“Seriously guys...”

Since: May 12

Regina

#33085 Apr 5, 2013
cowboy wrote:
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Actually, you are clearly the clueless one, Bomber Command didn't want the US to daylight bomb because they tried it and the price was to high for the RAF. The RAF only staged daylight raids in 1939/40 and discontinued.(Except for the odd specialty raid)
"Bomber" Harris stated that the US was crazy for insisting on daytime raids....
Know your own history before trying pick apart mine.
The RAF suffered a higher loss ratio from night missions than day missions, approximately double the rate actually. In fact, despite Bomber Command flying 70,000 FEWER sories than the USAAF's heavies, they lost 2000 more bombers than the USAAF. This rather disproves your initial off-handed remark that the RAF bombed at night because they were too scared to fly during the day.
Also keep in mind that until 1942, Bomber Command was equipped primarily with Whitleys, Wellingtons and Hampden/Herefords. They had a small bomb capacity and few guns for defense. Not exactly the type of kites to use in strategic bombing and certainly next to no chance of survival against a Bf-109. They only had a handful of Halifaxes and even fewer Lancs.
The USAAF thought they could bomb accurately in daylight because of the Norden bombsight, and in the near perfect conditions of the American southwest, I have no doubt they could bomb with a decent measure of precision. However the skies above Europe were often cloudy making accuracy difficult. In fact in 1944 the USAAF was only dropping 7% of its bomb loads within 1000ft of their targets.
Also don't forget that the USAAF gave up long range bombing missions in 1943 after two disastrous raids over Schweinfurt. They didn't go back over Germany until 1944 when the P-51 became available for escort.
US insistence they could operate during the day was part Norden bombsight and part hubris, thinking their "Flying Fortresses" could fend off German fighters by flying in a combat box.
Their unwillingness to give up day missions is probably more a case of Americans never wanting to admit they were wrong about anything, ESPECIALLY when it came to the Brits.
Once the RAF got their Lancs and Halifaxes in useful numbers, they could have easily gone back to day missions. However, since the US decided to maintain their day bombing role, it seemed like a good idea at the time to go with round the clock bombing. The USAAF would go in during the day and pound their target and the RAF would show up at night to make sure life was truly miserable for the Germans.

At the end of it all though, Bomber Command and the USAAF heavies lost about the same number of crews.

I guess I took offense when you suggested Bomber Command was too scared to fly day missions. After all, they not only had to deal with fighters and flak like they did in the day time, they also had to deal with searchlights that would blind the crews if/when they caught a bomber, and they also had to deal with a much, MUCH greater chance of mid-air collision flying in formation, at night, with no navigation lights. On top of THAT, they had no landmarks to navigate by so it was a combination of dead reckoning and star fixes that would get them to their target and home. Yeah, I know they had Gee and Oboe and H2X but they were also unreliable. If that's your idea of what scared people do, then the USAAF must have been some majorly serious pussies. Obviously they weren't but I hope you understand what I meant.

“Seriously guys...”

Since: May 12

Regina

#33086 Apr 5, 2013
cowboy wrote:
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Actually I have read Winston Churchill, Lord Mounbatten, Hitler and Speer, Eisenhower, Montgomery, and anything I can get my hands on for 30 yrs.
I'm actually quite knowledgeable on the subject of WW2 specifically and I welcome any HONEST debate on the subject.
Very cool. I have an entire wall in my study dedicated to books on the subject and have been studying the subject for about 5 years longer. Not that that extra 5 years automatically makes me more knowledgable mind you lol.
I got hooked on the subject when I was 9 from watching the TV series World at War.

“Seriously guys...”

Since: May 12

Regina

#33087 Apr 5, 2013
cowboy wrote:
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Yeah? Then what happened?
6 months later, Nov. 11 1918, Germany surrendered...Go figure.
Yeah, it's kind'a like your buddy and some other guy beating the shit out of each other in a bar fight for 15 minutes while you stand and watch. Then after both are winded and running out of stamina, you walk up, kick the crap out of the dude your buddy is fighting and then take all the credit for winning the fight. Go figure.

“Seriously guys...”

Since: May 12

Regina

#33088 Apr 5, 2013
cowboy wrote:
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You are right, Dieppe was only a raid, IN FORCE, to determine the feasibility of an invasion of the Continent.
Really.
Maybe you should look into the archives at Sandhurst and the Royal War College...I have.
When did you last look? In 2012, 70 years after the raid, more information was declassified. There was never any intent to determine the feasibility of a Continental invasion.
If you have already read "A Man Called Intrepid", it hints at what Dieppe was really about. Sir William Stephenson was the senior representative of British intelligence for the entire western hemisphere during World War II. In the book he states the reason for the raid was to capture a top secret piece of German radar equipment. In reality, according to documents declassified in 2012, the object of the raid was to capture a brand new version of the German naval enigma machine that had 4 wheels for encryption instead of the 3 wheeled model the Brits already had.
One of the men behind the planning of the raid was none other than Sir Ian Fleming.
There were actually 2 aspects to the raid. The first was the land element, which was to try and capture the enigma machine. The second element was an attack on the harbour from the sea, doing as much damage as possible before scuttling a ship to block the entrance.
One of the men in charge and on the scene of this raid was a Victoria Cross recipient, whose name escapes me at the moment but IIRC his call sign was Red Ranger. You don't throw a recipient of the highest medal for valour in the Commonwealth armies into a pointless, useless exercise in futility.

The entire "to determine the feasibility of an invasion of the Continent" line of bull was the "official" version of events.
Remember, Churchill once said, "In times of war the truth is so precious she must always be jealously watched over by a body guard of lies". Sometimes those lies last for decades until things become declassified.
Personally, as a WW2 hobby-historian, I think these next three years will be rather interesting as more and more information becomes declassified.

“For F***'s Sake”

Since: Aug 12

Tanner Flats

#33090 Apr 5, 2013
Horse Manure wrote:
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Is that what y'all use in Nebraska, do ya' Pork Fat?
That's not Porkpie Hat, obtuse one and PC is not from Nebraska either, old deranged fool. <¦-o

“Bright Waters House ”

Since: Jun 07

Manhattan, New York

#33092 Apr 5, 2013
You should really ManScape
Force Majeure wrote:
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Well I'm much flattered that you realize you'd need such a large knife to do the job but you'd need a macheté just to get through the pubic hairs on the way to the actual genitals. As often as you've stopped by for a drink I shouldn't really need to tell you that.

“For F***'s Sake”

Since: Aug 12

Tanner Flats

#33093 Apr 5, 2013
Horse Manure wrote:
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Well I'm much flattered that you realize you'd need such a large knife to do the job but you'd need a macheté just to get through the pubic hairs on the way to the actual genitals. As often as you've stopped by for a drink I shouldn't really need to tell you that.
Don't be, the concept for employing the Bowie knife, wasn't for mitigating large genetalia; rather it was for inflicting as much collateral damage in the process as possible. You'd be left with a real gash, old creep.

“For F***'s Sake”

Since: Aug 12

Tanner Flats

#33094 Apr 5, 2013
Horse Manure wrote:
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As often as you've stopped by for a drink I shouldn't really need to tell you that.
More fantasies from a deranged old pervert. <¦-o

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#33095 Apr 5, 2013
Strength and Honor wrote:
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Excellent post, RS, as usual.
Ditto!

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#33096 Apr 5, 2013
Strength and Honor wrote:
I like to see a man proud of the place in which he lives. I like to see a man live so that his place will be proud of him.~Abraham Lincoln
Nice!

“For F***'s Sake”

Since: Aug 12

Tanner Flats

#33097 Apr 5, 2013
DUNGS wrote:
"evil sheeple"
LOTS OF TOPIX HIRELINGS ARE ON VACATION AND IT'S THE SMART ONE'S HERE NOW.
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Hey DUNGS, how does it feel to know that your time on Earth is coming to an end soon? The American soldiers will be merciful to you and kill you quickly, to save you from your misery, little boot lickers.
<¦-o

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#33098 Apr 5, 2013
Strength and Honor wrote:
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And hats off to you for acknowledging their contribution MLS. I hope you'll like our new thread as we post some more tributes, etc.
Ditto!

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#33099 Apr 5, 2013
Force Majeure wrote:
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Well I'm much flattered that you realize you'd need such a large knife to do the job but you'd need a macheté just to get through the pubic hairs on the way to the actual genitals. As often as you've stopped by for a drink I shouldn't really need to tell you that.
Say what??
courteous europhobe

Bangor, ME

#33100 Apr 5, 2013
american morons wrote:
<quoted text>thats it com on.///// have a look at some of the gettos in america ......fool
i

have, and as far as ghettos
go

usa s' are the best!!

u kno
courteous europhobe

Bangor, ME

#33101 Apr 5, 2013
Chaumette wrote:
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Say what??
excuse him,
phil in

Bangor, ME

#33102 Apr 5, 2013
DENG wrote:
"evil sheeple"
LOTS OF TOPIX HIRELINGS ARE ON VACATION AND IT'S THE SMART ONE'S HERE NOW.
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yaz
phil in

Bangor, ME

#33103 Apr 5, 2013
DENG wrote:
Yahchansatan wrote:
After being away from topix for awhile. I can now see their are evil sheeple and they are righteous People.And you know who you are I don't even have to name names.Yahweh bless...
CAN THE WORLD CALL YOU "GAMMA" YET???
SURRRE, THE STUPID PENTAGON GENERALS WANT TO FIGHT A WAR WITH INFERIOR TECHNOLOGY AND THE OUTCOME IS ALREADY KNOWN AS IT'S IN THE HISTORY OF MODERN WARFARE
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Shiite fighters from neighboring countries are flocking to Damascus to defend their religious sites and defend Bashar al-Assad against advancing Sunni-dominated opposition forces. Many of these foreign guerrillas fight under the umbrella group of Abu al Fadl al-Abbas brigade. They come from Iraq, Lebanon, Iran and Pakistan.
temper tantrum lol

Bangor, ME

#33104 Apr 5, 2013
South Korea and waters around it are turning into places for display of various types of nuclear strike means of the U.S. imperialist aggressor forces and a dangerous hotbed of a nuclear war in the true sense of the word.

The U.S. high-handed hostile policy toward the DPRK aimed to encroach upon its sovereignty and the dignity of its supreme leadership and bring down its social system is being implemented through actual military actions without hesitation.

Days and months have passed on this land amid the constant danger of war but never had the whole Korean Peninsula been exposed to such danger of a nuclear war as today.

Under this situation the towering resentment of the DPRK's army and people has reached an irrepressible phase as they are all out in the all-out action to defend the sovereignty and prevent a nuclear war of the U.S.

In view of the prevailing situation the world people who love justice and value conscience are unanimously becoming critical of the U.S. and its followers for their disgraceful behavior of prodding the UN Security Council into adopting "resolutions on sanctions" against the DPRK and vocal expressing concern over the situation on the peninsula.

The moment of explosion is approaching fast. No one can say a war will break out in Korea or not and whether it will break out today or tomorrow.

http://www.kcna.co.jp/index-e.htm
The responsibility for this grave situation entirely rests with the U.S. Administration and military warmongers keen to encroach upon the DPRK's sovereignty and bring down its dignified social system with brigandish logic.
temper tantrum lol

Bangor, ME

#33105 Apr 5, 2013
DENG wrote:
"evil sheeple"
LOTS OF TOPIX HIRELINGS ARE ON VACATION AND IT'S THE SMART ONE'S HERE NOW.
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Certainly North Korea no longer merits much respect among ordinary Chinese, who have taken to insulting Kim Jong-un as "Fatty Kim" or "Fatty the Third", in reference to his father and grandfather, on the Chinese internet.

“ IT'S A CHOICE !!!”

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#33109 Apr 5, 2013
An NFL Fan wrote:
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Why yes, I have plenty of food, 2 cars, a nice home, and my rock and roll, dullard. The notion that people are starving in the US is a lie, but your masters will not allow you to access the internet, so you'll never know the truth.
What do your masters have to hide? Why are your peasants starving while your dictator is a fat pig?
Soooo true...

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