lightbeamrider

Fargo, ND

#102 Mar 20, 2012
sofa_king_cool wrote:
What created the creator? He/she didn't become something out of nothing.
Things that begin to exist needs a Cause. God is Uncaused Cause.
And who or what gave him/her such power? Why is your one god any more believable than the many Greek or Roman gods? The 20th century demonstrated what exactly?
God's power is from Himself. God is sufficient Cause to effect everything and keep it going. Greek and Roman Gods are inside creation. God is outside time space and matter.
Is the universe infinite?
Infinity exists as a concept. In time space and matter it does not exist. If we had an infinite number of days past we would never get to today.
Simple minds can't rap themselves around incredible concepts like infinity. So they cling to mythical characters like Santa Claus to explain what they cannot understand.
You don't know the difference between Santa Claus and God? Look when it comes to God this is where your head is.
HTTP://www.ebaumsworld.com/picture/view/58073...
lightbeamrider

Fargo, ND

#103 Mar 20, 2012
blacklagoon wrote:
[Inert elements did not exist prior to Creation]
Can you prove this positive statement?
Science has already demonstrated that.
You have made an assertion that no inert elements didn't exist prior to creation. You now have four things to prove, number 1.) That a creation took place. 2.) That an intelligence was the cause of that creation. 3.) Evidence that point to a spastic creator being. 4.) That no inert elements existed before the creation.
Actually i do not have to prove anything. I just have to tell u and i did. Science demonstrates the universe had a beginning at the big bang. It is either true or it is not. There are five lines of science which demonstrate the beginning of the universe.
Lets try this again.
www.ebaumsworld.com pictures/view/58073/
When u get ur head unstuck perhaps u will be able to see the light of day.

Since: Jun 07

Allentown Pa

#104 Mar 20, 2012
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Sure, how about a miracle that eliminated starvation in thousands of children dying in Africa. Now there's a worthy miracle. Humm, lets see------dry spot-------no starvation in children..........pretty easy decision if you're a God isn't it? Conclusion........No god exists, or he exists and is cruel beyond belief, pick one!!!!
Or instead of "god" curing someone's cancer, with the help of 100's of thousands of dollars, chemotherapy, radiation treatments, thousands of other medications, and around the clock care by doctors... Let god fix an amputee. That would be a miracle. The cancer, that is cured by the doctors every bit as much as "god". Let god fix something doctors can't fix.

Since: Jun 07

Allentown Pa

#105 Mar 20, 2012
Idi O Syncrasy wrote:
<quoted text>
Words like 'start' and 'finish' denote a period or interval of time, linear time.
God created time, God exists outside of time and is therefore not bound by the limitations of time.
Thus, God does not need any starting point as God is eternal, without beginning and without end.
Without existence, without evidence, without proof, without consensus, without reality, and without reason.
Again, a christian is basically getting all their information from a plagiarized literary work. The story of Christ was told for hundreds of years, even thousands of years before he ever existed. The virgin birth, done before. Crucifixion, done before. Resurrection, done before. The whole story was told before. So if that story is stolen and obviously old fiction, what makes any other parts of the bible true?

Since: Jun 07

Allentown Pa

#106 Mar 20, 2012
Idi O Syncrasy wrote:
<quoted text>
That's because it was a question that needed asking.
So I could provide the answer.
God works in mysterious ways.
And your answer is s silly as your suggestion that a mysterious guy in the sky cares so much about this silly little thread that he had two of us non believers ask similar questions.
We asked similar questions because anyone with any reason would ask the same questions.

Since: Jun 07

Allentown Pa

#107 Mar 20, 2012
Idi O Syncrasy wrote:
<quoted text>
You say the cosmos has always existed?
Good grief! Next you'll be telling everybody the Earth is flat!
A simple study of physics would tell you that the cosmos has a beginning.
Just as the opening line of The Bible tells you.......In the beginning....
There you have it.
Affirmation from two authoritative sources, science and religion.
Can't get much better than that!
The theory that the universe is always expanding isn't that "space" is always expanding. There can be no end to space. If there was there would have to be a wall of sorts. What's on the other side of the wall? More space? NO. Space itself is infinite. The objects in space are ever expanding, filling more of the space.
Nice try. Using the bible to explain physics.
andet1987

Chicago, IL

#108 Mar 20, 2012
sofa_king_cool wrote:
<quoted text>And your answer is s silly as your suggestion that a mysterious guy in the sky cares so much about this silly little thread that he had two of us non believers ask similar questions.
We asked similar questions because anyone with any reason would ask the same questions.
just because you have not experienced a real miracle does not mean you don't have to believe in God. before, i used to believe in God but with a little skepticism. but after i experienced a real miracle last June 30, 2011, my belief became serious. God is real and God does exist. i am not a skeptic anymore.

Since: Jun 07

Allentown Pa

#109 Mar 20, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Things that begin to exist needs a Cause. God is Uncaused Cause.<quoted text> God's power is from Himself. God is sufficient Cause to effect everything and keep it going. Greek and Roman Gods are inside creation. God is outside time space and matter.
<quoted text> Infinity exists as a concept. In time space and matter it does not exist. If we had an infinite number of days past we would never get to today.
<quoted text>
You don't know the difference between Santa Claus and God? Look when it comes to God this is where your head is.
HTTP://www.ebaumsworld.com/picture/view/58073...
Uncaused cause? Chicken or the egg? If god exists, someone created that god. He wasn't created out of inert particles.
Greek and Roman Gods are inside creation? What does that even mean? God, as you know him, is a man made creation as well. Created by men to control the masses. Do this or you'll burn in hell.
God and Santa were created for the same reason. God to give ignorant people a reason to follow the rules and commands of their leaders, which in ancient times were priests. Santa was created to give kids a reason to behave. "You better watch out, you better not cry, you better not pout, I'm telling you why... God will send you to hell.... I mean, Santa Claus is coming to town.
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#110 Mar 20, 2012
Idi O Syncrasy wrote:
<quoted text>
Words like 'start' and 'finish' denote a period or interval of time, linear time.
God created time, God exists outside of time and is therefore not bound by the limitations of time.
Thus, God does not need any starting point as God is eternal, without beginning and without end.
Your not able to define God, how can you even begin to claim this non-entity created anything, especially time? If true, and this thing, whatever you think it is, exists outside of time, how can you know it exists
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#111 Mar 20, 2012
Idi O Syncrasy wrote:
<quoted text>
That's because it was a question that needed asking.
So I could provide the answer.
God works in mysterious ways.
God works in mysterious ways is the answer that is given when no reasonable or logical explanation exits. It's one of the biggest copouts ever.
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#112 Mar 20, 2012
Idi O Syncrasy wrote:
<quoted text>
You say the cosmos has always existed?
Good grief! Next you'll be telling everybody the Earth is flat!
A simple study of physics would tell you that the cosmos has a beginning.
Just as the opening line of The Bible tells you.......In the beginning....
There you have it.
Affirmation from two authoritative sources, science and religion.
Can't get much better than that!
No, a simple study of physics tells you no such thing, and the bible cannot be used for anything dealing with science and reality.

Stephen Hawking completely changed his mind on a finite universe after studying the physics of the universe, and came to the logical conclusion that it is quite possible the universe as we know it may not have boundaries. "A universe without boundaries, without edges, an infinite universe may have always existed, If so what use of a creator."

Mulit-universe theory where universes are connected like so many bubbles.

The bible is NOT an authoritative source. It's an ancient book of stories and immoral teachings written by unknown authors at a time when knowledge of science was non-existent.

Quantum tunneling were one universe tunnels to another.

Neil Turoks theory of the big bang being a local event, were the universe is cyclical.

There are many SCIENTIFIC THEORIES regarding the universe, non of them invoke magic.
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#113 Mar 20, 2012
Idi O Syncrasy wrote:
<quoted text>
You say the cosmos has always existed?
Good grief! Next you'll be telling everybody the Earth is flat!
A simple study of physics would tell you that the cosmos has a beginning.
Just as the opening line of The Bible tells you.......In the beginning....
There you have it.
Affirmation from two authoritative sources, science and religion.
Can't get much better than that!
The bible is an ancient book written by unknown authors that contain stories and immoral teachings. Given the supposed time frame that it was written, it can say nothing about science.
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#114 Mar 20, 2012
[God's power is from Himself. God is sufficient Cause to effect everything and keep it going. Greek and Roman Gods are inside creation. God is outside time space and matter]

If god is outs time, space, and matter, then it is IMPOSSIBLE to know anything about him. You have just proven that no god could be detected, so in effect you have just confirmed that god is non-existent. Thanks for your support.
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#115 Mar 20, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Science has already demonstrated that.<quoted text> Actually i do not have to prove anything. I just have to tell u and i did. Science demonstrates the universe had a beginning at the big bang. It is either true or it is not. There are five lines of science which demonstrate the beginning of the universe.
Lets try this again.
www.ebaumsworld.com pictures/view/58073/
When u get ur head unstuck perhaps u will be able to see the light of day.
Science has demonstrated that a big bang happened, it makes no claims about what existed before the singularity. Cyclical universes are one oaf many possibilities.

Post the five lines of science which demonstrate the beginning of the universe.

ebarnumworld, is a worthless site, I see nothing but a 4 years old trying a sky jump, and other meaningless subjects.

Try posting some things of substance!!!
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#116 Mar 20, 2012
[You don't know the difference between Santa Claus and God? Look when it comes to God this is where your head is]

There is NO difference between Santa Claus and god, both are fictitious characters. You seem to think one exists and the other does not. This is easily remedied by showing demonstrable evidence that one of these fictitious beings exists. Chose one, and show us your evidence.

Since: Jun 07

Allentown Pa

#118 Mar 21, 2012
andet1987 wrote:
<quoted text>
just because you have not experienced a real miracle does not mean you don't have to believe in God. before, i used to believe in God but with a little skepticism. but after i experienced a real miracle last June 30, 2011, my belief became serious. God is real and God does exist. i am not a skeptic anymore.
A real miracle huh? God grew a new arm for an amputee? Stopped millions from starving?

Since: Aug 07

South Central Virginia

#119 Mar 21, 2012
Idi O Syncrasy wrote:
<quoted text>
Words like 'start' and 'finish' denote a period or interval of time, linear time.
God created time, God exists outside of time and is therefore not bound by the limitations of time.
Thus, God does not need any starting point as God is eternal, without beginning and without end.
And yet God, who presume to be intelligent came to being without prior intelligence. Further, God came to be before matter or energy existed and therefore came from nothing. Both of these things you claim are impossible.
andet1987

Serena, IL

#120 Mar 21, 2012
sofa_king_cool wrote:
<quoted text>A real miracle huh? God grew a new arm for an amputee? Stopped millions from starving?
but God gave that amputee the ability to make the most out of being an amputee, able to survive despite being an amputee.

starvation is God's way of insinuating that you should use your body and mind and stop being very lazy.
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#121 Mar 21, 2012
[but God gave that amputee the ability to make the most out of being an amputee, able to survive despite being an amputee]

Well how very nice of God. He has the ability to cure, but instead he would rather watch and see how this poor person navigates through life with a serious disability. And exactly what did god "give" this person? If your an amputee in a poor country you are most likely only able to survive by being a beggar. So god gave this person the ability to become a beggar because he refuses to help? Your clownish defense of this demon god is becoming comical.
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#122 Mar 21, 2012
[starvation is God's way of insinuating that you should use your body and mind and stop being very lazy]

Yes I know what you mean, all those lazy ass children in Africa dying a horrible death by starvation. That will teach them for being so damn lazy. Why can't that 2 year old and his 3 year old brother get off their lazy little asses and do some work, stop being so lazy. I guess they deserve to die. Although I wouldn't consider the mother of 4 who tried to save her children by trekking many miles to a refugee center lazy. She actually had to make a difficult choice because two of the children became exhausted and weak from starvation (lazy little frackers) and could not continue. She made the difficult decision to leave them by the road side and continue on with the remaining two. The lazy ass children left by the side of the road were ages 4 and 6. If they hadn't bee so lazy they could have continued on with Mom and the others. They paid for their laziness though, they were both found dead the next day, serves them right!!!!!11

A person with the mindset that you have, is considered to be highly immoral, just like your god.

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