Why do atheists & skeptics continuall...

Since: Apr 07

Honolulu, HI

#21 Aug 24, 2007
Child Of God wrote:
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Yes! The first admendment says congress can't make any laws forbiding the exercise of religion, and that would include schools and politics. Infact! It was the church that started the first schools in America.
Yet! Democrats seem to dance or jump to the tune of the A.C.L.U., which is an organization founded by Roger Baldwin, who was a known communist, who made frequent trips to Russia, and had a childhood grudge against the church.(The A.C.L.U. honors Roger Baldwin.)
Now! We live in a society heavily influenced by the political agenda of the A.C.L.U.,with most democrats in congress supporting the agenda of the A.C.L.U.
As the A.C.L.U. has strived the last 50 years to change America into an atheist country with values compatable with the Old Soviet Union.
I'm not saying they have completely succeeded. I'm saying that's their agenda. We use to hold our hands over our hearts in school, while saying one nation under God. That was when I was a child in school, but now because of the A.C.L.U., all that has changed for kids toay.
First Admendment: Congress shall make no law forbiding the free exercise of religion. That right never stops at the school doors.(It's just denied!)
I'm sorry but I don't see anyone telling you that you can't practice your religion in schools. What they're telling you is that you can't make everyone else do it with you. Can you see the difference?

“thelordsplace.us”

Since: Dec 06

St. Paul, MN

#22 Aug 24, 2007
GoodNight everyone! My wife says it's time for bed. I write some more tomorrow.
Skeptical 1

United States

#23 Aug 24, 2007
Child Of God wrote:
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You were pleading a case of what a skeptic might have against Christian doctrine, but that still doesn't answer the question why they make a career on these threds bashing Christians.
I mean like spending 12 hours a day bashing something they don't want any part of, as if their minds are possessed with the idea of bashing Christians.(Like they love doing it), or they're addicted to the idea.
I'm a Christian, and I don't like bars, so I avoid and stay away from bars. I don't spend 12 hours a day bashing drunks.(I just avoind them as much as possible.)
My question wasn't: What do you have against Christianity? My question was more like: Why do most atheists waste most of their life messing with Christianbity, if they indeed despise it so much.
They seem like vultures picking at what seems to be a dead horse to them, so why would they even entertain the subject, if they hate it so much?
Because Christians spend most of their time bashing anyone whose beliefs are different from theirs. All you have to do is read the majority of threads on this forum to see that. When others with different beliefs express their beliefs, it is the Christians who "seem like vultures picking at what seems to be a dead horse", as you put it. Why don't the Christians "ignore" the posts they disagree with, eh?!

“kein Mitleid fur die Mehrheit”

Since: Dec 06

Allen Park, Michigan

#24 Aug 24, 2007
Child Of God wrote:
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If that's true, then why waste your time asking Christians the questions?
I have to really know what questions you are referring to, before I could answer your question here, because you weren't very precise, you just made a blanket statement covering all Christians, which I'm sure isn't 100% true.
The statement didn't cover all Christians, I said the predominant thinking of most.

I was referring to 3 questions I asked in another forum. The book of Matthew was penned anonymously but the church attributes it to Matthew. Matthew was written 27 years after the death of Jesus. There are 1100 or so lines in Matthew, of those, only 380 or so are unique to Matthew, the rest are shared with Mark, Luke or both. I have been looking for an answer to those disparities.

Also, I replied to you with proof of evolution, but did not receive an answer.

“kein Mitleid fur die Mehrheit”

Since: Dec 06

Allen Park, Michigan

#25 Aug 24, 2007
Child Of God wrote:
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If that's true, then why waste your time asking Christians the questions?
I have to really know what questions you are referring to, before I could answer your question here, because you weren't very precise, you just made a blanket statement covering all Christians, which I'm sure isn't 100% true.
Why do I ask? I want to know. Unlike many, if I should be proven to be wrong, I can accept that and change. I am not finding that to be true of most Christians. When I question or present evidence to the contrary of popular Christian belief, I find that most won't even consider that there may be other explanations.

“thelordsplace.us”

Since: Dec 06

St. Paul, MN

#26 Aug 24, 2007
Writing in Paradise wrote:
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No, the title clearly says atheists and skeptics. Check your own comprehension problem.
Are you here to answer the question I started this thread with, or are you just here to have a name calling contest which you started?

“thelordsplace.us”

Since: Dec 06

St. Paul, MN

#27 Aug 24, 2007
Writing in Paradise wrote:
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I'm sorry but I don't see anyone telling you that you can't practice your religion in schools. What they're telling you is that you can't make everyone else do it with you. Can you see the difference?
What country are you living in? You can't even mention Jesus Christ or God in public schools. One teacher almost lost his jobmbecause he kept his Bible in his personal drawer, that he nonly read on his breaks, and never read it to any students.

Another school girl was expelled from school, because she read her Bible to herself on the school bus.

Another student wad expelled from school, because he wore a shirt with a cross on it. The school s aid it might offend someone, yet other students wore shorts with satanic symbols on them, and the school didn't have any problem with those, and didn't care who they offended.

A first grade teacher had her students right a report on their favorite hero. One little first grade boy chose Jesus as his hero, and then turned in his report about Jesus being his hero.

The teacher rejected his report, and said it wasn't appropriate. Do you still ant to say you don't see Christian rights being denied in schools?

These are just a few examples of what's taking place all over America, and then you wonder why Christians are getting polically activated.

Because we're tired of our rights being trampled on, and being treated like second class citizens, as if we don't have rights to express our political opinions.(Which seems to be some of your beefs against Christians.)

Would you like some more examples? Because I could right you a book, about Christian rights being denied and trampled on.

Since: Apr 07

Honolulu, HI

#28 Aug 24, 2007
Child Of God wrote:
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Are you here to answer the question I started this thread with, or are you just here to have a name calling contest which you started?
You don't think I answered it in my first post?

“thelordsplace.us”

Since: Dec 06

St. Paul, MN

#29 Aug 24, 2007
Skeptical 1 wrote:
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Because Christians spend most of their time bashing anyone whose beliefs are different from theirs. All you have to do is read the majority of threads on this forum to see that. When others with different beliefs express their beliefs, it is the Christians who "seem like vultures picking at what seems to be a dead horse", as you put it. Why don't the Christians "ignore" the posts they disagree with, eh?!
I actually had to spend most of my time responding to Christian bashers on these threads, and that is why I started this thread.

I one was just one Christian defending against the attacks of about 12 differerent skeptics at once. Just read the thread titled: What do you think of Jesus Christ(God) But read it from the beginnig, as you see the skeptics coming at me.

I also was called about 50 different names on gay/lebians threads, but only because of my user name.(Child Of God)

So I Challenged their name calling, and they called me even worse names, so I left those threads with a real bad opinion of gays/lesbians, which they installed in me with their name calling, which I didn't have before going on those threads.

I even posted an article on one gay/lesbian thread written by a Pastor friend of mine, who was actually speaking against violence against gays'lesbians, which I agreed with.(But they ba sahed me for that too.)

I tried my best to compliment one lesbian woman on one thread, but she too bashed me, just because I was Christian.

So I have been on these threads, and us Christians are being bashed, no matter what we say, good or bad about anyone.

“thelordsplace.us”

Since: Dec 06

St. Paul, MN

#30 Aug 24, 2007
Writing in Paradise wrote:
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You don't think I answered it in my first post?
I apologize for my comment to you, because I confused you with someome else in my remark. I'm glad you posted this, so I could correct and clerify that.

Since: Jul 07

Lake Forest, CA

#31 Aug 24, 2007
Child Of God wrote:
I have posted on several threads on the Topix forum, and I noticed that there are atheists and skeptics who seem to make a career out of bashing Christians, as they move from thread to thread seeking out any Christian they might devour.
Why not just ignore Christianity if they believe so many negative things about Christianity? I have seen various Christians ask these skeptics why they spend so much time speaking about Christianity, rather than just ignore something they don't believe exist.
I haven't seen many respond to that question, so I thought I would start this thread, to see if they will answer it here.
Another thing: Some of these atheists seem to be mostly against Christianity, yet will defend other religions. Why is that?
It would seem like they would be against all religions that believe in a supernatural being of any kind, but some only want to bash Christianity, while actually defending other religions.
I'd like to think it was political. But if it was political they wouldn't be attacking scripture. They'd be posting about whatever political issue they are upset about.

But since they attack us on every single thread they see anything about Christianity mentioned... I'm inclined to believe they are religious bigots.

They think their religion is right and ours is wrong and they are on a crusade to prove it.

“thelordsplace.us”

Since: Dec 06

St. Paul, MN

#32 Aug 24, 2007
dukdodgers wrote:
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The statement didn't cover all Christians, I said the predominant thinking of most.
I was referring to 3 questions I asked in another forum. The book of Matthew was penned anonymously but the church attributes it to Matthew. Matthew was written 27 years after the death of Jesus. There are 1100 or so lines in Matthew, of those, only 380 or so are unique to Matthew, the rest are shared with Mark, Luke or both. I have been looking for an answer to those disparities.
Also, I replied to you with proof of evolution, but did not receive an answer.
The reason they didn't respond to you is because they didn't believe you, or they didn't believe you spoke with facts.

There's a lot of people on these threads speaking things they have read, as if what they have read is factual, just because they read it somewhere.

Also! If what you stated seems to be factual to you, then it might require a learned or educated Christian to respond or debate it.

It's easy for a well educated person to introduce some theories or concepts to a lesser educated person, then gloat when uneducated can't answer.

Have you tried presenting your information about Matthew to an educated Bibical theologian or Scholar, who perhaps could respond, or do you present your case to Christians, who don't know how to respond?

About Evolution: You could state what you perceive to be fact after fact about evolution, and I wouldn't believe one word of it, because evolution is impossible from any scientific point of view in my opinion.

Bottom Line: I don't think they responded, because they didn't believe it, and just brushed it off. But I don't brush off evolution.(I laugh at it.)Because I believe it's an ignorant thought or theory at best, a nd quite hularious.

“thelordsplace.us”

Since: Dec 06

St. Paul, MN

#33 Aug 24, 2007
Now I really have to go to bed. My wife is getting real serious about it. Good Night All!

“thelordsplace.us”

Since: Dec 06

St. Paul, MN

#34 Aug 24, 2007
Patricia Zimu wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not an atheist, and never want to offend anyone and what they believe. However, I did grow up in a Christian church and as I grew up I noticed a lot of things that I didn't like about the Christian faith. Like how so many so called Christians are so ready to judge others for their wrongs when it is their faith that says that you should forgive. Right? Or, how you should only wear certain things and do things only their way. Sort of reminded me of an occult. Half of the time they don’t' even follow the things that they are preaching. And also how can I follow a religion that didn't even come about until after your Jesus was dead? He was a Hebrew so why aren't you and everyone else in the world? And if He was Hebrew how did he come to have a Latin name?
The whole Easter thing is even worse, with the eggs and rabbits. Why don't Christians admit that this holiday is about pagan goddesses and fertility, and has nothing to do with the rising of their Savior. And if time was measured from day to night equaling 1 day there is no way He could have died on Friday (another pagan thing is the days of the week as well as the months)and rose on Sunday. Don't get me wrong I am a believer of the true creator Yahweh; yeah that's his true name that was erased from the bible. And I believe in His Son Yashua, my personal Savior. But I just can't follow all these discrepancies anymore. There are so many more,and it's late. I'll get back to you in the am's
I will respond to this post tomorrow. I didn't want anyone to think I was ignoring it. Off to bed now!

Since: Apr 07

Honolulu, HI

#35 Aug 24, 2007
Child Of God wrote:
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What country are you living in? You can't even mention Jesus Christ or God in public schools.
That isn't true.
Child Of God wrote:
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One teacher almost lost his jobmbecause he kept his Bible in his personal drawer, that he nonly read on his breaks, and never read it to any students.
Got a link as proof?
Child Of God wrote:
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Another school girl was expelled from school, because she read her Bible to herself on the school bus.
Got a link as proof?
Child Of God wrote:
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Another student wad expelled from school, because he wore a shirt with a cross on it. The school s aid it might offend someone, yet other students wore shorts with satanic symbols on them, and the school didn't have any problem with those, and didn't care who they offended.
Got a link as proof?
Child Of God wrote:
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A first grade teacher had her students right a report on their favorite hero. One little first grade boy chose Jesus as his hero, and then turned in his report about Jesus being his hero.
The teacher rejected his report, and said it wasn't appropriate.
Got a link as proof?
Child Of God wrote:
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Do you still ant to say you don't see Christian rights being denied in schools?
They sound like urban legends to me, so I'll refrain from commenting until you show me evidence.
Child Of God wrote:
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Would you like some more examples? Because I could right you a book, about Christian rights being denied and trampled on.
Prove the ones you already listed first.

Since: Apr 07

Honolulu, HI

#36 Aug 24, 2007
Child Of God wrote:
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Bottom Line: I don't think they responded, because they didn't believe it, and just brushed it off. But I don't brush off evolution.(I laugh at it.)Because I believe it's an ignorant thought or theory at best, a nd quite hularious.
I'd bet the farm you know next to nothing about it. You probably believe evolution says people came from monkeys or something equally uneducated.

“Play while you have hands”

Since: Feb 07

Linköping, Sweden

#37 Aug 24, 2007
If you believe in god that's ok, I will not critisize you for it, but what is this???

http://travel.nytimes.com/2007/05/24/arts/24c...

I think it is quite horrible to spread misinformation in this way and especially to children. We live in the 21st century with all that science has to offer and children should not be misled with things this kind of bs.

“Play while you have hands”

Since: Feb 07

Linköping, Sweden

#38 Aug 24, 2007
last part should read; children should not be misled with this kind of bs.

“kein Mitleid fur die Mehrheit”

Since: Dec 06

Allen Park, Michigan

#39 Aug 24, 2007
Child Of God wrote:
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The reason they didn't respond to you is because they didn't believe you, or they didn't believe you spoke with facts.
There's a lot of people on these threads speaking things they have read, as if what they have read is factual, just because they read it somewhere.
Also! If what you stated seems to be factual to you, then it might require a learned or educated Christian to respond or debate it.
It's easy for a well educated person to introduce some theories or concepts to a lesser educated person, then gloat when uneducated can't answer.
Have you tried presenting your information about Matthew to an educated Bibical theologian or Scholar, who perhaps could respond, or do you present your case to Christians, who don't know how to respond?
About Evolution: You could state what you perceive to be fact after fact about evolution, and I wouldn't believe one word of it, because evolution is impossible from any scientific point of view in my opinion.
Bottom Line: I don't think they responded, because they didn't believe it, and just brushed it off. But I don't brush off evolution.(I laugh at it.)Because I believe it's an ignorant thought or theory at best, a nd quite hularious.
The problem here is that maybe (I may be wrong) you don't understand evolution fully. Evolution does not necessarily remove God. Species do evolve. Our genus has at least 11 other members, we are the latest evolution of the species. There isn't room for opinion is science either, it is either proven or not. I don't know why you won't consider the facts.

Your reply is what I run into a lot of though. You mock evolution without considering the facts. You don't even begin to think about the scope of evolution and that there is still room for a divine presence in it.

Also, simply not liking my answer or not believing it is a petty reason to not respond. I try to follow up my argument with known facts. Simply not liking the facts is no reason to not respond.

Either way, I am looking for an exchange of knowledge and ideas. I usually get end of statement points and the unwillingness to even consider alternate ideas.

Searching out biblical scholars, well, I don't really have the time. I am at work when I post these. When I get home, I like to spend that time with my family as I don't see them much while they are awake. The answers will come one day, no rush.

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#40 Aug 24, 2007
CoG you have never gotten the point because you lack the "listen" gene.

For most skeptics and non's, it's got little to do with Xtianity. That's just another of those quaint little beliefs that folks like to gather and discuss the world over, and bless their pointy little heads if they want to.

It has everything to do with - are you listenin' here - everything to do with the abhorrent and obnoxious way people act because they feel they have some exclusive dispensation of "truth." It doesn't matter if it's a Muslim or Xtian, if they feel that this belief in an invisible benefactor sets them apart and above non-believers, AND feel they are compelled to say so -- THOSE people are found distasteful for those that have to endure them. It ain't the religion - it's the religionists. We'd be content to let you push your pins in whatever doll you like if ya kept it to yourself, but ya'll can't, can ya? You and Muslims both - Ya feel yer books say you must tell everyone else how lost and depraved they are, and how white and pure you are. At various times thru history, both ya'll will kill rather than let someone languish in the darkness of unbelief.

You have one valid point - many religions are not criticized. Take a look at the evangelizing efforts of those not criticized - you might find a clue there.

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