Mormon Church Enters Calif. Gay Marriage Fight

[just me]

wyojake wrote:

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Pepsico.

The mormon church has nothing to do with Pepsico.
Where in the world di you get that idea?

[just me]

Gaybriel wrote:

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I thought it was Coca-cola?

the mormon church also does not own Coke.
At one time a memebr of thier church ONWED the franchise in Salt Lake City, before a investor group from Hong Kong bought them out. Same for the franchise in IF, Pocatello, Boise, Twin Falls.

[Grandpasmurf952]

John T said "Wait, I'm confused. Is it the mormon church or the gays who are tyring to circumvent democracy?
California voted for a constitutional amendement and since it didn't go the gays' way they are saying it isn't democratic?? What?? "

Perhaps your confusion could be alleviated by a simple study of the democratic process and a proper
understanding of the dangers of the tyranny of the majority. This is something that was recognized by the founding fathers who were well aware of the stratagy of block voting that churches such as the Mormon church use in an attempt to subvert democracy. That is why a proper understanding of our constitution is vital in protecting our freedom from wacky theocracy advocates like the mormons that are deluded into thinking that their prophet knows what is best for the rest of us!

We all need to get informed and get involved in protecting our freedoms from the dangerous insanity of the Patriarchal Religious Military Industrial Complex!

[not ashamed]

Grandpasmurf952 wrote:

LindaS said "Mormons are only 1.3% of the U.S. population, less than gays. So why should they have more political clout? "
The mormons are all required to turn over 10 % of their gross income to the church. This Church is a mega billion dollar financial political empire with absolutely no accountability. The Doctrine of the Church teaches of a theocracy to replace the United States Government. This theocracy once established will then resume blood atonement, and polygamy, two important parts of this patriarchal authoritarian church. The members are taught to lie to protect the church and will use really sneaky debate tactics to undermine the credibility of any who seek to expose the danger of this group. They are dangerous!
This church has already put a disproportionate number of members in strategic positions of power in the FBI, CIA, Homeland Security, and of course their prophet already has dictorial powers in Utah. All of this can be verified on the internet and other sources. You will have to wade through an incredible amount of information generated by the church but after awhile their "scholars" are really easy to spot.
The thing that is really troublesome currently is their efforts to subvert the constitution with their intense efforts to attack the minority group of gay citizens. If they succeed in this it is just a matter of time before they achieve their agenda of wacky theocracy.
We all need to get informed and get involved in helping everyone to recognize the real danger of the false patriarchal religious military industrial complex.
Apathy is a valuable tool of those who would sabotage democracy!

All Churches that use the KJV of the holy bible teach that 10% of your gross income is to be given in tithings.
This is a bible commandment
I truly get sick of people acting as if the mormon church is the only church to practice tithing. Furthermore it is not a requirement it is a commandment and like all commandments you are responsible for deciding wether or not you will keep them.
It is a requirement for temple attendance, all the commandments are a requirement for temple attendance.
Yes we have many members that hold offices in government. SO, anyone has that opportunity.
I have never been taught to lie, nor do I. Your accusations that we do are getting old. You act as if you know our hearts and you don't. Thats okay though, because all attention that is put on our church, be it good or bad, leads to converts, and helps us to spread the truth about our beliefs.

[Gaybriel]

just me wrote:

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the mormon church also does not own Coke.
At one time a memebr of thier church ONWED the franchise in Salt Lake City, before a investor group from Hong Kong bought them out. Same for the franchise in IF, Pocatello, Boise, Twin Falls.

interesting...thanks.

[blackbirdxx]

wyojake wrote:

Interesting how a church (cult) based on a polyamist pedophiles musings from God would have any credibility whatsoever on this topic while still supporting his likenesses in their midst.

how could you say such things about mormons?
i thought they tried to hide those things!
as a 25 year ex-resident of salt lake city you
have hit it on the head...with a pneumatic nail
gun.

[Just H3r3]

John T wrote:

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This is the 21st Century and homosexual acts are no more right than they were 100, 200, 6000 years ago. Why don't you get the message and change your ways? Is 6 billion people telling you that you are wrong not enough for you?
Obviously this battle will never end b/c homosexuals are too addicted to the lifestyle to let it go.
Sure, the equal rights thing is kind of convincing, but still, there is not equal burden of responsibility there so how can there be equal rights?

Your logic on things are far-fetched. Change our "ways?" You might need to ingest that thought more to yourself. We have always been in through many different cultures and throughout the timeline. You are too addicted through your insane world.

[Anti-Socialist Esquire]

Grandpasmurf952 wrote:

LindaS said "Mormons are only 1.3% of the U.S. population, less than gays. So why should they have more political clout? "
The mormons are all required to turn over 10 % of their gross income to the church. This Church is a mega billion dollar financial political empire with absolutely no accountability. The Doctrine of the Church teaches of a theocracy to replace the United States Government. This theocracy once established will then resume blood atonement, and polygamy, two important parts of this patriarchal authoritarian church. The members are taught to lie to protect the church and will use really sneaky debate tactics to undermine the credibility of any who seek to expose the danger of this group. They are dangerous!
This church has already put a disproportionate number of members in strategic positions of power in the FBI, CIA, Homeland Security, and of course their prophet already has dictorial powers in Utah. All of this can be verified on the internet and other sources. You will have to wade through an incredible amount of information generated by the church but after awhile their "scholars" are really easy to spot.
The thing that is really troublesome currently is their efforts to subvert the constitution with their intense efforts to attack the minority group of gay citizens. If they succeed in this it is just a matter of time before they achieve their agenda of wacky theocracy.
We all need to get informed and get involved in helping everyone to recognize the real danger of the false patriarchal religious military industrial complex.
Apathy is a valuable tool of those who would sabotage democracy!

If you're worried about someone Going around the Constitution, you better look at the President. Besides, the 10% is Tithing and it's Voluntary. It's kinda like passing the plate in most other churches. There IS a breakaway group of Mormons that do still practice Paligamy (The Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints), but the main Church Quit that practice long ago. The Paligamists are pretty much confined to UTAH and are a Very small and insignificant group. Now don't you feel Stupid? You seem like the Excitable Type. perhaps you should count to ten. Speaking of the number ten......... Isn't there something in the 10 Commandments about bearing false witness? As in "Thou Shalt Not"?

[Grandpasmurf952]

Anti-Socialist Esquire said "Isn't there something in the 10 Commandments about bearing false witness? As in "Thou Shalt Not"? "

Well, you know, by golly you are right! bearing false witness is a no no! I agree!
Now if we can just get your church to stop lying about the Mountain Meadows Massacre there may be hope for your organization yet!

[Grandpasmurf952]

For those who agree that bearing false witness is wrong here is an interesting site on the Mormon view:

http://www.mormonthink.com/lying.htm

I really think we need to explore this bearing false witness thing in depth!

[Anti-Socialist Esquire]

Grandpasmurf952 wrote:

Anti-Socialist Esquire said "Isn't there something in the 10 Commandments about bearing false witness? As in "Thou Shalt Not"? "
Well, you know, by golly you are right! bearing false witness is a no no! I agree!
Now if we can just get your church to stop lying about the Mountain Meadows Massacre there may be hope for your organization yet!

So, Then, you're using a the Child Mentality of pointing to the other guy when you're caught cold? The Fact remains that the things you were saying about the Mormon Church were Wrong and you were doing so to be inflammatory. I understand the need to let off steam, but next time you do, Get your Facts straight. I'm not saying that Mormons are without Sin. No Man is. Your Behavior is hardly Christian.

[Grandpasmurf952]

Anti-Socialist Esquire said "o, Then, you're using a the Child Mentality of pointing to the other guy when you're caught cold? The Fact remains that the things you were saying about the Mormon Church were Wrong and you were doing so to be inflammatory. I understand the need to let off steam, but next time you do, Get your Facts straight. I'm not saying that Mormons are without Sin. No Man is. Your Behavior is hardly Christian. "

Christians don't lie and neither do I. Here are some websites with articles that contradict your statements. I am not going to call you a liar. I think there is a distinct possibility that you actually believe what you post.

here is a blog article about one mormon's experience:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index...

another one :

http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon356.htm

another one :

http://mormon411.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-dont-...

another one :

http://www.geocities.com/wsimister/bbs500.htm

I could go on and on, apparently there are plenty of disenchanted mormons that have disagreed with your statements. I don't trust mormon sites simply because of your track record of lying to protect the church. You people kind of shot yourselves in the foot on that one :) you call yourselves christian but your record says otherwise.

my behavior has nothing to do with the accuracy of my post.
your attacks on my honesty are laughable to anyone who wants to take the time to do a search on "LSD Lying for the Lord"

I post what I do to help people to see the insanity of the Patriarchal Religious Military Industrial Complex of which your church plays a strong and dangerous part.

[blackbirdxx]

Spector wrote:

I don't give a damn if those Mormons believe in whatever cultish doctrine they choose or if they wear underwear with religious writings on it or whatever. I DO care that they interjected themselves into a political VOTE in another state! Could you imagine if the Pope directed all American Catholics to pour money into a particular politician's campaign, or fund a political referendum like this one in California? It's outrageous.
The Mormon church should have its tax exempt status pulled. A religious group is not allowed to get involved in politics like this. The Mormon Church crossed the line, and they should lose their federal tax exempt status as a result. Period.

Hey, i been telling them that for years..do you think they will listen to me? hell no..i just got another account suspended from KSL (salt lake city online newspaper with a comment board)
Them mo mo's try to control everything...and all that cash flow they have, works pretty good.....except it don't seem to be able to make the fence jumpers go away...
i can't figure out how they get away with it..it's not like they made some extra folding money on friday night bingo..just the basic 10% from every Mormon household is fat cat enough..and they have their hand in everything...from freaky liquor laws...to BUYING
mark shurtlef for attorney general...who claims locking up fence jumpers is racial profiling...
and 8 years in office and the crime rate is in the 'way scary' zone

[blackbirdxx]

Grandpasmurf952 wrote:

Anti-Socialist Esquire said "o, Then, you're using a the Child Mentality of pointing to the other guy when you're caught cold? The Fact remains that the things you were saying about the Mormon Church were Wrong and you were doing so to be inflammatory. I understand the need to let off steam, but next time you do, Get your Facts straight. I'm not saying that Mormons are without Sin. No Man is. Your Behavior is hardly Christian. "
Christians don't lie and neither do I. Here are some websites with articles that contradict your statements. I am not going to call you a liar. I think there is a distinct possibility that you actually believe what you post.
here is a blog article about one mormon's experience:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index...
another one :
http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon356.htm
another one :
http://mormon411.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-dont-...
another one :
http://www.geocities.com/wsimister/bbs500.htm
I could go on and on, apparently there are plenty of disenchanted mormons that have disagreed with your statements. I don't trust mormon sites simply because of your track record of lying to protect the church. You people kind of shot yourselves in the foot on that one :) you call yourselves christian but your record says otherwise.
my behavior has nothing to do with the accuracy of my post.
your attacks on my honesty are laughable to anyone who wants to take the time to do a search on "LSD Lying for the Lord"
I post what I do to help people to see the insanity of the Patriarchal Religious Military Industrial Complex of which your church plays a strong and dangerous part.

Damn..you figured all that out in Califirnia?..it took me 20 years of living in Salt Lake City to really
get my head around the fact that it all about money and twisting the way people think in order to collect.

i was raised Catholic and the very concept of "contributing" 10% is bad enough..the fact that they
keep track of what you give..and they do not have to account for what they get is so sick and wrong..i just want to get out of here..oops..i did that!!
lake havasu city az. is a different world

[Anti-Socialist Esquire]

blackbirdxx wrote:

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Hey, i been telling them that for years..do you think they will listen to me? hell no..i just got another account suspended from KSL (salt lake city online newspaper with a comment board)
Them mo mo's try to control everything...and all that cash flow they have, works pretty good.....except it don't seem to be able to make the fence jumpers go away...
i can't figure out how they get away with it..it's not like they made some extra folding money on friday night bingo..just the basic 10% from every Mormon household is fat cat enough..and they have their hand in everything...from freaky liquor laws...to BUYING
mark shurtlef for attorney general...who claims locking up fence jumpers is racial profiling...
and 8 years in office and the crime rate is in the 'way scary' zone

If you don't like it. Move out of Utah. Simple.

[Anti-Socialist Esquire]

Grandpasmurf952 wrote:

Anti-Socialist Esquire said "o, Then, you're using a the Child Mentality of pointing to the other guy when you're caught cold? The Fact remains that the things you were saying about the Mormon Church were Wrong and you were doing so to be inflammatory. I understand the need to let off steam, but next time you do, Get your Facts straight. I'm not saying that Mormons are without Sin. No Man is. Your Behavior is hardly Christian. "
Christians don't lie and neither do I. Here are some websites with articles that contradict your statements. I am not going to call you a liar. I think there is a distinct possibility that you actually believe what you post.
here is a blog article about one mormon's experience:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index...
another one :
http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon356.htm
another one :
http://mormon411.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-dont-...
another one :
http://www.geocities.com/wsimister/bbs500.htm
I could go on and on, apparently there are plenty of disenchanted mormons that have disagreed with your statements. I don't trust mormon sites simply because of your track record of lying to protect the church. You people kind of shot yourselves in the foot on that one :) you call yourselves christian but your record says otherwise.
my behavior has nothing to do with the accuracy of my post.
your attacks on my honesty are laughable to anyone who wants to take the time to do a search on "LSD Lying for the Lord"
I post what I do to help people to see the insanity of the Patriarchal Religious Military Industrial Complex of which your church plays a strong and dangerous part.

You say what you want. you have that right. Personally, i think that you are very childish. If you have a problem with the mormon Church, that's your business. You aren't the authority on all religions. People have a Right to choose. Your Comments lead me to believe that you have to say something bad about someone else's religion to be more secure about your own. Would it be the Christian thing to do to talk badly about someone in matters that don't even have to do with religion? What do you think of people that do? There's a saying "If you don't have anything nice to say, Don't say anything at all". Perhaps you should attack Jews and Muslims next. Since you're on a Roll. Maybe you should start a Hate group like the KKK. I hope you see how foolish you're being. Just take your Religions's Name and put it in front of "Supremacist".

[not ashamed]

Grandpasmurf952 wrote:

Anti-Socialist Esquire said "o, Then, you're using a the Child Mentality of pointing to the other guy when you're caught cold? The Fact remains that the things you were saying about the Mormon Church were Wrong and you were doing so to be inflammatory. I understand the need to let off steam, but next time you do, Get your Facts straight. I'm not saying that Mormons are without Sin. No Man is. Your Behavior is hardly Christian. "
Christians don't lie and neither do I. Here are some websites with articles that contradict your statements. I am not going to call you a liar. I think there is a distinct possibility that you actually believe what you post.
here is a blog article about one mormon's experience:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index...
another one :
http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon356.htm
another one :
http://mormon411.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-dont-...
another one :
http://www.geocities.com/wsimister/bbs500.htm
I could go on and on, apparently there are plenty of disenchanted mormons that have disagreed with your statements. I don't trust mormon sites simply because of your track record of lying to protect the church. You people kind of shot yourselves in the foot on that one :) you call yourselves christian but your record says otherwise.
my behavior has nothing to do with the accuracy of my post.
your attacks on my honesty are laughable to anyone who wants to take the time to do a search on "LSD Lying for the Lord"
I post what I do to help people to see the insanity of the Patriarchal Religious Military Industrial Complex of which your church plays a strong and dangerous part.

Grandpa, did you really just say that christians don't lie????
People of all faiths have been known to lie.
I've also never been taught in the LDS church to "lie for the lord" you assume too much about our faith from what you read.

[GordonGirl]

Grandpasmurf952 wrote:

LindaS said "Mormons are only 1.3% of the U.S. population, less than gays. So why should they have more political clout? "
The mormons are all required to turn over 10 % of their gross income to the church. This Church is a mega billion dollar financial political empire with absolutely no accountability. The Doctrine of the Church teaches of a theocracy to replace the United States Government. This theocracy once established will then resume blood atonement, and polygamy, two important parts of this patriarchal authoritarian church. The members are taught to lie to protect the church and will use really sneaky debate tactics to undermine the credibility of any who seek to expose the danger of this group. They are dangerous!
This church has already put a disproportionate number of members in strategic positions of power in the FBI, CIA, Homeland Security, and of course their prophet already has dictorial powers in Utah. All of this can be verified on the internet and other sources. You will have to wade through an incredible amount of information generated by the church but after awhile their "scholars" are really easy to spot.
The thing that is really troublesome currently is their efforts to subvert the constitution with their intense efforts to attack the minority group of gay citizens. If they succeed in this it is just a matter of time before they achieve their agenda of wacky theocracy.
We all need to get informed and get involved in helping everyone to recognize the real danger of the false patriarchal religious military industrial complex.
Apathy is a valuable tool of those who would sabotage democracy!

THAT'S a conspiracy theory if I ever read one. LOL

[GordonGirl]

Grandpasmurf, I think you were excommunicated and now you have a vendetta. You are one sad individual.

[No Surprise]

Grandpasmurf952 wrote....Christians don't lie and neither do I. Here are some websites with articles that contradict your statements. I am not going to call you a liar. I think there is a distinct possibility that you actually believe what you post.
here is a blog article about one mormon's experience:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index...
A. I went to this site and the following remark is your belief of an UNBIASED opinion Smurf??
"The church leaders compile your tithing records and then have you meet with the Bishop (Pastor) who then asks if the amount you gave was correct and then shakes you down for more money."

another one :
http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon356.htm
A. From this link, do you know Smurf that except for Alaska, Utah is one of the most charitable giving states in the US? The church isn't a charity. Your problem is you don't want to know the fact that when they say "charitable" they mean giving to charities that do charity drives by phone and internet which the church does not do like cancer and heart foundations. Like emergency charties set up for the likes of Katrina and 9/11 that happen all over the world. You are your own smuck for thinking that a minority of ACTIVE MORMONS in Utah that tith to the LDS church has bankrupted Utah. You'll swallow anything to spit out some dirt won't you.
"In Utah, the reasons extend to larger family size, higher charitable contributions and lower-than-average per-capita income levels, Matthews said."

another one :
http://mormon411.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-dont-...
A. This site was a great one Smurf. Do you know why the person quit the church? These are his own words..."Second, to show the LDS people that the church is not perfect." He thought the church was perfect. He should never have been a part of the church and no wonder his life was so screwed up in general. He though most everthing in life was perfect and well. How many people have you met like that seriously? An extremely deluded person. Hope their doing better now.

another one :
http://www.geocities.com/wsimister/bbs500.htm
A. The title of this link said it all Smurf. You sure pick some winners! lolol.
"This isn't just another 'church.' This 'church' has wrecked many lives, both financially and spiritually. It destroys marriages,..." Taken from discussion at "Recovery From Mormonism" BBS".
The above is like third person. It insinuates the church is some living entity seperate of humanity. No church does anything. People do what they do to themselves and if you believe any different, your nothing but an enabler to help someone believe they have become something they had no control over becoming.

Then you wrote...."my behavior has nothing to do with the accuracy of my post."
A. Do you have any idea of what you just said? The accuracy of your post IS DEPENDENT UPON your thinking behavior. You do know that? You do know when you or I or anyone references a link and a link is biased, it means you or I are biased.