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I have posted on several threads on the Topix forum, and I noticed that there are atheists and skeptics who seem to make a career out of bashing Christians, as they move from thread to thread seeking out any Christian they might devour.

Why not just ignore Christianity if they believe so many negative things about Christianity? I have seen various Christians ask these skeptics why they spend so much time speaking about Christianity, rather than just ignore something they don't believe exist.

I haven't seen many respond to that question, so I thought I would start this thread, to see if they will answer it here.

Another thing: Some of these atheists seem to be mostly against Christianity, yet will defend other religions. Why is that?

It would seem like they would be against all religions that believe in a supernatural being of any kind, but some only want to bash Christianity, while actually defending other religions.

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Because christians want to force the rest of us to live by their rules and their bible. They want to force us to adopt creationism instead of the truth. They try to make abortion illegal. They try to make divorce illegal. They keep gay marriage illegal. They work to prevent stem cell research that could provide endless cures. They work to prevent human cloning. They work to force women out of the workplace and back into the kitchen. They condone genocide in third world countries. They work to make contraceptives illegal. They work to turn the country into a theocracy.

They follow a religion that discourages education. They follow a religion that discourages critical thinking, and questioning authority. They follow a religion that indoctrinates young children into hateful thinking and ideologies.

Thus, you've painted yourselves as the enemies of the rest of us. The great thing is that the rest of us are winning this fight. Every year we remove more and more of your superstitious nonsense from our schools, our government and our lives.

That about answer your question?
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You seem to believe that anyone who doesn't believe in your fairytale bible is an atheist. There are other religions besides your own. You demonstrate your own lack of educaction.
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Bloody Visigoths wrote:
You seem to believe that anyone who doesn't believe in your fairytale bible is an atheist. There are other religions besides your own. You demonstrate your own lack of educaction.
My Karma ran over your Dogma.
This thread was directed to atheists, and it wasn't directed at other religions, so perhaps you have a reading or comprehension problem.
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well because it's human nature to rise to the challenge .
You started the thread then weaved it now don't get upset when the athiest show up to defend themselves.
As to the why they are against Christianity .. God may be the creator but when you add the Jesus story it gets iffy. Too many contradictions , too many !Do you take it litarally , take as a parable , most ppl like to understand what they read not take someone elses word for the interpatation.
Then there is all the hate from the Creator . If you don't follow I'll smite you . If you love me they will smite you . If you do not obey I will smite you. If you witness they will smite you. Hell fire and brimstone aren't the most enticing comps. Terrorism and Christianity are similiar .When someone says they believe I wonder Who told them about it and when ? Since childhood . Since they were unable to understand what they were learning. Hope that helped.

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Writing in Paradise wrote:
Because christians want to force the rest of us to live by their rules and their bible. They want to force us to adopt creationism instead of the truth. They try to make abortion illegal. They try to make divorce illegal. They keep gay marriage illegal. They work to prevent stem cell research that could provide endless cures. They work to prevent human cloning. They work to force women out of the workplace and back into the kitchen. They condone genocide in third world countries. They work to make contraceptives illegal. They work to turn the country into a theocracy.
They follow a religion that discourages education. They follow a religion that discourages critical thinking, and questioning authority. They follow a religion that indoctrinates young children into hateful thinking and ideologies.
Thus, you've painted yourselves as the enemies of the rest of us. The great thing is that the rest of us are winning this fight. Every year we remove more and more of your superstitious nonsense from our schools, our government and our lives.
That about answer your question?
I don't see Christians forcing anyone to do anything, but I do see a lot of humanistic atheists trying to censor Christians, and forbiding Christians their first admendment rights.

So you seem to have things in reverse! It's actually an atheistic humanistic society trying to force their views on Christians in public arenas such as schools and politics.

Christians are just fighting to hold on to the their basic rights, which the first admendment granted them, yet those rights are being denied by atheist humanists.

So what you are really seeing is a Christian reaction to an atheistic humanistic dominated society, which seems to be out to bash Christianity, while denying Christians their constitutional rights.

Lets's see! Talk about anything but Christianity! Anything is appropriate except Christianity, uless you're going to bash Christianity, then it's O.K. to talk about Christianity then. That's the society we live in these days.

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Writing in Paradise wrote:
Because christians want to force the rest of us to live by their rules and their bible. They want to force us to adopt creationism instead of the truth. They try to make abortion illegal. They try to make divorce illegal. They keep gay marriage illegal. They work to prevent stem cell research that could provide endless cures. They work to prevent human cloning. They work to force women out of the workplace and back into the kitchen. They condone genocide in third world countries. They work to make contraceptives illegal. They work to turn the country into a theocracy.
They follow a religion that discourages education. They follow a religion that discourages critical thinking, and questioning authority. They follow a religion that indoctrinates young children into hateful thinking and ideologies.
Thus, you've painted yourselves as the enemies of the rest of us. The great thing is that the rest of us are winning this fight. Every year we remove more and more of your superstitious nonsense from our schools, our government and our lives.
That about answer your question?
No. That is just mindless and baseless spewings from an ignoramus. Not to mention blanket condemnation. Nor, do you realize that the WHOLE FUNDAMENTAL BASIS OF OUR INTENDED SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT IS:

""...The first question is answered at once by recurring to the absolute necessity of the case; to the great principle of self-preservation; to the TRANSCENDENT law of nature and of nature's God, which declares that the safety and happiness of society are the objects at which all political institutions aim, and to which all such institutions must be sacrificed. Perhaps, also, an answer may be found without searching beyond the principles of the compact itself...."

- James Madison, The Federalist No. 43, Jan. 23, 1788.
http://gunshowonthenet.com/FederalistPapers/F...

"We've staked the whole future of American civilization not on the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all our political institutions upon the capacity of each and all of us ... to Govern ourselves according to the commandments of God. The future and success of America is not in this Constitution, but in the laws of God upon which this Constitution is founded."

"The future and success of America is not in this Constitution, but in the laws of God upon which this Constitution is founded. We've staked the whole future of American civilization not on the power of government — far from it. We have staked the future of all our political institutions upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves according to the commandments of God."

"Before any man can be considered as a member of civil society, he must be considered as a subject of the Governor of the Universe. And to the same Divine Author of every good and perfect gift [James 1:17] we are indebted for all those privileges and advantages, religious as well as civil, which are so richly enjoyed in this favored land."

- James Madison

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I fall more into the skeptic line.

How come when I present facts to the contrary of the predominant thinking of most Christians they only answer in questions or redirections? Why do some not answer at all?

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Child Of God wrote:
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This thread was directed to atheists, and it wasn't directed at other religions, so perhaps you have a reading or comprehension problem.
No, the title clearly says atheists and skeptics. Check your own comprehension problem.

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OMG wrote:
well because it's human nature to rise to the challenge .
You started the thread then weaved it now don't get upset when the athiest show up to defend themselves.
As to the why they are against Christianity .. God may be the creator but when you add the Jesus story it gets iffy. Too many contradictions , too many !Do you take it litarally , take as a parable , most ppl like to understand what they read not take someone elses word for the interpatation.
Then there is all the hate from the Creator . If you don't follow I'll smite you . If you love me they will smite you . If you do not obey I will smite you. If you witness they will smite you. Hell fire and brimstone aren't the most enticing comps. Terrorism and Christianity are similiar .When someone says they believe I wonder Who told them about it and when ? Since childhood . Since they were unable to understand what they were learning. Hope that helped.
You were pleading a case of what a skeptic might have against Christian doctrine, but that still doesn't answer the question why they make a career on these threds bashing Christians.

I mean like spending 12 hours a day bashing something they don't want any part of, as if their minds are possessed with the idea of bashing Christians.(Like they love doing it), or they're addicted to the idea.

I'm a Christian, and I don't like bars, so I avoid and stay away from bars. I don't spend 12 hours a day bashing drunks.(I just avoind them as much as possible.)

My question wasn't: What do you have against Christianity? My question was more like: Why do most atheists waste most of their life messing with Christianbity, if they indeed despise it so much.

They seem like vultures picking at what seems to be a dead horse to them, so why would they even entertain the subject, if they hate it so much?

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GunShowOnTheNet wrote:
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No. That is just mindless and baseless spewings from an ignoramus. Not to mention blanket condemnation. Nor, do you realize that the WHOLE FUNDAMENTAL BASIS OF OUR INTENDED SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT IS:
""...The first question is answered at once by recurring to the absolute necessity of the case; to the great principle of self-preservation; to the TRANSCENDENT law of nature and of nature's God, which declares that the safety and happiness of society are the objects at which all political institutions aim, and to which all such institutions must be sacrificed. Perhaps, also, an answer may be found without searching beyond the principles of the compact itself...."
- James Madison, The Federalist No. 43, Jan. 23, 1788.
http://gunshowonthenet.com/FederalistPapers/F...
"We've staked the whole future of American civilization not on the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all our political institutions upon the capacity of each and all of us ... to Govern ourselves according to the commandments of God. The future and success of America is not in this Constitution, but in the laws of God upon which this Constitution is founded."
"The future and success of America is not in this Constitution, but in the laws of God upon which this Constitution is founded. We've staked the whole future of American civilization not on the power of government — far from it. We have staked the future of all our political institutions upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves according to the commandments of God."
"Before any man can be considered as a member of civil society, he must be considered as a subject of the Governor of the Universe. And to the same Divine Author of every good and perfect gift [James 1:17] we are indebted for all those privileges and advantages, religious as well as civil, which are so richly enjoyed in this favored land."
- James Madison
Don't like it you whining little punk? Get out!
So you're trying to prove me wrong that you want a theocracy by... showing me you want a theocracy?

Has religion damaged your mind?

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Don't like it you whining little punk? Get out!
Why would I do that? We're WINNING. Your religion and its influence are dying.

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I don't see Christians forcing anyone to do anything, but I do see a lot of humanistic atheists trying to censor Christians, and forbiding Christians their first admendment rights.
So you seem to have things in reverse! It's actually an atheistic humanistic society trying to force their views on Christians in public arenas such as schools and politics.
Christians are just fighting to hold on to the their basic rights, which the first admendment granted them, yet those rights are being denied by atheist humanists.
So what you are really seeing is a Christian reaction to an atheistic humanistic dominated society, which seems to be out to bash Christianity, while denying Christians their constitutional rights.
Lets's see! Talk about anything but Christianity! Anything is appropriate except Christianity, uless you're going to bash Christianity, then it's O.K. to talk about Christianity then. That's the society we live in these days.
I don't see anyone denying you your constitutional rights. Can you point out examples?

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I fall more into the skeptic line.
How come when I present facts to the contrary of the predominant thinking of most Christians they only answer in questions or redirections? Why do some not answer at all?
If that's true, then why waste your time asking Christians the questions?

I have to really know what questions you are referring to, before I could answer your question here, because you weren't very precise, you just made a blanket statement covering all Christians, which I'm sure isn't 100% true.

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So you're trying to prove me wrong that you want a theocracy by... showing me you want a theocracy?
Has religion damaged your mind?
Pretty hard to escape "the TRANSCENDENT law of nature and of Nature's God", isn't it? It was the WHOLE REASON GIVEN FOR DECLARING INDEPENDENCE. As well as the reason given for forming the Constitution. And:

“The law of nature is IMMUTABLE; not by the effect of an arbitrary disposition, but because it has its foundation in the nature, constitution, and mutual relations of men and things. While these continue to be the same, it must continue to be the same also. This immutability of nature's laws has nothing in it repugnant to the supreme power of an all-perfect Being. Since he himself is the author of our constitution; he cannot but command or forbid such things as are necessarily agreeable or disagreeable to this very constitution. He is under the glorious necessity of not contradicting himself. This necessity, far from limiting or diminishing his perfections, adds to their external character, and points out their excellency.

“The law of nature is universal. For it is true, not only that all men are equally subject to the command of their Maker; but it is true also, that the law of nature, having its foundation in the constitution and state of man, has an essential fitness for all mankind, and binds them without distinction.

“This law, or right reason, as Cicero calls it, is thus beautifully described by that eloquent philosopher. "It is, indeed," says he, "a true law, conformable to nature, diffused among all men, unchangeable, eternal. By its commands, it calls men to their duty: by its prohibitions, it deters them from vice. To diminish, to alter, much more to abolish this law, is a vain attempt. Neither by the senate, nor by the people, can its powerful obligation be dissolved. It requires no interpreter or commentator. It is not one law at Rome, another at Athens; one law now, another hereafter: it is the same eternal and immutable law, given at all times and to all nations: for God, who is its author and promulgator, is always the sole master and sovereign of mankind."

- James Wilson,[The Works of the Honourable James Wilson, L.L.D.; Chap. III Of the Law of Nature]. Mr. Wilson signed the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution. In addition he was a delegate to the Constitutional Convention and a U.S. Supreme Court Justice.
http://gunshowonthenet.com/BOOKS/TheWorksWils...

You do know what "IMMUTABLE" means, right?

“Shall NOT be infringed.”

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Why would I do that? We're WINNING. Your religion and its influence are dying.
Not quite punk. You have been shown the polls before, and you KNOW that what you claim is false. EIGHTY-FIVE TO NINETY PERCENT OF AMERICANS BELIEVE IN GOD. You can hardly call that "winning".

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Child Of God wrote:
I have posted on several threads on the Topix forum, and I noticed that there are atheists and skeptics who seem to make a career out of bashing Christians, as they move from thread to thread seeking out any Christian they might devour.
Why not just ignore Christianity if they believe so many negative things about Christianity? I have seen various Christians ask these skeptics why they spend so much time speaking about Christianity, rather than just ignore something they don't believe exist.
I haven't seen many respond to that question, so I thought I would start this thread, to see if they will answer it here.
Another thing: Some of these atheists seem to be mostly against Christianity, yet will defend other religions. Why is that?
It would seem like they would be against all religions that believe in a supernatural being of any kind, but some only want to bash Christianity, while actually defending other religions.
I'm not an atheist, and never want to offend anyone and what they believe. However, I did grow up in a Christian church and as I grew up I noticed a lot of things that I didn't like about the Christian faith. Like how so many so called Christians are so ready to judge others for their wrongs when it is their faith that says that you should forgive. Right? Or, how you should only wear certain things and do things only their way. Sort of reminded me of an occult. Half of the time they don’t' even follow the things that they are preaching. And also how can I follow a religion that didn't even come about until after your Jesus was dead? He was a Hebrew so why aren't you and everyone else in the world? And if He was Hebrew how did he come to have a Latin name?
The whole Easter thing is even worse, with the eggs and rabbits. Why don't Christians admit that this holiday is about pagan goddesses and fertility, and has nothing to do with the rising of their Savior. And if time was measured from day to night equaling 1 day there is no way He could have died on Friday (another pagan thing is the days of the week as well as the months)and rose on Sunday. Don't get me wrong I am a believer of the true creator Yahweh; yeah that's his true name that was erased from the bible. And I believe in His Son Yashua, my personal Savior. But I just can't follow all these discrepancies anymore. There are so many more,and it's late. I'll get back to you in the am's

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Writing in Paradise wrote:
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I don't see anyone denying you your constitutional rights. Can you point out examples?
Yes! The first admendment says congress can't make any laws forbiding the exercise of religion, and that would include schools and politics. Infact! It was the church that started the first schools in America.

Yet! Democrats seem to dance or jump to the tune of the A.C.L.U., which is an organization founded by Roger Baldwin, who was a known communist, who made frequent trips to Russia, and had a childhood grudge against the church.(The A.C.L.U. honors Roger Baldwin.)

Now! We live in a society heavily influenced by the political agenda of the A.C.L.U.,with most democrats in congress supporting the agenda of the A.C.L.U.

As the A.C.L.U. has strived the last 50 years to change America into an atheist country with values compatable with the Old Soviet Union.

I'm not saying they have completely succeeded. I'm saying that's their agenda. We use to hold our hands over our hearts in school, while saying one nation under God. That was when I was a child in school, but now because of the A.C.L.U., all that has changed for kids toay.

First Admendment: Congress shall make no law forbiding the free exercise of religion. That right never stops at the school doors.(It's just denied!)

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Pretty hard to escape "the TRANSCENDENT law of nature and of Nature's God", isn't it? It was the WHOLE REASON GIVEN FOR DECLARING INDEPENDENCE. As well as the reason given for forming the Constitution. And:
“The law of nature is IMMUTABLE; not by the effect of an arbitrary disposition, but because it has its foundation in the nature, constitution, and mutual relations of men and things. While these continue to be the same, it must continue to be the same also. This immutability of nature's laws has nothing in it repugnant to the supreme power of an all-perfect Being. Since he himself is the author of our constitution; he cannot but command or forbid such things as are necessarily agreeable or disagreeable to this very constitution. He is under the glorious necessity of not contradicting himself. This necessity, far from limiting or diminishing his perfections, adds to their external character, and points out their excellency.
“The law of nature is universal. For it is true, not only that all men are equally subject to the command of their Maker; but it is true also, that the law of nature, having its foundation in the constitution and state of man, has an essential fitness for all mankind, and binds them without distinction.
“This law, or right reason, as Cicero calls it, is thus beautifully described by that eloquent philosopher. "It is, indeed," says he, "a true law, conformable to nature, diffused among all men, unchangeable, eternal. By its commands, it calls men to their duty: by its prohibitions, it deters them from vice. To diminish, to alter, much more to abolish this law, is a vain attempt. Neither by the senate, nor by the people, can its powerful obligation be dissolved. It requires no interpreter or commentator. It is not one law at Rome, another at Athens; one law now, another hereafter: it is the same eternal and immutable law, given at all times and to all nations: for God, who is its author and promulgator, is always the sole master and sovereign of mankind."
- James Wilson,[The Works of the Honourable James Wilson, L.L.D.; Chap. III Of the Law of Nature]. Mr. Wilson signed the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution. In addition he was a delegate to the Constitutional Convention and a U.S. Supreme Court Justice.
http://gunshowonthenet.com/BOOKS/TheWorksWils...
You do know what "IMMUTABLE" means, right?
You do realize you're quoting a deist and not a biblical christian, right?

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Not quite punk. You have been shown the polls before, and you KNOW that what you claim is false. EIGHTY-FIVE TO NINETY PERCENT OF AMERICANS BELIEVE IN GOD. You can hardly call that "winning".
That doesn't say that they're all christians. Lots of religions believe in a creator. The actual % of christians is 76%, down from 86% a decade ago. And a good number of those 78% no longer believe in the literal truth of the bible, miracles, hell or Satan.

How's this one for fun? More born-again Christians believe in channeling , astrology and reincarnation than non born-again Christians.

Your religion is not only dying, it's being changed from within by pagan beliefs.

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