Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#3010 Nov 18, 2012
UIdiotRaceMAkeWorldPeace --- I looked over those links which you wanted me to check out. About Lee Sustar, Jean-Bertrand Aristide, Ashley Smith, Noam Chomsky & Randall Robinson.

What Lee, Jean-Bertrand, Ashley, Noam & Randall said, they were about 98% correct.

But, they omitted many very critical points.

As to why the United States (US) federal government HAS to undertake the measures such as what it takes.

Also, as to why the International Monetary Fund (IMF) HAS to undertake its written, legal agreements which it does.

Primarily as it pertains to the nation of Haiti in the Caribbean.

As it pertains to the nations of sub-saharan Africa.

I'll retrieve your previous points which you addressed to me.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#3011 Nov 18, 2012
UIdiotRaceMAkeWorldPeace wrote:
<quoted text>I don't remember who you are , where on Topix we met and whata re topics?
Hint obnoxious US war-Oil-for-profiteer ANd Somalias, ring a bell?
Most of Africans people (not African govt , as most US puppets) and Even Educated African Americans denounced US Africom , US militarism in Africa?
over 179 nations now support Cuba and denounce evil USA sanctions on Cuba for over 50 years plus?
Over 130 non-alingned nations support Iran , while US is losing ground?
US is losing it touch because of what Johnny?
G20 renounce what US doing for invoking rounds of Global Macroeconomic war on the world.
BWHHAHAHHAHHAHAAAAAAA
__________

Ha. The other week you were posting as "ASIANLATINO". Same as what you were doing on another thread.

The exact, same m.o. which you were using when you were blogging with a discussion & debate on the "Food Stamp Thread" back in 2009. With I, O'Neal, JFTR, DeeSee, freebird_forever, Yogga, Jimmy & AynRandsucks.

Back in 2009, on that Food Stamp thread, you asked I & O'Neal for advice about your damaged hard drive.

UIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeace

United States

#3012 Nov 18, 2012
Johnny wrote:
UIdiotRaceMAkeWorldPeace.--- Sorry about the delay with getting back to you.
In regards to your previous post which you addressed to me. Where you typed up many points which were very critical of capitalism.---
Capitalism is the BEST economic system.
The nations of Western Europe (France, Belgium, Holland, Spain & Portugal), the nations of Southern Europe (Primarily Italy) & even the nations of Scandinavia (Denmark, Norway, Sweden & Finland) are embracing capitalism.
This is ESPECIALLY notable in the case of Sweden.
This is why.--- For many, many decades, Sweden was a big time, left wing, socialist welfare nation.
Especially under their former prime minister, leftist Olaf Palme.
But, for some time now, most Swedes & most other Europeans can see the utter failure of the left wing, socialist welfare state.
Even the Eastern European nations are embracing capitalism.
Back in 1992, our nations president back then, Democrat Bill Clinton gave Russia & China the "Most Favored Nation" status.
From 1992 till now, Russia & China have been embracing capitalism.
Russia & China have been experiencing A LOT of growth.
Also, from 1992 till now, China has been buying up a lot of property on both sides & well inland of the Panama Canal.
Since China has embraced capitalism, China has pretty much morphed from a left wing dictatorship into a Fascist type dictatorship.
But Capitalism under Western system failed Look To US , Europe... CORRUPTED (Greed and Power ruined Western Civilization!) And China a Socialist Authoritarian IS bailing out Western Capitalism and other nations like Carribean BAnking Countries, Sinf\gapore, hongkong ... bailout US, they no longer because of US obonoxious Global macroeconmomic Warfare on the world economies and a coup d'ete on American financial/economic Wellbeing and on war on world livelihood. Still support our corrupted US wars, they even taken away Americans jobs and shipped overseas... You are another Johnny Come latelly, And uou shuouls Washington Chopped all Johnny Appletree? wake up time Support American masses and World people not American Fascism and US Corporarcy , and Plutocracy is ruining america and world livelihood? So?

BWHAHAHHHAAAa

BWHAHHAHHAAAHAHAHHA
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#3013 Nov 18, 2012
UIdiotRaceMAkeWorldPeace --- You said "The U.S. invaded and occupied Haiti in 1915 and stayed for nineteen years".--- Correct.

But, why was this the case?--- From 1910 till 1915, Germanys government back then was trying to establish bases in Haiti.

This was a threat to American, British & French interests in the Caribbean basin.

You said "Washington then bankrolled a succession of Haitian dictators, including the thirty-year rule of the Duvalier famly until an uprising, led in part by Aristide, drove it from power in 1988".--- True.

The United States (US) federal government was TOTALLY justified in doing this.

Since, the US has interests in Haiti.

Also, in almost all of the other Caribbean nations.

Interests which MUST be protected.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#3014 Nov 18, 2012
UIdiotRaceMAkeWorldPeace --- You said "In 1978, US experts became concerned that swine fever in the Dominican Republic might threaten the US pig industry. The US initiated a $23 million extermination and restocking program aimed at replacing all of the 1.3 million pigs in Haiti".--- You are 150% right on the mark about this.

What was the problem with the United States (US) federal government undertaking this measure?

You said "so that Americans could make money selling their pigs".---- Correct.

What is wrong with this venture?

This respective measure was very beneficial for American farmers.

Also, very beneficial for the Haitian masses.

Especially very beneficial for the Haitian farmers.

A rising tide lift all.
UIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeace

United States

#3015 Nov 18, 2012
Johnny wrote:
UIdiotRaceMAkeWorldPeace --- I looked over those links which you wanted me to check out. About Lee Sustar, Jean-Bertrand Aristide, Ashley Smith, Noam Chomsky & Randall Robinson.
What Lee, Jean-Bertrand, Ashley, Noam & Randall said, they were about 98% correct.
But, they omitted many very critical points.
As to why the United States (US) federal government HAS to undertake the measures such as what it takes.
Also, as to why the International Monetary Fund (IMF) HAS to undertake its written, legal agreements which it does.
Primarily as it pertains to the nation of Haiti in the Caribbean.
As it pertains to the nations of sub-saharan Africa.
I'll retrieve your previous points which you addressed to me.
Let not forget Eisenhower, Ex-cia John Stockwell, MLKjr, Ramsey clark ex- US marine,and former Atorney general Human rights Activist ....

Jean-Bertrand Aristide

Eyes of the Heart p13
"In 1995, severely indebted low-income countries paid one billion dollars more in debt and interest to the International Monetary Fund (IMF) than they received from it. For the 46 countries of Subsaharan Africa, foreign debt service was four times their combined governmental health and education budgets in 1996. So, we find that aid does not aid."

And when those nation don't pay up in time to IMF , the US come with a Armed force to retrieve what it owed!

---
Congressman John Conyers,1992

about Haiti under Aristide
'The military thugs down there [in Haiti] understand... that they have got a nod and a wink from the U.S. government.'

--Jeff Cohen and Norman Solomon, Through the Media Looking Glass, p195

During the US-supported Duvalier family reign, an estimated 30,000 people were killed—with many more tortured or terrorized

---

Washington Set the Stage
by Lee Sustar

quotationThe U.S. invaded and occupied Haiti in 1915 and stayed for nineteen years—an early example of "regime change." Washington then bankrolled a succession of Haitian dictators, including the thirty-year rule of the Duvalier family until an uprising, led in part by Aristide, drove it from power in 1988.

Note bullying US invaded Haiti many times over 100 plus years of US invasion into HIATI.

---

US & Haiti, Chomsky, Z mag, April 2004, p7

The threat of democracy ...[is] commonly perceived to be particularly grave in a country like Haiti, which had been ravaged by France and then reduced to utter misery by a century of U.S. intervention. If even people in suceh dire circumstances can take their fate into their own hands, who knows what might happen elsewhere as the "contagion spreads. "

yOU BEEN A FASCIST WARMONGER jOHHNY bullying other nations. Are you ashame what our US is doing to world?
UIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeace

United States

#3017 Nov 18, 2012
Johnny wrote:
<quoted text>
__________
Ha. The other week you were posting as "ASIANLATINO". Same as what you were doing on another thread.
The exact, same m.o. which you were using when you were blogging with a discussion & debate on the "Food Stamp Thread" back in 2009. With I, O'Neal, JFTR, DeeSee, freebird_forever, Yogga, Jimmy & AynRandsucks.
Back in 2009, on that Food Stamp thread, you asked I & O'Neal for advice about your damaged hard drive.
ThaT NOT ME, aSIAN LATINO IS DIFFERENT POSTER. BUT HE INTRODUCE ME TO THIS TOPIC
i REMEMBER FOOD STAMP THREAD... They still here or gone?
UIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeace

United States

#3018 Nov 18, 2012
Johnny wrote:
UIdiotRaceMAkeWorldPeace --- You said "In 1978, US experts became concerned that swine fever in the Dominican Republic might threaten the US pig industry. The US initiated a $23 million extermination and restocking program aimed at replacing all of the 1.3 million pigs in Haiti".--- You are 150% right on the mark about this.
What was the problem with the United States (US) federal government undertaking this measure?
You said "so that Americans could make money selling their pigs".---- Correct.
What is wrong with this venture?
This respective measure was very beneficial for American farmers.
Also, very beneficial for the Haitian masses.
Especially very beneficial for the Haitian farmers.
A rising tide lift all.
Killing all Haitain Pigs and Replace with American pigs suceptible to disease, how is the moral?
UIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeace

United States

#3019 Nov 18, 2012
Aristide's Rise and Fall, Ashley Smith

For the third time in the last hundred years, the U.S. has invaded and occupied Haiti. Working behind the scenes, the U.S. conducted a destabilization campaign aimed at toppling the government of Jean-Bertrand Aristide. This is a message to the rest of the region: If you don't obey, the U.S. will impose sanctions, overthrow your government, install a client regime, and support death squads to crush any resistance.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#3020 Nov 18, 2012
UIdiotRaceMAkeWorldPeace ---- You said "A USAID-OAS program then sent pigs from Iowa-for many peasants".--- Correct.

This was VERY positive to the Haitian masses.

Especially very beneficial to the Haitian farmers.

You said "These were, however, to be made available only to peasants who could show that they had the capital necessary to feed the new arrivals and to house them according to specifications".--- True.

What is the problem with this policy?

It is only logical that PRIOR to the United States (US) federal government implementing this venture, that they would have in place a plan that the Haitians would have a means to keep the pigs housed, fed & well taken care of.

You said "One predictable result was new fortunes for the Duvalier clique and their successors who gained control of the feed market".--- So what.

The US federal gov't HAD to work with top Haitians.

Main Haitians who controlled the means of production & who made the policies in Haiti.

Obviously, the top Haitians in Haiti back then were the Duvalier clique.

Also, Haitian Allies of the Duvalier clique.

Papa Doc (Aka --- Francois Duvalier) & his son, Baby Doc (Aka --- Jean-Claude Duvalier) were VERY staunch Allies of the US, Israel & the United Kingdom (UK).
UIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeace

United States

#3021 Nov 18, 2012
US proxies terrorizing workders in Haiti ... again, by Ricky Baldwin, Z mag, Sept 2004, p15

Cheap labor has always been at the heart of U.S.-Haitian relations, ever since the Haitian Revolution in 1804. It was actually a slave rebellion, the first and still the only successful one in modern history. The U.S. sided with French colonialism as the U.S. economy was based on slavery at the time and Haiti represented the first "dangerous example."

---

US take advantages of Hiati and people in poverty had not seem a dime from US in improving Stone Age infrastruture
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#3022 Nov 18, 2012
UIdiotRaceMAkeWorldPeace wrote:
<quoted text>ThaT NOT ME, aSIAN LATINO IS DIFFERENT POSTER. BUT HE INTRODUCE ME TO THIS TOPIC
i REMEMBER FOOD STAMP THREAD... They still here or gone?
__________

Ha. Come on. Writing style is the exact, same.

Most of all, your IP number reading is identical to ASIANLATINO.

Come on, you've said the exact, same stuff on a different thread on Topixs Top Stories forum 3 weeks ago.

You remember the Food Stamp thread?--- Ha, ha.

Hey, right here. You are inadvertently acknowledging that you are one & the same.

Regarding your question about the Food Stamp thread.--- I haven't seen that thread since around mid, 2010. I stopped blogging on that thread back in around late, 2009.

But, we did have some really good blog discussions & debates on that thread. About politics & about how our federal government operates, etc..

Also, about our nations foreign policy.
UIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeace

United States

#3023 Nov 18, 2012
Johnny wrote:
UIdiotRaceMAkeWorldPeace ---- You said "A USAID-OAS program then sent pigs from Iowa-for many peasants".--- Correct.
This was VERY positive to the Haitian masses.
Especially very beneficial to the Haitian farmers.
You said "These were, however, to be made available only to peasants who could show that they had the capital necessary to feed the new arrivals and to house them according to specifications".--- True.
What is the problem with this policy?
It is only logical that PRIOR to the United States (US) federal government implementing this venture, that they would have in place a plan that the Haitians would have a means to keep the pigs housed, fed & well taken care of.
You said "One predictable result was new fortunes for the Duvalier clique and their successors who gained control of the feed market".--- So what.
The US federal gov't HAD to work with top Haitians.
Main Haitians who controlled the means of production & who made the policies in Haiti.
Obviously, the top Haitians in Haiti back then were the Duvalier clique.
Also, Haitian Allies of the Duvalier clique.
Papa Doc (Aka --- Francois Duvalier) & his son, Baby Doc (Aka --- Jean-Claude Duvalier) were VERY staunch Allies of the US, Israel & the United Kingdom (UK).
You killing haitian People!

Becuase of this as one of many culprits like what US did to Cuba , war and sanctions on natins killimg the poor people!
Are you sure you not a warmongering Neocon and a Malthusian catastrophe kowtower? Bwhahhahaa
=====
Boston Globe ,
Pathologies of Power
by Paul Farmer, pxxii

For three years, the US government, the European Union, and international banks have blocked $500 million in aid to Haiti's government, ravaging the economy of a nation already twice as poor as any in the Western Hemisphere.

The cutoff, intended to pressure the government to adopt political reforms, left Haiti struggling to meet even basic needs and weakened the authority of President Jean-Bertrand Aristide, who went into exile one week ago.

Today, Haiti's government, which serves 8 million people, has an annual budget of about $300 million-less than that of Cambridge [Massachusetts], a city of just over 100,000. And as Haitians attempt to form a new government, many say its success will largely depend on how much and how soon aid will flow to the country.

Many of Aristide's supporters, in Haiti and abroad, angrily contend that the international community, particularly the United States, abandoned the fledgling democracy when it most needed aid. Many believe that Aristide himself was the target of the de facto economic sanctions, just as Haiti was beginning to put its finances back in order
UIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeace

United States

#3024 Nov 18, 2012
Johnny wrote:
<quoted text>
__________
Ha. Come on. Writing style is the exact, same.
Most of all, your IP number reading is identical to ASIANLATINO.
Come on, you've said the exact, same stuff on a different thread on Topixs Top Stories forum 3 weeks ago.
You remember the Food Stamp thread?--- Ha, ha.
Hey, right here. You are inadvertently acknowledging that you are one & the same.
Regarding your question about the Food Stamp thread.--- I haven't seen that thread since around mid, 2010. I stopped blogging on that thread back in around late, 2009.
But, we did have some really good blog discussions & debates on that thread. About politics & about how our federal government operates, etc..
Also, about our nations foreign policy.
I copy some of his post and he copy my posts! Different posters!

i remember food Stamp Topic, oh yes we did have good debates.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#3025 Nov 18, 2012
UIdiotRaceMAkeWorldPeace ---- You said "He [Aristide] did not resign. He was abducted by the United States in the commission of a coup".---

Actually, Jean-Bertrand Aristides abduction was carried out not by American military forces.

Aristide & his entire family were abducted by a combined Haitian, Dominican & Jamaican Paramilitary / Death Squad unit.

Why did this happen?--- Because Haitis president back then, Jean-Bertrand Aristide didn't want to play ball with the United States (US) federal government, Israeli government & the British government.

Aristide was going against American, Israeli & British interests.

Subsequently, there were consequences for Aristide.

There were consequences for Haitian army generals & officers who were loyal to Aristide.

There were consequences for Haitian police officials who were loyal to Aristide.

There were also consequences for Aristides supporters throughout Haiti. Primarily in the Haitian cities of Port-au-Prince, Gonaives & Cap-Haitien.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#3026 Nov 18, 2012
UIdiotRaceMAkeWorldPeace wrote:
<quoted text>i remember food Stamp Topic, oh yes we did have good debates.
__________

Absolutely.^5.

Granted, we are coming from opposite ends of the political spectrum. But, we have had many, many good blog discussions & debates. On many, different threads on Topix.

Hey, that is what a public message board is for. For blog discussions & debates. About the exchange of ideas.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#3027 Nov 18, 2012
UIdiotRaceMAkeWorldPeace --- You said "The U.S. has plundered Haitian society for decades".--- Not true.

The United States (US) federal government & American businesses have put investments into Haiti.

Via these investments, the Haitian masses benefit.

Via these investments, the US federal gov't & American businesses get returns.
UIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeace

United States

#3028 Nov 18, 2012
Noam Chomsky,

In 1978, US experts became concerned that swine fever in the Dominican Republic might threaten the US pig industry. The US initiated a $23 million extermination and restocking program aimed at replacing all of the 1.3 million pigs in Haiti, which were among the peasants' most important possessions, even considered a "bank account" in case of need. Though some Haitian pigs had been found to be infected, few had died, possibly because of their remarkable disease-resistance, some veterinary experts felt. Peasants were skeptical, speculating that the affair had been staged so that "Americans could make money selling their pigs." The program was initiated in 1982, well after traces of disease had disappeared. Two years later, there were no pigs in Haiti.

Peasants regarded this as "the very last thing left in the possible punishments that have afflicted us." A Haitian economist described the enterprise as "the worst calamity to ever befall the peasant," even apart from the $600 million value of the destroyed livestock: "The real loss to the peasant is incalculable...[The peasant economy] is reeling from the impact of being without pigs. A whole way of life has been destroyed in this survival economy." School registration dropped 40-50 percent and sales of merchandise plummeted, as the marginal economy collapsed. A USAID-OAS program then sent pigs from Iowa-for many peasants, confirming their suspicions. These were, however, to be made available only to peasants who could show that they had the capital necessary to feed the new arrivals arid to house them according to specifications. Unlike the native Haitian pigs, the Iowa replacements often succumbed to disease, and could survive only on expensive feed, at a cost that ran up to $250 a year, a huge sum for impoverished peasants. One predictable result was new fortunes for the Duvalier clique and their successors who gained .control of the feed market.
UIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeace

United States

#3029 Nov 18, 2012
Johnny wrote:
UIdiotRaceMAkeWorldPeace ---- You said "He [Aristide] did not resign. He was abducted by the United States in the commission of a coup".---
Actually, Jean-Bertrand Aristides abduction was carried out not by American military forces.
Aristide & his entire family were abducted by a combined Haitian, Dominican & Jamaican Paramilitary / Death Squad unit.
Why did this happen?--- Because Haitis president back then, Jean-Bertrand Aristide didn't want to play ball with the United States (US) federal government, Israeli government & the British government.
Aristide was going against American, Israeli & British interests.
Subsequently, there were consequences for Aristide.
There were consequences for Haitian army generals & officers who were loyal to Aristide.
There were consequences for Haitian police officials who were loyal to Aristide.
There were also consequences for Aristides supporters throughout Haiti. Primarily in the Haitian cities of Port-au-Prince, Gonaives & Cap-Haitien.
NOPE!

New Randall Robinson Book Reveals Truth on Aristide Kidnapping
Wednesday, 12 September 2007

In the twilight of dawn, U.S. forces kidnapped a sovereign head of state from the Caribbean, sent him to a French-dominated neo-colony prison in Africa, and pretended that the prisoner and his wife were voluntarily leaving their country: Haiti. The U.S. corporate media bought the story hook-line-and-sinker, disbelieving their own correspondents who had long been reporting that a U.S.-instigated coup was underway. TransAfrica founder Randall Robinson's new book unveils the real story, of international criminality on the part of the Bush administration, that took Haiti to its knees, once again. Democracy has no place in U.S. foreign policy - only raw force will do.
UIdiotRaceMAkeWo rldPeace

United States

#3030 Nov 18, 2012
The U.S. and Europe greeted the black nation's birth with an economic boycott. And, strange as it may seem, in 1825 France imposed a debt on its former colony equal to $21 billion in 2004 U.S. dollars "as compensation from the newly freed slaves for denying France the further benefit of owning them," Robinson writes.

The ravaging of Haiti included a brutal U.S. occupation from 1915 to 1934 resulting in the deaths of some 15,000 Haitians. During that time the U.S. repaid Haiti's debt to France, imposing in turn its own $16 million obligation on the Haitian people, which Haiti did not pay off until 1947.

The U.S.-supported dictatorial rule of father, then son, Duvalier (1956-1986) would further impoverish the exploited masses.

"Haiti on an operational level could be likened to racialist South Africa. In exchange for the trappings of state power, the dictator Francois Duvalier and his black successors gave to the white and mulatto upper class a free hand to exploit the huge black, largely illiterate labor force in any way it saw fit," Robinson writes.

A priest who would later gave up the priesthood, Aristide became known and loved among the masses for preaching of the dignity and rights of the poorest of the poor. He was elected president in 1990, despite the hostility of the upper classes which had been given free reign by the Duvaliers and the post-Duvalier regimes. Aristide was toppled by a military coup after only nine months in office. Ending a brutal military rule, President Bill Clinton supported Aristide's return to Haiti in 1994 with conditions including a demand to privatize Haitian industries.

Among Aristide's first acts on his return to office was to abolish the military, some of whose former members would become rebel leaders in 2003-2004. After the five-year presidency of Rene Préval - president again today - Aristide was reelected in 2001. His attempts to ease the burden of the poor, such as doubling the minimum wage to $2/day, provoked the anger of the upper classes and their American frie

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