Kindergarten sex ed becoming mandatory in England

[pretty_smart_n2_ funny]

Gloria wrote:

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EXACTLY. I love how some of these freaks on here think that providing children with information is somehow related to pedophilia.

I know.. and too think these people so against sex education participated in the perveted, barbaric act they are so against the school teaching to bring their own children into the world.

[pretty_smart_n2_ funny]

Sublime1 wrote:

Boy, they sure start them off early across the pond.
I see absolutely no compelling reasons why you need to teach kids in kindergarten sex ed. I bet Pete Townshend is really excited about this, however.

What would be a compelling reason not to??

[Gloria]

Sublime1 wrote:

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Yea, but are people growing up damaged because they were not taught sex education in kindergarten? Don't you think the solution should at least somewhat match the problem? I cannot trace any of today's problems to the fact that kids are not taught about sex in kindergarten. Am I missing something?

I didn't get the impression that the children were going to be taught SEX in kindergarten, but the subject would be addressed in an age appropriate way. Clearly a child that age would be incapable of understanding the concept in it's entirety. Teaching children about their body parts, good/bad touch etc. isn't quite the same as giving a full fledged sex ed lesson. I think this aleviates some of the shame and potential embarassment that some people have in regards to this subject. If children are taught early that it's OK to talk about their bodies and learn how they work, they are more likely to use that knowledge when it comes to the point when they decide to have sex.

[pretty_smart_n2_ funny]

Sublime1 wrote:

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Yea, but are people growing up damaged because they were not taught sex education in kindergarten? Don't you think the solution should at least somewhat match the problem? I cannot trace any of today's problems to the fact that kids are not taught about sex in kindergarten. Am I missing something?

People are growing up damaged because they are not educated and confident. Again, education brings confidence in decisions and the ability to say NO.

[Gloria]

pretty_smart_n2_funny wrote:

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I know.. and too think these people so against sex education participated in the perveted, barbaric act they are so against the school teaching to bring their own children into the world.

Yup, if the kids don't have any concept of sex, then they don't know to watch out for molesters.

[Sublime1]

pretty_smart_n2_funny wrote:

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What would be a compelling reason not to??

Nice try. Um, usually, you change policy for at least some reason.

For example, no politician comes onto the floor and says, "My fellow colleagues, I have sponsored so and so bill. I cannot think of single darn reason why we should pass this bill, but I also cannot think of a single darn reason why we should not. Therefore, I strongly recommend that you all vote yes."

Not very persuasive, is it?

Further, to the extent they are learning sex ed in kindergarten they are not learning some other subject. That alone is a compelling reason enough. Sex ed is useless in kindergarten. Kids don't start having sex in kindergarten. It would be like teaching them how to drive in kindergarten.

Whereas, sex ed in kindergarten is useless, on the other hand, reading, writing, letters, and numbers are really important. You cannot really get to much of that at that age. I'd rather have the teachers working on that stuff.

[Sublime1]

too much

[sarah]

Not sure about any of you, but when I started school in Kindergarten, I learned about the birds and the bees from my best friend. It was not the message that any parent would have wanted. As a matter of fact, the education I got was the visual finger in hole education. Kindergarten may be too young for kids to learn formally, but I have a feeling many of these kids may already know from friends.

[Politically Incorrect]

HyperU2 wrote:

It should be the parents responsibility.

Yeah, it should, but sadly, many times, the parents are embarrassed to talk to their kids about sex...and they defy the school system to teach it also. I can't say as I blame them. How many teachers have you heard of that has taken advantage of kids...not in sex class, but drivers ed, math, etc?

Some are saying the kids should learn the body parts at the age of 5 or so. You mean the proper name for them? I disagree. If a child is molested, when the therapist speaks with them, they do more visual (doll), than vocal.

[Sublime1]

By the way, it is nothing personal against sex ed. I think it is great that kids are taught it. Knowledge is indeed a good thing.

However, basically, you have to give me a reason why doing this at such a little age is going to solve some problem. I just cannot think of one way the world will be better if 5 year olds are taught about sex.

[Sublime1]

Gloria wrote:

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I didn't get the impression that the children were going to be taught SEX in kindergarten, but the subject would be addressed in an age appropriate way. Clearly a child that age would be incapable of understanding the concept in it's entirety. Teaching children about their body parts, good/bad touch etc. isn't quite the same as giving a full fledged sex ed lesson. I think this aleviates some of the shame and potential embarassment that some people have in regards to this subject. If children are taught early that it's OK to talk about their bodies and learn how they work, they are more likely to use that knowledge when it comes to the point when they decide to have sex.

Good/bad touching, I think is totally appropriate. Beyond that, the benefits are quite amorphous.

Also, I think you can teach kids to be comfortable with their bodies without getting to heavily involved in the sex part. If you want to teach about the body and its functions, that is fine, do what ever you wish, but stay away from the sex part at that age. Unless the parents are whack, I think most kids are too little at that age to develop a complex about that stuff.

[pssshh]

I'm not sure how it is in the UK, but it seems in the US and other places it seems kids are basically taught isolated facts without an understanding of the context and how one thing relates to another. So if we're going to talk about human sexuality and development, then it makes sense some kind of basic psychological literacy should be taught at some point - and it'd certainly be nice if parents had some real understanding in that department.

[pretty_smart_n2_ funny]

Sublime1 wrote:

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Nice try. Um, usually, you change policy for at least some reason.
For example, no politician comes onto the floor and says, "My fellow colleagues, I have sponsored so and so bill. I cannot think of single darn reason why we should pass this bill, but I also cannot think of a single darn reason why we should not. Therefore, I strongly recommend that you all vote yes."
Not very persuasive, is it?
Further, to the extent they are learning sex ed in kindergarten they are not learning some other subject. That alone is a compelling reason enough. Sex ed is useless in kindergarten. Kids don't start having sex in kindergarten. It would be like teaching them how to drive in kindergarten.
Whereas, sex ed in kindergarten is useless, on the other hand, reading, writing, letters, and numbers are really important. You cannot really get to much of that at that age. I'd rather have the teachers working on that stuff.

where did you go to high school? They taught you how to have sex??? INCREDIBLE?? you are comparing driving INSTRUCTION to sex EDUCATION!!!!
I wasn't aware. I went to Catholic School; there was no sex ed and i did a lot more personal exploration with masturbation out of curiosity, which led to me thinking sex was for pleasure and and nothing else?? I wondered as a child? why was this so taboo? why can't i learn about this?? and guess what? after the first time, I learned by experience instead of in the proper regulated setting, that it is gross, and painful and it involves emotions that even at the age of i wasn't ready to deal with. GET IT NOW!!!!!

[Sublime1]

pretty_smart_n2_funny wrote:

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where did you go to high school? They taught you how to have sex??? INCREDIBLE?? you are comparing driving INSTRUCTION to sex EDUCATION!!!!
I wasn't aware. I went to Catholic School; there was no sex ed and i did a lot more personal exploration with masturbation out of curiosity, which led to me thinking sex was for pleasure and and nothing else?? I wondered as a child? why was this so taboo? why can't i learn about this?? and guess what? after the first time, I learned by experience instead of in the proper regulated setting, that it is gross, and painful and it involves emotions that even at the age of i wasn't ready to deal with. GET IT NOW!!!!!

I really hope you are a chick. Even if you are not, I'm going to pretend you are. It is much more appealing to be thinking about a girl masturbating then some guy telling me all this.

In terms of my education, yea, they pretty much explained what you do when you have sex, if I remember correctly. I honestly don't even remember how old I was, but it was not kindergarten.

In terms of all that other stuff, that is really dirty and I have never gone solo, ha. No, really, I kind of figured it out on my own and I never saw any shame in it or any shame in my body.

In terms of sex, sex is for pleasure and for procreating. Nothing more nothing less. Emotions are for other aspects of life. I don't cheat on my girl, but I just don't see the emotional thing. I don't have to love a girl to want to have sex with her either. I just have to think she is hot. Maybe it is because I am a guy.

Also, I trust you did not start masturbating and experimenting in kindergarten. So, I think we can agree that even in situations such as yours, you can delay this teaching for at least a little while longer.

[IsayUsay]

Must be parents don't want that responsability any more?
seems parents are too busy for many thing in their kids lives now a days.

I think 6-7 grade is fine. if parents can do and say the sensable things.
Gov, wants to control them to, though,and make it look like parents and family are not important.
They have done that already in many ways.

[Grrrrrr]

blindogg wrote:

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That's right - teach your child that to be open minded is idiotic and the only right way to deal with problems is to react violently.
That's a much better solution.
You would probably rather have your kid learn it from Rush Limbaugh.

Look, my kids are grown. They sure as hell didn't learn about sex in the schools. They learned it at home where they should learn it. Yes, I taught them that they should wait until marriage, but if they felt they could not, to use protection, both condoms and BC. BC does not stop STD's. What the hell does Rush Limbaugh have to do with teaching sex ed. You are another liberal idiot that thinks your way is the only way and if I don't agree with you I am a racist bumbling arse. Well I have news for you, your way is NOT the only way. My kids are not gay or lesbians or promiscuous. They have strong moral values something that liberals know nothing about

[Jannie Dawn]

The XO wrote:

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We homeschooled during Jr HS years and I am so happy we did. Kids get exposed to way too much stupid curriculum and human debris going thru puberty. Unfortunately states are making it more difficult for parents to homeschool.
As for sex ed for the kinders. Don't you think thats a bit young? Don't you think things like this should be taught by parents? Keep this BS in the UK.

There are undoubtably positives to homeschooling but you are not going to beable to go to collage with your kiddos. And so therefore I am going to prepare them the best that I can to live in the world around them. All of this is something no one ever imagines they will have to go through. But that does not make the problem go away. And as for the parents teaching them look around there is a gap somewhere. Kiders are not interested in this stuff but do know about there bodies and need to be informed.

[Patriot BAAK]

SHUTUPBUTTFACE wrote:

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You did come from a monkey: a monkey's rectum I mean. I don't know about the dust but your mother has been known to take anything for a good buzz.

To: Skull and Crossbones, you are standing on the right side regarding the fact that any child under 14 is too young. Yeah, it's always the vermin teaching evolution and antiGod

[Patriot BAAK]

Gloria wrote:

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I didn't get the impression that the children were going to be taught SEX in kindergarten, but the subject would be addressed in an age appropriate way. Clearly a child that age would be incapable of understanding the concept in it's entirety. Teaching children about their body parts, good/bad touch etc. isn't quite the same as giving a full fledged sex ed lesson. I think this aleviates some of the shame and potential embarassment that some people have in regards to this subject. If children are taught early that it's OK to talk about their bodies and learn how they work, they are more likely to use that knowledge when it comes to the point when they decide to have sex.

Right On Sister!!!

[Patriot BAAK]

Sublime1 wrote:

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I really hope you are a chick. Even if you are not, I'm going to pretend you are. It is much more appealing to be thinking about a girl masturbating then some guy telling me all this.
In terms of my education, yea, they pretty much explained what you do when you have sex, if I remember correctly. I honestly don't even remember how old I was, but it was not kindergarten.
In terms of all that other stuff, that is really dirty and I have never gone solo, ha. No, really, I kind of figured it out on my own and I never saw any shame in it or any shame in my body.
In terms of sex, sex is for pleasure and for procreating. Nothing more nothing less. Emotions are for other aspects of life. I don't cheat on my girl, but I just don't see the emotional thing. I don't have to love a girl to want to have sex with her either. I just have to think she is hot. Maybe it is because I am a guy.
Also, I trust you did not start masturbating and experimenting in kindergarten. So, I think we can agree that even in situations such as yours, you can delay this teaching for at least a little while longer.

Just remember one thing, you have a conscience and you are liable to chose right from wrong everytime. So in other words it is never right to have sex just for fun w/ people you do not know. God meant for sex to be between one man and one woman only!