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D-Day

Thief River Falls, MN

#48447 Jun 5, 2014
"Germany lost the Second World War on the plains of the USSR and not in the bocage in Normandy"

Western historians may well boast of the fifty-six German divisions tied up in the west when the Normandy invasion was launched, but most (thirty-three) of those divisions were immobile second rate garrison divisions. Many would, as it turned out, put up a fight where they could, but they were the major weak link in the German defences. The German material situation at Normandy was likewise an unenviable one and many of the troops there had to make do with variegated armaments that had been captured earlier in the war. Not only did this make for a logistic nightmare, but many of these weapons were obsolescent. True, some divisions in the east were in little better condition, but, unlike Normandy, this was usually as a direct result of battle.

Prior to 1944, Western Europe effectively served as a reserve area for other fronts, particularly that in the east. Few units in the west could expect to receive their full allotment of equipment and those that did, could expect to end up in the east, or later, possibly Italy. Many units were sent west to recuperate after receiving a battering and could also expect to be sent back east if they were ever brought back up to strength. It was not until 1944 that the Germans really attempted to build up their forces in the west, but by then it was already too late.

The war in the east bled the German Army to its bones. Blinded by patriotism and anti-Stalinism, few Western historians point this out. Whatever the beliefs of some historians, it seems clear that Nazi Germany's war against the Soviet Union was the most important war of the several that Adolf Hitler had become involved in in Europe and Africa. As Stephen B Patrick has written, in reality, Germany lost the Second World War on the plains of the USSR and not in the bocage in Normandy.'The war in the East was prodigious', he writes.'Few in the West can grasp its magnitude ... The Germans had grabbed a tiger by the tail in 1941, couldn't let go and eventually were destroyed'(6)

http://samilitaryhistory.org/vol096gs.html
D-Day

Thief River Falls, MN

#48448 Jun 5, 2014
Utah Beach was defended by one regiment of the German 709th Division, a "static" (non-mobile) outfit composed of reservists and foreign volunteers, many of them anti-Communist Russians from the Republic of Georgia. American Paratroopers inland had cut their communication lines and they were unable to sound an alert.

The aerial bombardment, as at Utah Beach, was completely ineffective. Owing in part to poor flying weather, the 2.5 million pounds of bombs fell inland of Omaha Beach, killing some French civilians and many cattle, but few Germans.

Omaha Beach was normally defended by a regiment of the static 716th German Division, which was no better than the German regiment at Utah Beach. But, as I mentioned, the 716th had been reinforced by elements of the crack mobile 352nd Division, one regiment at the beach defenses, two regiments only a few miles away at Bayeux. The regiment of the static 716th Division at Omaha Beach had actually been incorporated into the command structure of the 352nd Division. Thus at Omaha Beach, we faced better than two regiments of German troops, many of them first-line.
D-Day

Thief River Falls, MN

#48449 Jun 5, 2014
Dunkirk
Almost four years prior to D-day, in mid-1940, Nazi behemoth Panzer tanks had pushed 338,000 soldiers of British Expeditionary Forces, including 100,000 Frenchmen, towards the English Channel. They were trapped in Dunkirk Harbour on the far Western Front, backs to the wall, with no escape route but the cruel sea.

Britain’s War Office alerted “everything that could float,” to rescue the trapped men from impending massacre. Big ships and small boats rushed all night from Dover to Dunkirk, navigating the 50-mile channel through watery mine fields.

Hitler let them escape as a gesture to the UK trying to get them to join the future invasion of Russia.
D-Day

Thief River Falls, MN

#48450 Jun 5, 2014


A Reality Check here on YouTube showing the Real World War 2 as it happened.
Fatboy

Hallstahammar, Sweden

#48451 Jun 5, 2014
D-Day wrote:
"Germany lost the Second World War on the plains of the USSR and not in the bocage in Normandy"
Western historians may well boast of the fifty-six German divisions tied up in the west when the Normandy invasion was launched, but most (thirty-three) of those divisions were immobile second rate garrison divisions. Many would, as it turned out, put up a fight where they could, but they were the major weak link in the German defences. The German material situation at Normandy was likewise an unenviable one and many of the troops there had to make do with variegated armaments that had been captured earlier in the war. Not only did this make for a logistic nightmare, but many of these weapons were obsolescent. True, some divisions in the east were in little better condition, but, unlike Normandy, this was usually as a direct result of battle.
Prior to 1944, Western Europe effectively served as a reserve area for other fronts, particularly that in the east. Few units in the west could expect to receive their full allotment of equipment and those that did, could expect to end up in the east, or later, possibly Italy. Many units were sent west to recuperate after receiving a battering and could also expect to be sent back east if they were ever brought back up to strength. It was not until 1944 that the Germans really attempted to build up their forces in the west, but by then it was already too late.
The war in the east bled the German Army to its bones. Blinded by patriotism and anti-Stalinism, few Western historians point this out. Whatever the beliefs of some historians, it seems clear that Nazi Germany's war against the Soviet Union was the most important war of the several that Adolf Hitler had become involved in in Europe and Africa. As Stephen B Patrick has written, in reality, Germany lost the Second World War on the plains of the USSR and not in the bocage in Normandy.'The war in the East was prodigious', he writes.'Few in the West can grasp its magnitude ... The Germans had grabbed a tiger by the tail in 1941, couldn't let go and eventually were destroyed'(6)
http://samilitaryhistory.org/vol096gs.html
Two of the most evil regimes this continent has ever seen clashed....GOOD!
cowboy

Spanish Fork, UT

#48457 Jun 5, 2014
D-Day wrote:
Utah Beach was defended by one regiment of the German 709th Division, a "static" (non-mobile) outfit composed of reservists and foreign volunteers, many of them anti-Communist Russians from the Republic of Georgia. American Paratroopers inland had cut their communication lines and they were unable to sound an alert.
The aerial bombardment, as at Utah Beach, was completely ineffective. Owing in part to poor flying weather, the 2.5 million pounds of bombs fell inland of Omaha Beach, killing some French civilians and many cattle, but few Germans.
Omaha Beach was normally defended by a regiment of the static 716th German Division, which was no better than the German regiment at Utah Beach. But, as I mentioned, the 716th had been reinforced by elements of the crack mobile 352nd Division, one regiment at the beach defenses, two regiments only a few miles away at Bayeux. The regiment of the static 716th Division at Omaha Beach had actually been incorporated into the command structure of the 352nd Division. Thus at Omaha Beach, we faced better than two regiments of German troops, many of them first-line.
Here you are dummy.

Army Group B...Rommel.
7th Army..Dollmann.
LXXIV Corps....Marcks.

Omaha was defended by the 352nd Infantry Division, regular Heers(Army) not conscripts.

The 709th was stationed on the Contentin Pennisula, Utah beach.

The 716th and 21st were around Caen...

But, does it really matter? The US and UK prevailed...

BTW.
Do you know the difference between the OKH and OKW?

How are those "GPS" drives going?
D-Day

Thief River Falls, MN

#48458 Jun 5, 2014
German order of battle

German soldiers were now on average six years older than their Allied counterparts. Many in the Normandy area were Ostlegionen (eastern legions)– conscripts and volunteers from Russia, Mongolia, and elsewhere. They were provided mainly with unreliable captured equipment and lacked motorised transport.[45] Many German units were understrength

709th Infantry Division (Cotentin Peninsula)

Allied forces attacking Utah Beach faced the following German units stationed on the Cotentin Peninsula:

709th Static Infantry Division under Generalleutnant Karl-Wilhelm von Schlieben numbered 12,320 men, many of them Ostlegionen (non-German conscripts recruited from Soviet prisoners of war, Georgians, and Poles).[47]
729th Grenadier Regiment[48]
739th Grenadier Regiment[48]
919th Grenadier Regiment[48]

352nd Infantry Division (Grandcamps Sector)
German troops using captured French tanks (Beutepanzer) in Normandy, 1944

Americans assaulting Omaha Beach were faced with troops of the 352nd Infantry Division under Generalleutnant Dietrich Kraiss, a full-strength unit of around 12,000 brought in by Rommel on 15 March and reinforced by two additional regiments.[49]

914th Grenadier Regiment[50]
915th Grenadier Regiment (as reserves)[50]
916th Grenadier Regiment[50]
726th Infantry Regiment (from 716th Infantry Division)[50]
352nd Artillery Regiment[50]

Allied forces at Gold and Juno faced the following elements of the 352nd Infantry Division:

914th Grenadier Regiment[51]
915th Grenadier Regiment[51]
916th Grenadier Regiment[51]
352nd Artillery Regiment[51]

716th Infantry Division (near Caen)

Allied forces attacking Gold, Juno, and Sword Beaches faced the following German units:

716th Static Infantry Division under Generalleutnant Wilhelm Richter. At 7,000 troops, the division was significantly understrength.[52]
736th Infantry Regiment[53]
1716th Artillery Regiment[53]

21st Panzer Division (south of Caen)

21st Panzer Division under Generalmajor Edgar Feuchtinger included 146 tanks and 50 assault guns, plus supporting infantry and artillery.[54]
100th Panzer Regiment[51]
125th Panzergrenadier Regiment[51]
192nd Panzergrenadier Regiment[51]
155th Panzer Artillery Regiment[51]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normandy_landing...
D-Day

Thief River Falls, MN

#48459 Jun 5, 2014
Order of battle Wehrmacht

The Wehrmacht's forces were based on a number of logistic lines of communications and centres/hubs, which were almost immediately declared Feste Plätze (fortified places) by OKH.

North to south these Feste Plätze were:

Army Group North

Reval (Tallinn)
Rakvere
Jõhvi
Dorpat (Tartu)
Pleskau (Pskov)
Ostrov
Opochka
Rēzekne

Panther on the Eastern Front, June 21, 1944

Army Group Centre

Polotsk
Vitebsk
Orsha
Mogilev
Borisov
Minsk
Babruysk
Slutsk
Luninets
Pinsk
Kovel

Army Group Northern Ukraine

Brody
Tarnopol
Proskurov
Zhmerynka

Army Group Southern Ukraine

Vinnitsa
Uman
Novoukrainka
Pervomaisk
Voznesensk
Nikolayev

Army Group Centre (Feldmarshal Ernst Busch to 28 June; then Feldmarshal Walter Model)

Third Panzer Army (Colonel-General Georg-Hans Reinhardt)
IX Corps (General Rolf Wuthmann)

LIII Corps (General Friedrich Gollwitzer)

VI Corps (General Georg Pfeiffer to 28 June)
Reserve: 14th Infantry Division

Fourth Army (General Kurt von Tippelskirch)
XXVII Corps (General Paul Völckers)

XXXIX Panzer Corps (General Robert Martinek to 28 June; then Lieutenant-General Otto Schünemann to 29 June)

XII Corps (General Vincenz Müller)

Reserve: Panzergrenadier-Division Feldherrnhalle, 286th Security Division

Ninth Army (General Hans Jordan to 27 June; then General Nikolaus von Vormann)

XXXV Corps (Lieutenant-General Kurt-Jürgen Freiherr von Lützow)

XXXXI Panzer Corps (Lieutenant-General Edmund Hoffmeister)

LV Corps (General Friedrich Herrlein)

Reserve: 20th Panzer Division, 707th Infantry Division

Second Army (Colonel-General Walter Weiss)

Two special representatives to Stavka were appointed to coordinate the operations of the Fronts involved: Aleksandr Vasilevsky and Georgy Zhukov.

1st Baltic Front (General Ivan Bagramyan)
4th Shock Army
6th Guards Army
43rd Army
3rd Air Army

3rd Belorussian Front (General Ivan Chernyakhovsky)
11th Guards Army (General Kuzma Galitsky)
5th Army
39th Army (General Ivan Lyudnikov)
31st Army (General Vasily Glagolev)
5th Guards Tank Army (General Pavel Rotmistrov)
1st Air Army
Cavalry-mechanised group under command of Lieutenant-General Nikolai Oslikovsky, including 3rd Guards Cavalry Corps

2nd Belorussian Front (Colonel-General Georgy Zakharov)
33rd Army (Lieutenant-General Vasily Kryuchenkin)
49th Army (Lieutenant-General Ivan Grishin)
50th Army (Lieutenant-General Ivan Boldin)
4th Air Army

1st Belorussian Front (General Konstantin Rokossovsky)
3rd Army (General Alexander Gorbatov)
8th Guards Army (Lieutenant-General Vasily Chuikov)
28th Army
48th Army
65th Army (General Pavel Batov)
16th Air Army
Cavalry-mechanised group under command of Lieutenant-General Issa Pliev, including 1st Mechanised Corps, 4th Guards Cavalry Corps

1st Ukrainian Front (Marshal Ivan Konev)
3rd Guards Army (Soviet Union)
13th Army
60th Army
38th Army
1st Guards Army
18th Army
1st Guards Tank Army
3rd Guards Tank Army
4th Tank Army
5th Guards Army
Cavalry-mechanised Group 1 and 2

Operation Bagration began on 22 June 1944, the same calendar day on which the Germans had previously invaded the Soviet Union in 1941, with probing attacks throughout the German lines.

German losses along the Eastern Front from 1 June–29 August 1944 were 71,685 killed, 503,564 wounded and 325,381 missing, for a total of 900,630.[1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Bagrat...
HabhaRAT Trolls Fixers

Buenos Aires, Argentina

#48461 Jun 5, 2014
An NFL Fan wrote:
<quoted text>
Whomever you are, you're semi-literate and stupid, aren't you? Did you fail school? You sound like it.
i r A MORON
You love Satan, smell of shyte and latrines, Too GAY, a drug abuser who preys on children to twist them,Loony Larry Lucifer, competently nuts. and finally admitted to yourself and the world that you are a MORON.

What else is there to add, you said it all.
HabhaRAT Trolls Fixers

Buenos Aires, Argentina

#48462 Jun 5, 2014
-Eight Ball- wrote:
<quoted text>Who's 'we', your pet turd, retard? <¦-o
Obvious to everyone else, are you blind MORONIC Stool?
HabhaRAT Trolls Fixers

Buenos Aires, Argentina

#48463 Jun 5, 2014
normal Aussie wrote:
<quoted text>
You're still here! Give it a break fool.
What are you doing here, dimwit?
HabhaRAT Trolls Fixers

Buenos Aires, Argentina

#48464 Jun 5, 2014
normal Aussie wrote:
<quoted text>
'Carnnot' lol
Hey?

Why can't you compose a coherent sentence? Either you don't speak English, or you have brain damage, snotface.
HabhaRAT Trolls Fixers

Buenos Aires, Argentina

#48465 Jun 5, 2014
normal Aussie wrote:
<quoted text>
'Carnnot' lol
''Carnnot'. What a joke you are, Useless.

Redirected from Loony Larry:

How does it feel to be hopelessly stupid and without talent, creep? Why can't you even spell simple English words?
HabhaRAT Trolls Fixers

Buenos Aires, Argentina

#48466 Jun 5, 2014
-Eight Ball- wrote:
<quoted text>Never talk to a White man that way, boy. <¦-o
Turdskin Oinker, have you changed your turban today?
HabhaRAT Trolls Fixers

Buenos Aires, Argentina

#48467 Jun 5, 2014
Ricky F wrote:
<quoted text>Being the runt of your litter of piglets, what's it like to be the last one to get to a teet or did you chose your fathers bacon instead ?
Hey Kimchy!

Isn't your mom Faith Oinker, so you tell us, piglet.
HabhaRAT Trolls Fixers

Buenos Aires, Argentina

#48468 Jun 5, 2014
normal Aussie wrote:
<quoted text>
Is this a running commentary of your sex romp with your father?
Obviously not but hey is oooooo that hurt me, what you say when Too GAY Loonie Larry romps your arse?
HabhaRAT Trolls Fixers

Buenos Aires, Argentina

#48469 Jun 5, 2014
normal Aussie wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you live in Perth tassie or Wa?
Where do you live?
HabhaRAT Trolls Fixers

Buenos Aires, Argentina

#48470 Jun 5, 2014
normal Aussie wrote:
<quoted text>
You really are stupid aren't you!!
Yes you are.
HabhaRAT Trolls Fixers

Buenos Aires, Argentina

#48471 Jun 5, 2014
An NFL Fan wrote:
<quoted text>
You're upset and crying, aren't you, Useless? That's because you enjoy coming here to be kicked around, isn't it?

SOME GAY BALL IN YOUR MOU WONDER!!!!!!!!
Too Gay please refrain from offering your services here.

Restrict yourself to the Gay and Lesbian forums.
HabhaRAT Trolls Fixers

Buenos Aires, Argentina

#48472 Jun 5, 2014
normal Aussie wrote:
<quoted text>
You won't even tell me what state you're in, you're so chicken shiit!
So what state are you in, dipstick?

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