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Cisco Kid

Clements, CA

#23 Jun 11, 2013
Protester wrote:
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“Wrong” Conservatives think that’s an intelligent answer.
Still too lazy to do your own research?
Patriot Act was Bush Boy’s, but you NEVER ONCE mentioned that fact, only ‘this administration, Obama…” blah, blah, blah.
Your Pol Pot, etc. comments were really sick.
Bush's Patriot Act was designed and implemented as a monitor of international calls coming into and out of America. A good defensive move against terrorism.

NEVER! I repeat, Never was it intended to be used to spy on innocent calls between Americans inside America like Obama is doing.

This is just part of the tyranny of Obama.

By the way, why do you defend Obama so vociferously?
Are you really an undercover shill for Obama's regime?

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#24 Jun 12, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
Bush's Patriot Act was designed and implemented as a monitor of international calls coming into and out of America. A good defensive move against terrorism.
NEVER! I repeat, Never was it intended to be used to spy on innocent calls between Americans inside America like Obama is doing.
This is just part of the tyranny of Obama.
By the way, why do you defend Obama so vociferously?
Are you really an undercover shill for Obama's regime?
I defend the truth, and the reason you didn’t know that is because you don’t know what truth is.
I do know that you so vigorously defend Republican treason because you need lies to defend all the previous lies, and you’re too lazy to do legitimate research.
OK, all you LAZY, good-for-nothing conservatives, here’s your free TRUTH, as opposed to the lies you get for free from your Fox, etc. political welfare departments:
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#25 Jun 12, 2013
Patriot Act vs. Constitution

US Constitution (Bill of Rights) US Patriot Act

US Constitution (Bill of Rights)
Amendment IV: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
US PATRIOT ACT
FREEDOM FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCHES: THE GOVERNMENT MAY SEARCH AND SEIZE AMERICANS’ PAPERS AND EFFECTS WITHOUT PROBABLE CAUSE TO ASSIST TERROR INVESTIGATION.

Amendment I: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION: TO ASSISTE TERROR INVESTIGATION, THE GOVERNMENT MAY MONITOR RELIGIOUS AND POLITICAL INSTITUTIONS WITHOUT SUSPECTING CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.

Amendment VI: In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.
RIGHT TO A SPEEDY AND PUBLIC TRIAL: THE GOVERNMENT MAY JAIL AMERICANS INDEFINITELY WITHOUT A TRIAL.

Amendment VI:... to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.
RIGHT TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION: THE GOVERNMENT MAY MONITOR CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN ATTORNEYS AND CLIENTS IN FEDERAL PRISONS AND DENY LAWYERS TO AMERICANS ACCUSED OF CRIMES.

Amendment VI:... to be confronted with the witnesses against him ...
RIGHT TO LIBERTY: AMERICANS MAY BE JAILED WITHOUT BEING CHARGED OR BEING ABLE TO CONFRONT WITNESSES AGAINST THEM. US CITIZENS (LABELED “UNLAWFUL COMBATANTS”) HAVE BEEN HELD INCOMMUNICADO AND REFUSED ATTORNEYS.

Amendment I: Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech ...
FREEDOM OF SPEECH: THE GOVERNMENT MAY PROSECUTE LIBRARIANS OR KEEPERS OF ANY OTHER RECORDS IF THEY TELL ANYONE THE GOVERNMENT SUBPOENAED INFORMATION RELATED TO A TERROR INVESTIGATION.
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#26 Jun 12, 2013
Constitutional Source: Cornell Law School
Patriot Act Source: The Associated Press, Knight-Ridder Newspapers
Full Patriot Act Text: US Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services
http://www.scn.org/ccapa/pa-vs-const.html

Every intelligent person knows that the feds will abuse every power they get, so this is just more of their battle to make the U.S. a police state, using ‘terrorism’ as an excuse.
The fact is that, whether 9-11 was done by the traitors in our government directly, or indirectly by creating terrorists in the Mideast, they got the ‘terrorism’ excuse they wanted and their motive was total control of US and the U.S.
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#27 Jun 12, 2013
Key Part of Patriot Act Ruled Unconstitutional
By Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writer
September 30, 2004

A federal judge in New York ruled yesterday that a key component of the USA Patriot Act is unconstitutional because it allows the FBI to demand information from Internet service providers
without judicial oversight or public review.

Marrero, whose court is in the Southern District of New York, ruled that the provision in the Patriot Act allowing such letters "effectively bars or substantially deters any judicial challenge" and violates free-speech rights by imposing permanent silence on targeted companies. Writing that "democracy abhors undue secrecy," Marrero ruled that "an unlimited government warrant to conceal ... has no place in our open society."
"Under the mantle of secrecy, the self-preservation that ordinarily impels our government to censorship and secrecy may potentially be turned on ourselves as a weapon of self-destruction," Marrero wrote. "... At that point, secrecy's protective shield may serve not as much to secure a safe country as simply to save face."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles...

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#28 Jun 12, 2013
Surveillance Under the USA PATRIOT Act
Just six weeks after the September 11 attacks, a panicked Congress passed the "USA/Patriot Act," an overnight revision of the nation's surveillance laws that vastly expanded the government's authority to spy on its own citizens, while simultaneously reducing checks and balances on those powers like judicial oversight, public accountability, and the ability to challenge government searches in court.
Why Congress passed the Patriot Act
Most of the changes to surveillance law made by the Patriot Act were part of a longstanding law enforcement wish list that had been previously rejected by Congress, in some cases repeatedly. Congress reversed course because it was bullied into it by the Bush Administration in the frightening weeks after the September 11 attack.

The Senate version of the Patriot Act, which closely resembled the legislation requested by Attorney General John Ashcroft, was sent straight to the floor with no discussion, debate, or hearings. Many Senators complained that they had little chance to read it, much less analyze it, before having to vote. In the House, hearings were held, and a carefully constructed compromise bill emerged from the Judiciary Committee. But then, with no debate or consultation with rank-and-file members, the House leadership threw out the compromise bill and replaced it with legislation that mirrored the Senate version. Neither discussion nor amendments were permitted, and once again members barely had time to read the thick bill before they were forced to cast an up-or-down vote on it. The Bush Administration implied that members who voted against it would be blamed for any further attacks - a powerful threat at a time when the nation was expecting a second attack to come any moment and when reports of new anthrax letters were appearing daily.
Congress and the Administration acted without any careful or systematic effort to determine whether weaknesses in our surveillance laws had contributed to the attacks, or whether the changes they were making would help prevent further attacks. Indeed, many of the act's provisions have nothing at all to do with terrorism.

(Remember how sanctimonious conservatives bytched for years, claiming that Democrats used these same tactics in getting ObamaCare passed? Conservative MORONS, YOU started this, as usual, just as YOU scumbags started embezzling all that money from Social Security, knowing you’d never pay it back. FREELOADING PARASITES! You‘re lucky T(Treason) Party idiots are too stupid to know any of that ever happened cause they sure love their SS welfare!)
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Cisco Kid

Clements, CA

#29 Jun 12, 2013
I will tell you the story of two men and the hardware store.

The first guy goes to the hardware store and buys a couple of sticks of dynamite from their box.
He goes home and blows out the dangerous tree stump that terrorizes the drivers on that road.
He protects his neighbors from the problem.

The 'other' guy goes to the same store and buys some dynamite from the same box and goes home to blow up his neighbor's house.
He does evil things to his neighbors instead of protecting them.

Same stuff, different users.
The difference is how it's being used, who's hands hold the power.

What is really bothering you is experiencing democrat liberalism in action.
You get what you ask for, boobie.

Don't like it?....Change it.

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#31 Jun 13, 2013
The Real Jimmy Love wrote:
I have allways Heard about crazy Liberals, But After reading All of his post (Just on this Topix)
& he has 10,000 More! This is One Crazy Liberal!
Face the Facts "Protester" You Voted for A Socialist That Does NOT Have the best interest For this country & the People (Americans) in it!
He sticks up for everybody else in the world BUT Americans & the few Country's that Support the US
I am afraid it is to late to turn this country around...It is going By- By!
& If you Haven't heard about ALL Of The Obama Scandals I Say you get off of topix & turn on the TV!
& NOT MSNBC!!!
My self I am Seriously Thinking of Moving To Mexico or South America & Live on the Beach W/ My Wife And kids I have enough to live out my life.
You can stay and let "Homeland Security" Use Those Billions Of Bullets That the Social Security Has Been Buying,..... On YOU!
AGAIN, your stupidity and ignorance are showing. otherwise you‘d know that there‘s nowhere to move to, and that I‘ve criticized NBC and all the mainstream media, Homeland Security, and have given SOLUTIONS which brainless conservatives NEVER do because they don‘t have any. You posted nothing but stupidity and lies, which pretty much sums up your life.
I attacked Obama many times, but it’s the moronic conservatives who never attack their psychotic leaders. Maybe you’re AFRAID of them too, but don’t have the guts to admit it.

Conservatives never have a problem with the greatest treason committed by their leaders, maybe because they are politically blind, deaf and dumb to reality.
What Obama has NOT done is start two wars that send us deeper into debt and resulted in the murders of hundreds of thousands of good people. No problem there!
He did not cause a worldwide recession that continues to murder thousands and destroy families all over the world. Human tragedy = not a problem!
He didn’t make deals to have Americans held hostage, set himself up as one of the biggest DRUG DEALERS in our history, make many speeches and pass laws that make the USA nothing more than a ‘state’ in the one-world government, the New World Order.
He didn’t work with some of the most evil people in America, to play a part in the assassination of one of our greatest leaders.
He didn’t’ work daily to destroy democracy and betray the American people out of loyalty to the party.
This list is very long, but evil, moronic conservatives all say the same thing - NOT A PROBLEM!
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#32 Jun 13, 2013
Republicans are full of Rage
http://www.topix.com/forum/us/politics/TJDHCE...
US Politics

Republicans Can’t compromise
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/TGALIPGDK...
Religion

Republicans: cut the W.A.S.T.E !!!
http://www.topix.com/forum/us/politics/T9PF5F...
US Politics

Republicans destroy us to ‘get’ Obama
http://www.topix.com/forum/us/politics/TTVT6D...
US Politics

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#34 Jun 14, 2013
Surveillance Under the USA PATRIOT Act (cont.)

The Patriot Act increases the government's surveillance powers in four areas

1.Records searches. It expands the government's ability to look at records on an individual's activity being held by third parties.(Section 215)

2.Secret searches. It expands the government's ability to search private property without notice to the owner.(Section 213)

3.Intelligence searches. It expands a narrow exception to the Fourth Amendment that had been created for the collection of foreign intelligence information (Section 218).

4."Trap and trace" searches. It expands another Fourth Amendment exception for spying that collects "addressing" information about the origin and destination of communications, as opposed to the content (Section 214).
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1. Expanded access to personal records held by third parties
One of the most significant provisions of the Patriot Act makes it far easier for the authorities to gain access to records of citizens' activities being held by a third party. At a time when computerization is leading to the creation of more and more such records, Section 215 of the Patriot Act allows the FBI to force anyone at all - including doctors, libraries, bookstores, universities, and Internet service providers - to turn over records on their clients or customers.
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#35 Jun 15, 2013
Unchecked power
The result is unchecked government power to rifle through individuals' financial records, medical histories, Internet usage, bookstore purchases, library usage, travel patterns, or any other activity that leaves a record. Making matters worse:
•The government no longer has to show evidence that the subjects of search orders are an "agent of a foreign power," a requirement that previously protected Americans against abuse of this authority.
•The FBI does not even have to show a reasonable suspicion that the records are related to criminal activity, much less the requirement for "probable cause" that is listed in the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution. All the government needs to do is make the broad assertion that the request is related to an ongoing terrorism or foreign intelligence investigation.
•Judicial oversight of these new powers is essentially non-existent. The government must only certify to a judge - with no need for evidence or proof - that such a search meets the statute's broad criteria, and the judge does not even have the authority to reject the application.
•Surveillance orders can be based in part on a person's First Amendment activities, such as the books they read, the Web sites they visit, or a letter to the editor they have written.
•A person or organization forced to turn over records is prohibited from disclosing the search to anyone. As a result of this gag order, the subjects of surveillance never even find out that their personal records have been examined by the government. That undercuts an important check and balance on this power: the ability of individuals to challenge illegitimate searches.
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