American Soldiers - Duty, Honor, Country
cowboy

Spanish Fork, UT

#28621 Feb 11, 2013
Krack Head Force Majeure wrote:
<quoted text>
Dates please.
<quoted text>
The Jeeps in Vietnam that I stole (I mean "borrowed") could not be stopped, except by a 155 howitzer shell. So either you're full of shit or you're talking about some sort of specific vehicle used by civilian contractors, etc. attached to MACV.
In any case I don't believe that "AMC" was even put together in the mid-60's. As far as I know the Nash, Rambler (and whatever) went by its' original name. It's true that the Javelin, Marlin and AMX went by the AMC name-tag but I don't think it came out till late 60's ..... No?
Ps. That AMX was a "looker".
AMC started in 1954.
The difference in the Jeeps was the grill, in the '60's/'70's, the NATO spec grill was horizontal, Ford/Willys were vertical as they are currently.

I can't argue about the AMX.....
uIDIOTRACEMAKEPW ORLDPEACE

United States

#28622 Feb 11, 2013
War

(Is not much to say war can be?
But unlike a soldier his heart can see)

If only I knew war and all it flaws
I will be kind enough to make peace
With every little things aside
In the clouds, in the streets and all voids
That no matter what famine and murder does
A role will be play in each part it fades
But it is hard to believe that is a crime
On earth, for whatever cause we stray
From common mistake we face in life
Is a long journey I continue to comprehend?
Evil and good among soldiers
What war make and bring I know not
But who has experience more than a wounded man
Lying down with no arms or legs
War makes wonder, war makes despair
Even the unborn lacks air
When mothers cry river in fear
That her lads are fighting on dead grounds to be free
But for heaven sake, I implore thee
That I live not to be blind, but to see
War dispel like a falling seed
william Dadeah Jr.
uIDIOTRACEMAKEPW ORLDPEACE

United States

#28623 Feb 11, 2013
ADD! Direct Quote from Kissinger to Top Soldier HAIG

Military men are “dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy...' Henry Kissinger, NSA Advisor to Nixon, 1973.
cowboy

Spanish Fork, UT

#28624 Feb 11, 2013
Krack Head Force Majeure wrote:
<quoted text>
Dates please.
<quoted text>
During WW2, 1941-'45, Willys couldn't fulfill the contract...
uIDIOTRACEMAKEPW ORLDPEACE

United States

#28625 Feb 11, 2013
Independents Unbound: "Soldiers Are Just Dumb, Stupid Animals.....

independentsunbound.blogspot.com/.../soldiers... ...

Sep 18, 2007 · "Soldiers Are Just Dumb, Stupid ... On the same day that Governor Sarah Palin used a quote from Henry Kissinger to ... Does suicide among the troops …

"Soldiers Are Just Dumb, Stupid Animals.....
...to be used" as pawns of foreign policy.

At least That's what Henry Kissinger said while he was working for Nixon in that other war, based on lies and false threats. That would be the very same Henry Kissinger who is advising Dick Cheney now and who cannot put foot in several nations around the world because he would be arrested on the spot as a war criminal.

Ain't America great?
Kissinger no friend of soldiers

By Douglas Yates
Published September 17, 2007

On the same day that Gov. Sarah Palin used a quote from Henry Kissinger to buttress efforts to update Alaska’s oil tax, her only son joined the U.S. Army. With the promise of a $20,000 signing bonus in his pocket, Track Palin, an 18-year-old high school graduate and hockey player, will soon report to Fort Benning, Ga., to begin basic training.

Using Kissinger’s take on crisis avoidance in the governor’s call for legislative team work is a curious choice. Especially given Kissinger’s contempt for American soldiers. In a 1973 White House conversation between Kissinger, the national security adviser, and Al Haig, then Nixon’s chief of staff, Kissinger said military men are “dumb, stupid animals to be used” as pawns for foreign policy.

The quote is found in “Final Days,” a book by Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein. Kissinger has never disputed it.

In Nixon’s time, the draft fulfilled recruiting quotas for the Vietnam War. There was no problem pulling young men off the street, giving them 10 weeks training, then shipping them directly to the quagmire. In that threat fabrication, America lost more than 58,000 men and women. Their names are etched on The Wall in Washington, D.C. I wonder if Track Palin has walked its stone corridor.

Many boys Track’s age feel invincible and eager to be tested in a challenge larger than themselves. Brain maturation is still incomplete; they want to be recognized; they want to be heroes. They are impulsive and easily persuaded by recruiting ads featuring images of gung-ho action and adventure. Of course, the $20-grand incentive makes a lie of the all-volunteer Army; these kids have become paid guns for the oil cartel.

If he is anything like the Marines I trained with more than 30 years ago, Track Palin cannot fathom what awaits him. He’s bought into a web of lies foisted on his generation by men with hearts as cold as The Wall’s granite. Bush, Cheney and most of the neocons leading today’s waste and carnage avoided combat in Vietnam and show little regret when other people’s children are maimed and destroyed.

As one of Nixon’s closest advisers, and later as secretary of state, Kissinger ran foreign policy as a personal fiefdom. Bypassing Congress and sometimes Nixon himself, Kissinger used his power to spy on Americans and members of Congress, plotted military coups in Chile and Argentina, supported torture states, threatened to use nuclear weapons and bombed civilian populations in Laos and Cambodia. At the apex of his control over the destiny of millions, the media spun him as a sex symbol, gaining the nickname “French Kissinger.” He is quoted as saying,“Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac.”

An NFL Fan

“Brevity is the soule of wit”

Since: May 09

USA

#28626 Feb 11, 2013
IDIOT wrote:
<quoted text>Yes it is , Kissinger top Soldier Haig! Again, not a somaliam pirate but American Anti-war, human rights ...
Aaron Glantz
Case Crumbles Against Officer Who Refused Iraq
serted since the Iraq war began [in 2003].
You know nothing of the US, ignorant ranting fool. Maybe you should sail your little pirate boat across the Atlantic and see it sometime.
cowboy

Spanish Fork, UT

#28627 Feb 11, 2013
udiotraceMakeworldPeace wrote:
<quoted text>H. kissinger not a soldier but ex-Sec OF State /TLC
Hey chocolate face, Kissinger served in the Army, with the 84th inf. in WW2 in combat...
More proof that you are an uneducated Somali.
uIDIOTRACEMAKEPW ORLDPEACE

United States

#28628 Feb 11, 2013
An NFL Fan wrote:
<quoted text>
You know nothing of the US, ignorant ranting fool. Maybe you should sail your little pirate boat across the Atlantic and see it sometime.
Again Not a pirate, but Anti-war American. Here you go you our US warmongering Baboon .

Yonatan Shapira, Former Captain in the Israeli Air Force and Black Hawk pilot squadron. In 2003 he authored “The Pilots’ Letter,” refusing to participate in attacks in the Occupied Palestinian Territories.
Democracy Now, January 22, 2008
k
If you shoot yourself or you land soldiers that are shooting someone or your friend in the other squadron is dropping bombs on innocents, once you are part of it, once you are part of a society even, once you are part of the world, you have responsibility, especially if you’re part of an air force that is being sent on a daily basis to kill. And most of the people who died there are innocents, just like happened in the last days.
uIDIOTRACEMAKEPW ORLDPEACE

United States

#28629 Feb 11, 2013
cowboy wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey chocolate face, Kissinger served in the Army, with the 84th inf. in WW2 in combat...
More proof that you are an uneducated Somali.
Yes he did in Army but not a Grunt Soldier but as an officer.
uIDIOTRACEMAKEPW ORLDPEACE

United States

#28630 Feb 11, 2013
War's Want

War
Such a mad man
Staring after what he cannot have
A girl with black hair
But on Death's arm she is
War's heart fills with Envy
He wishes Death dead
But how?
War
The second Horseman
He wants what he cannot have
A girl who gives him glances
But ultimately
She is memorized
by the first Horseman Death
Lust..
War wishes he had what death has.
Lovely No One
DENG

Nanjing, China

#28631 Feb 11, 2013
DENG wrote:

WHEN U.S. TROOPS RETIRE THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT THINKS THERE'RE GARBAGE.

IT'S WELL KNOWN THE PENTAGON MAFIA UNDERSTANDS A DEAD U.S. SOLDIER IS LESS COSTLY THAN A WOUNDED U.S. SOLDIER, THEREFORE, FOR ECONOMIC REASONS PREFERS DEAD SOLDIERS INSTEAD OF THE WOUNDED SOLDIERS.
udiotraceMakeworldPeace wrote:
<quoted text>Ditto!
Frederick the Great
"If my soldiers were to begin to think, not one of them would remain in the army.
DENG

Nanjing, China

#28632 Feb 11, 2013
An NFL Fan wrote:
<quoted text>
You know nothing of the US, ignorant ranting fool. Maybe you should sail your little pirate boat across the Atlantic and see it sometime.

NOT EVEN A GOOD WARMNGER AS THIS TAKES AT LEAST A BIT OF INTELLIGENCE.
uIDIOTRACEMAKEPWORLDPEACE wrote:
<quoted text>Again Not a pirate, but Anti-war American. Here you go you our US warmongering Baboon .
Yonatan Shapira, Former Captain in the Israeli Air Force and Black Hawk pilot squadron. In 2003 he authored “The Pilots’ Letter,” refusing to participate in attacks in the Occupied Palestinian Territories.
Democracy Now, January 22, 2008
k
If you shoot yourself or you land soldiers that are shooting someone or your friend in the other squadron is dropping bombs on innocents, once you are part of it, once you are part of a society even, once you are part of the world, you have responsibility, especially if you’re part of an air force that is being sent on a daily basis to kill. And most of the people who died there are innocents, just like happened in the last days.
uIDIOTRACEMAKEPW ORLDPEACE

United States

#28633 Feb 11, 2013
The sentence was reported in "The Final Days", Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein

It was said by Kissinger in front of Alexander Haig, newly appointed White House chief of staff, in Haig new office in 1973

I quote to you the sentences related: as you may notice the quote between brackets is "dumb, stupid animals to be used" that was never denied by Kissinger

Quote:
....
In Haig's presence, Kissinger referred pointedly to "military men as dumb, stupid animals to be used" as pawns for foreign policy. Kissinger often took up a post outside the doorway to Haig's office and dressed him down in front of the secretaries for alleged acts of incompetence with which Haig was not even remotely involved. Once when the Air Force was authorized to resume bombing of North Vietnam, the planes did not fly on certain days because of bad weather. Kissinger assailed Haig. He complained bitterly that the generals had been screamin for the limits to be taken off but that now their pilots were afraid to go up in a little fog. The country needed generals who could win battles, Kissinger said, not good briefers like Haig.
.........
[paragraph]
On another occasion, when Haig was leaving for a trip to Cambodia to meet with Premier Lon Nol, Kissinger escorted him to a staff car, where reporters and a retinue of aides waited. As Haig bent to get into the automobile, Kissinger stopped him and began polishing the single star on his shoulder. "Al, if you're a good boy, I'll get you another one," he said.


Bob Woodward & Carl Bernstein
The Final Days
second Touchstone paperback edition (1994)
Chapter 14, pp. 194-195
uIDIOTRACEMAKEPW ORLDPEACE

United States

#28634 Feb 11, 2013
cowboy wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey chocolate face, Kissinger served in the Army, with the 84th inf. in WW2 in combat...
More proof that you are an uneducated Somali.
Look Not Somalian ! yOU WAR MONGERING AMERICAN BABOON, I'M Anti-war American! the International war crimes tribunal had tried Bushjr & co. for war crime against humanity, sooner or later , you get that treatment also.

An NFL Fan

“Brevity is the soule of wit”

Since: May 09

USA

#28635 Feb 11, 2013
IDIOT wrote:
<quoted text>Yes he did in Army but not a Grunt Soldier but as an officer.
So officers aren't soldiers, ignorant Somali fool? You're not even an American, so why pretend?
uIDIOTRACEMAKEPW ORLDPEACE

United States

#28636 Feb 11, 2013
DENG wrote:
An NFL Fan wrote:
<quoted text>
You know nothing of the US, ignorant ranting fool. Maybe you should sail your little pirate boat across the Atlantic and see it sometime.
NOT EVEN A GOOD WARMNGER AS THIS TAKES AT LEAST A BIT OF INTELLIGENCE.
<quoted text>
Ditto

Frederick the Great "If my soldiers were to begin to think, not one of them would remain.

An NFL Fan

“Brevity is the soule of wit”

Since: May 09

USA

#28637 Feb 11, 2013
DUNG wrote:
I AM NOT EVEN A GOOD WARMNGER AS THIS TAKES AT LEAST A BIT OF INTELLIGENCE.
<quoted text>
Your English is atrocious, servant.
uIDIOTRACEMAKEPW ORLDPEACE

United States

#28638 Feb 11, 2013
This Is What our nation stand for

US iNTERNATIONAL WAR CRIMES & CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY -

UNITED STATES WAR & INTERVENTIONS
MILITARY INTERVENTIONS, COVERT OPERATIONS, COUPS AND ATTEMPTED COUPS, ELECTION INTERFERENCE, REGIME CHANGE, COLOR REVOLUTIONS
Hiroshima and Nagasaki (Japan), Philippines, South Korea, Lebanon, Iran, Guatemala, Cuba, Congo/Zaire, Brazil,
Greece, Poland, Turkey, Dominican Republic, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Indonesia, Chile, Angola, East TImor, Nicaragua,
Grenada, Panama, Kyrgyzstan, Haiti, Yugoslavia, Georgia, Ukraine, Argentina, Ghana, Venezuela, Bolivia, Hondoras,
Paraguay, Mexico, El Salvador, Iraq, Afghanistan, Sudan, Somalia, Pakistan, Yemen, Tunesia, Egypt, Libya, Syria,...

"If Nuremberg were applied, then every post-war American president would have been hanged."
Noam Chomsky

Above is just tip of iceberg of US evils as Christian nation, not include are US wars since the inception of a US militaristic .US imperialistic Empire !
andet1987

Chicago, IL Reply »
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uIDIOTRACEMAKEPW ORLDPEACE

United States

#28639 Feb 11, 2013
Andrew Bacevich a West Point graduate and a Vietnam veteran with twenty-three years of service in the U.S. Army

Nemesis
The Last Days of the American Republic
by Chalmers Johnson, p20

"Americans in our own time have fallen prey to militarism, manifesting itself in a romanticized view of soldiers, a tendency to see military power as the truest measure of national greatness, and outsized expectations regarding the efficacy of force. To a degree without precedent in U.S. history, Americans have come to define the nation's strength and well-being in terms of military preparedness, military action, and the fostering of (or nostalgia for) military ideals.
cowboy

Spanish Fork, UT

#28640 Feb 11, 2013
uIDIOTRACEMAKEPWORLDPEACE wrote:
<quoted text>Yes he did in Army but not a Grunt Soldier but as an officer.
Wrong...
He was a Private....He was put in charge of the town of Krefeld because he spoke German, but was still a grunt, never an officer.

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