote:
UIdiotRaceMAkeWorldPeace --- You said "In 1978, US experts became concerned that swine fever in the Dominican Republic might threaten the US pig industry. The US initiated a $23 million extermination and restocking program aimed at replacing all of the 1.3 million pigs in Haiti".--- You are 150% right on the mark about this.
What was the problem with the United States (US) federal government undertaking this measure?
You said "so that Americans could make money selling their pigs".---- Correct.
What is wrong with this venture?
This respective measure was very beneficial for American farmers.
Also, very beneficial for the Haitian masses.
Especially very beneficial for the Haitian farmers.
A rising tide lift all.
Killing all Haitain Pigs and Replace with American pigs suceptible to disease, how is the moral?
UIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeace

United States

#3019 Nov 18, 2012
Aristide's Rise and Fall, Ashley Smith

For the third time in the last hundred years, the U.S. has invaded and occupied Haiti. Working behind the scenes, the U.S. conducted a destabilization campaign aimed at toppling the government of Jean-Bertrand Aristide. This is a message to the rest of the region: If you don't obey, the U.S. will impose sanctions, overthrow your government, install a client regime, and support death squads to crush any resistance.
Johnny

Muskego, WI

#3020 Nov 18, 2012
UIdiotRaceMAkeWorldPeace ---- You said "A USAID-OAS program then sent pigs from Iowa-for many peasants".--- Correct.

This was VERY positive to the Haitian masses.

Especially very beneficial to the Haitian farmers.

You said "These were, however, to be made available only to peasants who could show that they had the capital necessary to feed the new arrivals and to house them according to specifications".--- True.

What is the problem with this policy?

It is only logical that PRIOR to the United States (US) federal government implementing this venture, that they would have in place a plan that the Haitians would have a means to keep the pigs housed, fed & well taken care of.

You said "One predictable result was new fortunes for the Duvalier clique and their successors who gained control of the feed market".--- So what.

The US federal gov't HAD to work with top Haitians.

Main Haitians who controlled the means of production & who made the policies in Haiti.

Obviously, the top Haitians in Haiti back then were the Duvalier clique.

Also, Haitian Allies of the Duvalier clique.

Papa Doc (Aka --- Francois Duvalier) & his son, Baby Doc (Aka --- Jean-Claude Duvalier) were VERY staunch Allies of the US, Israel & the United Kingdom (UK).
UIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeace

United States

#3021 Nov 18, 2012
US proxies terrorizing workders in Haiti ... again, by Ricky Baldwin, Z mag, Sept 2004, p15

Cheap labor has always been at the heart of U.S.-Haitian relations, ever since the Haitian Revolution in 1804. It was actually a slave rebellion, the first and still the only successful one in modern history. The U.S. sided with French colonialism as the U.S. economy was based on slavery at the time and Haiti represented the first "dangerous example."

---

US take advantages of Hiati and people in poverty had not seem a dime from US in improving Stone Age infrastruture
Johnny

Muskego, WI

#3022 Nov 18, 2012
UIdiotRaceMAkeWorldPeace wrote:
<quoted text>ThaT NOT ME, aSIAN LATINO IS DIFFERENT POSTER. BUT HE INTRODUCE ME TO THIS TOPIC
i REMEMBER FOOD STAMP THREAD... They still here or gone?
__________

Ha. Come on. Writing style is the exact, same.

Most of all, your IP number reading is identical to ASIANLATINO.

Come on, you've said the exact, same stuff on a different thread on Topixs Top Stories forum 3 weeks ago.

You remember the Food Stamp thread?--- Ha, ha.

Hey, right here. You are inadvertently acknowledging that you are one & the same.

Regarding your question about the Food Stamp thread.--- I haven't seen that thread since around mid, 2010. I stopped blogging on that thread back in around late, 2009.

But, we did have some really good blog discussions & debates on that thread. About politics & about how our federal government operates, etc..

Also, about our nations foreign policy.
UIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeace

United States

#3023 Nov 18, 2012
Johnny wrote:
UIdiotRaceMAkeWorldPeace ---- You said "A USAID-OAS program then sent pigs from Iowa-for many peasants".--- Correct.
This was VERY positive to the Haitian masses.
Especially very beneficial to the Haitian farmers.
You said "These were, however, to be made available only to peasants who could show that they had the capital necessary to feed the new arrivals and to house them according to specifications".--- True.
What is the problem with this policy?
It is only logical that PRIOR to the United States (US) federal government implementing this venture, that they would have in place a plan that the Haitians would have a means to keep the pigs housed, fed & well taken care of.
You said "One predictable result was new fortunes for the Duvalier clique and their successors who gained control of the feed market".--- So what.
The US federal gov't HAD to work with top Haitians.
Main Haitians who controlled the means of production & who made the policies in Haiti.
Obviously, the top Haitians in Haiti back then were the Duvalier clique.
Also, Haitian Allies of the Duvalier clique.
Papa Doc (Aka --- Francois Duvalier) & his son, Baby Doc (Aka --- Jean-Claude Duvalier) were VERY staunch Allies of the US, Israel & the United Kingdom (UK).
You killing haitian People!

Becuase of this as one of many culprits like what US did to Cuba , war and sanctions on natins killimg the poor people!
Are you sure you not a warmongering Neocon and a Malthusian catastrophe kowtower? Bwhahhahaa
=====
Boston Globe ,
Pathologies of Power
by Paul Farmer, pxxii

For three years, the US government, the European Union, and international banks have blocked $500 million in aid to Haiti's government, ravaging the economy of a nation already twice as poor as any in the Western Hemisphere.

The cutoff, intended to pressure the government to adopt political reforms, left Haiti struggling to meet even basic needs and weakened the authority of President Jean-Bertrand Aristide, who went into exile one week ago.

Today, Haiti's government, which serves 8 million people, has an annual budget of about $300 million-less than that of Cambridge [Massachusetts], a city of just over 100,000. And as Haitians attempt to form a new government, many say its success will largely depend on how much and how soon aid will flow to the country.

Many of Aristide's supporters, in Haiti and abroad, angrily contend that the international community, particularly the United States, abandoned the fledgling democracy when it most needed aid. Many believe that Aristide himself was the target of the de facto economic sanctions, just as Haiti was beginning to put its finances back in order
UIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeace

United States

#3024 Nov 18, 2012
Johnny wrote:
<quoted text>
__________
Ha. Come on. Writing style is the exact, same.
Most of all, your IP number reading is identical to ASIANLATINO.
Come on, you've said the exact, same stuff on a different thread on Topixs Top Stories forum 3 weeks ago.
You remember the Food Stamp thread?--- Ha, ha.
Hey, right here. You are inadvertently acknowledging that you are one & the same.
Regarding your question about the Food Stamp thread.--- I haven't seen that thread since around mid, 2010. I stopped blogging on that thread back in around late, 2009.
But, we did have some really good blog discussions & debates on that thread. About politics & about how our federal government operates, etc..
Also, about our nations foreign policy.
I copy some of his post and he copy my posts! Different posters!

i remember food Stamp Topic, oh yes we did have good debates.
Johnny

Muskego, WI

#3025 Nov 18, 2012
UIdiotRaceMAkeWorldPeace ---- You said "He [Aristide] did not resign. He was abducted by the United States in the commission of a coup".---

Actually, Jean-Bertrand Aristides abduction was carried out not by American military forces.

Aristide & his entire family were abducted by a combined Haitian, Dominican & Jamaican Paramilitary / Death Squad unit.

Why did this happen?--- Because Haitis president back then, Jean-Bertrand Aristide didn't want to play ball with the United States (US) federal government, Israeli government & the British government.

Aristide was going against American, Israeli & British interests.

Subsequently, there were consequences for Aristide.

There were consequences for Haitian army generals & officers who were loyal to Aristide.

There were consequences for Haitian police officials who were loyal to Aristide.

There were also consequences for Aristides supporters throughout Haiti. Primarily in the Haitian cities of Port-au-Prince, Gonaives & Cap-Haitien.
Johnny

Muskego, WI

#3026 Nov 18, 2012
UIdiotRaceMAkeWorldPeace wrote:
<quoted text>i remember food Stamp Topic, oh yes we did have good debates.
__________

Absolutely.^5.

Granted, we are coming from opposite ends of the political spectrum. But, we have had many, many good blog discussions & debates. On many, different threads on Topix.

Hey, that is what a public message board is for. For blog discussions & debates. About the exchange of ideas.
Johnny

Muskego, WI

#3027 Nov 18, 2012
UIdiotRaceMAkeWorldPeace --- You said "The U.S. has plundered Haitian society for decades".--- Not true.

The United States (US) federal government & American businesses have put investments into Haiti.

Via these investments, the Haitian masses benefit.

Via these investments, the US federal gov't & American businesses get returns.
UIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeace

United States

#3028 Nov 18, 2012
Noam Chomsky,

In 1978, US experts became concerned that swine fever in the Dominican Republic might threaten the US pig industry. The US initiated a $23 million extermination and restocking program aimed at replacing all of the 1.3 million pigs in Haiti, which were among the peasants' most important possessions, even considered a "bank account" in case of need. Though some Haitian pigs had been found to be infected, few had died, possibly because of their remarkable disease-resistance, some veterinary experts felt. Peasants were skeptical, speculating that the affair had been staged so that "Americans could make money selling their pigs." The program was initiated in 1982, well after traces of disease had disappeared. Two years later, there were no pigs in Haiti.

Peasants regarded this as "the very last thing left in the possible punishments that have afflicted us." A Haitian economist described the enterprise as "the worst calamity to ever befall the peasant," even apart from the $600 million value of the destroyed livestock: "The real loss to the peasant is incalculable...[The peasant economy] is reeling from the impact of being without pigs. A whole way of life has been destroyed in this survival economy." School registration dropped 40-50 percent and sales of merchandise plummeted, as the marginal economy collapsed. A USAID-OAS program then sent pigs from Iowa-for many peasants, confirming their suspicions. These were, however, to be made available only to peasants who could show that they had the capital necessary to feed the new arrivals arid to house them according to specifications. Unlike the native Haitian pigs, the Iowa replacements often succumbed to disease, and could survive only on expensive feed, at a cost that ran up to $250 a year, a huge sum for impoverished peasants. One predictable result was new fortunes for the Duvalier clique and their successors who gained .control of the feed market.
UIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeace

United States

#3029 Nov 18, 2012
Johnny wrote:
UIdiotRaceMAkeWorldPeace ---- You said "He [Aristide] did not resign. He was abducted by the United States in the commission of a coup".---
Actually, Jean-Bertrand Aristides abduction was carried out not by American military forces.
Aristide & his entire family were abducted by a combined Haitian, Dominican & Jamaican Paramilitary / Death Squad unit.
Why did this happen?--- Because Haitis president back then, Jean-Bertrand Aristide didn't want to play ball with the United States (US) federal government, Israeli government & the British government.
Aristide was going against American, Israeli & British interests.
Subsequently, there were consequences for Aristide.
There were consequences for Haitian army generals & officers who were loyal to Aristide.
There were consequences for Haitian police officials who were loyal to Aristide.
There were also consequences for Aristides supporters throughout Haiti. Primarily in the Haitian cities of Port-au-Prince, Gonaives & Cap-Haitien.
NOPE!

New Randall Robinson Book Reveals Truth on Aristide Kidnapping
Wednesday, 12 September 2007

In the twilight of dawn, U.S. forces kidnapped a sovereign head of state from the Caribbean, sent him to a French-dominated neo-colony prison in Africa, and pretended that the prisoner and his wife were voluntarily leaving their country: Haiti. The U.S. corporate media bought the story hook-line-and-sinker, disbelieving their own correspondents who had long been reporting that a U.S.-instigated coup was underway. TransAfrica founder Randall Robinson's new book unveils the real story, of international criminality on the part of the Bush administration, that took Haiti to its knees, once again. Democracy has no place in U.S. foreign policy - only raw force will do.
UIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeace

United States

#3030 Nov 18, 2012
The U.S. and Europe greeted the black nation's birth with an economic boycott. And, strange as it may seem, in 1825 France imposed a debt on its former colony equal to $21 billion in 2004 U.S. dollars "as compensation from the newly freed slaves for denying France the further benefit of owning them," Robinson writes.

The ravaging of Haiti included a brutal U.S. occupation from 1915 to 1934 resulting in the deaths of some 15,000 Haitians. During that time the U.S. repaid Haiti's debt to France, imposing in turn its own $16 million obligation on the Haitian people, which Haiti did not pay off until 1947.

The U.S.-supported dictatorial rule of father, then son, Duvalier (1956-1986) would further impoverish the exploited masses.

"Haiti on an operational level could be likened to racialist South Africa. In exchange for the trappings of state power, the dictator Francois Duvalier and his black successors gave to the white and mulatto upper class a free hand to exploit the huge black, largely illiterate labor force in any way it saw fit," Robinson writes.

A priest who would later gave up the priesthood, Aristide became known and loved among the masses for preaching of the dignity and rights of the poorest of the poor. He was elected president in 1990, despite the hostility of the upper classes which had been given free reign by the Duvaliers and the post-Duvalier regimes. Aristide was toppled by a military coup after only nine months in office. Ending a brutal military rule, President Bill Clinton supported Aristide's return to Haiti in 1994 with conditions including a demand to privatize Haitian industries.

Among Aristide's first acts on his return to office was to abolish the military, some of whose former members would become rebel leaders in 2003-2004. After the five-year presidency of Rene Préval - president again today - Aristide was reelected in 2001. His attempts to ease the burden of the poor, such as doubling the minimum wage to $2/day, provoked the anger of the upper classes and their American frie
UIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeace

United States

#3031 Nov 18, 2012
Destabilizing the second presidency

"The U.S. Agency for International Development and the International Republican Institute spent tens of millions of dollars to create and organize an opposition."

Robinson explains how the U.S. undermined Aristide's second presidency through propaganda and support for the political and military opposition. He quotes Mark Weisbrot, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research in Washington, D.C., on the efforts of the International Republican Institute: "'The fix was in: The U.S. Agency for International Development and the International Republican Institute (the international arm of the Republican Party) had spent tens of millions of dollars to create and organize an opposition - however small in numbers - and to make Haiti under Aristide ungovernable.'"

To elucidate the U.S. role in training and arming the rebels, Robinson quotes from a report of the Investigation Commission on Haiti that included attorney Brian Concannon, Fr. Luis Barrios and former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark:

"There is no doubt that the territory of the Dominican Republic was used for training and arming the Haitian rebels with the knowledge of the [Dominican] authorities, and that their attack was launched from Dominican soil," the report said. "U.S. military officials have confirmed that 20,000 M16 rifles were given by the U.S. to the Dominican Republic after November 2002 and admitted that many of those rifles were now in the hands of the Haitian rebels...."

Further destabilizing the poor nation, Washington blocked $146 million Inter-American Development Bank aid that was to fund projects such as clean drinking water, health, education and roads.
UIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeace

United States

#3032 Nov 18, 2012
Feb. 29

In the buildup to the February 29 coup, the rebel band took over a number of small Haitian towns by capturing local police stations. Secretary of State Collin Powell reportedly said - and the media erroneously reported - that the rebels were set to march on Port-au-Prince, a city of some 3 million persons and kill the president. "The few police brave enough to contest [the rebels] then had no way to answer their firepower. The rebels, outfitted smartly in baggy camouflage with bulletproof vests and steel helmets, had good reason to expect that the mere sight of them would scare the bejesus out of lightly armed policemen defending a lightly staffed police post, miles and mountains distant from Port-au-Prince...," Robinson writes.

The military activity was a "smokescreen" to pressure Aristide to resign, "not a serious army," Robinson says.

"Secretary of State Collin Powell reportedly said - and the media erroneously reported - that the rebels were set to march on Port-au-Prince, a city of some 3 million persons and kill the president."

A truck carrying television crews followed the rebels, whose task, according to Robinson, "was to terrorize the countryside outside of Port-au-Prince - to hack, murder, burn, loot, raze - to tear a fiery swath of destruction across the northern half of Haiti...and maximize the news media's coverage of what appeared to be the inexorable fall of the democratic government, village by defenseless village."

Voluntary flight

Did the Aristides leave voluntarily? Robinson says they would have prepared. They had not packed bags, didn't tell friends they would leave and the day before the kidnapping, had been making preparations for interviews in Port-au-Prince with Tavis Smiley and George Stephanopoulous.

The U.S. media was complicit in making it appear that Aristide left voluntarily, Robinson says. "The American television networks had been airing old footage shot in natural light at the Port-au-Prince airport showing President Aristide without his wife, shaking hands and making his way along a line of government ministers before boarding a nearby commercial aircraft. The networks represented the footage to be pictures of the president's voluntary departure from Haiti."

The reality, according to Robinson, was that the president and his wife were put on an airplane by U.S. officials before dawn Feb. 29; the aircraft was not a commercial plane; no members of the Aristide government and no media were at the airport. The Aristides were taken to the Central African Republic (CAR) against their will.

Robinson tells how he, along with Rep. Maxine Waters and others, flew to CAR and secured the Aristides' release. But despite having an elected president in Haiti today - after two years of U.S. appointed interim rule - the country has not regained its sovereignty and Aristide remains in forced exile in South Africa. Haiti continues to be controlled by foreigners, which includes a military occupation of some 8,800 United Nations troops.

"Sadly, real democracy remains a long way off for Haiti," Robinson writes. "For how can any reasonable observer contend to the contrary as long as foreign powers, directly or indirectly, remain bent on preventing Jean-Bertrand Aristide, Haiti's most widely respected humanist and democrat, from returning home to his own country."
Johnny

Muskego, WI

#3033 Nov 18, 2012
UIdiotRaceMAkeWorldPeace ---- You said "Instead of Haiti owing any debt to the U.S., other countries or international financial institutions, the reverse is the case. The U.S., France, Canada and the UN owe the people of Haiti reparations to redress the imperial plunder of the country".--- For many, many decades, Haiti has been given A LOT of ecnonomic aid. Also, much military assistance.

But, with ANY aid, there are many stipulations associated with these respective forms of aid.

Haitis former president, leftist Jean-Bertrand Aristide wasn't following the paths directed via the written legal contract stipulations.

This is why there were disagreements.

Former Haitian leaders like Papa Doc (Aka --- Francois Duvalier), Baby Doc (Aka -- Jean-Claude Duvalier), Madame Max Adolphe, Emmanuel "Toto" Constant, Guy Philppe, Louis-Jodel Chamblain, Marc Bazin, Joseph Nerette, Proper Avril, Emile Jonassaint, Raoul Cedras & Boniface Alexander

NEVER caused any friction for Washington D.C., Jerusalem &/or London.

When America, Israel &/or the United Kingdom (UK) allocate aid to any nation(s) of the developing world.

There are many written legal contracts which must be adhered to.

Also, whenever the International Monetary Fund (IMF) &/or World Bank dispense aid to any nation(s) of the developing world.

There are many written legal contracts which are stipulted.
UIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeace

United States

#3034 Nov 18, 2012
Johnny wrote:
UIdiotRaceMAkeWorldPeace --- You said "The U.S. has plundered Haitian society for decades".--- Not true.
The United States (US) federal government & American businesses have put investments into Haiti.
Via these investments, the Haitian masses benefit.
Via these investments, the US federal gov't & American businesses get returns.
99% of Haiti people still live in extreme poverty , if you look at Stat Alamanc

Poverty in Haiti - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_Haiti

With a Gross Domestic Product (GDP) estimate of US$6.56 billion in 2009, Haiti is routinely regarded as one of the poorest nations in the western hemisphere. Based on .
UIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeace

United States

#3035 Nov 18, 2012
WikiLeaks points to US meddling in Haiti | Kim Ives | Comment is ...
www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2... ...

Jan 21, 2011 · At root was US fear of Haiti's anti-slavery,... is driven by profiteering. Haiti is the poorest country in the western hemisphere by far,...
UIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeace

United States

#3036 Nov 18, 2012
Haiti Is Open for Business
www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2010/... ...

Haiti Is Open for Business
February 15th, 2010

by Stephen Lendman

In December 1984, Canada's conservative prime minister, Brian Mulroney, told the New York Economic Club that "Canada is open for business," meaning US companies were welcome, the two countries would work for greater economic integration, America's sovereignty took precedence of his own, and corporate interests from both countries could operate freely at the expense of most Canadians.

That's always been Haiti's curse, now more than ever. Under American militarized control, Haiti is occupied for profit, its pseudo government largely invisible, and predators aim to cash in to the fullest. On January 21, in his article titled, "Securing disaster in Haiti," Peter Hallward explained, saying:

"....the US-led relief operation has conformed to the three fundamental tendencies that have shaped the more general course of the island's recent history. It has adopted military priorities and strategies. It has sidelined Haiti's own leaders and government, and ignored the needs of the majority of its people. And it has proceeded in ways that reinforce the already harrowing gap between rich and poor. All three tendencies aren't just connected, they are mutually reinforcing.(They'll also) govern the imminent reconstruction effort as well, unless determined political action is taken to counteract them."

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