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dave1467

Saint Louis, MO

#1 Nov 21, 2006
Today, I ran into this article in a blog. What do you think?

"I have travelled widely to Europe and Asia and I want to share this well-known observation - American feminist women have a terrible reputation among men around the world. They are widely perceived as obese, selfish, spoiled, boorish and emotionally demanding. They are also considered rather overbearing and hysterical. It's well known amongst expat communities around the world that American feminist women are shunned by men outside of U.S.A.

On the contrary, decent and well-off American men are generally viewed as the "cream of the crop" - highly coveted and desirable.... These gentlemen enjoy a great reputation among foreign ladies who perceive them to be respectful, nurturing, responsible, well-educated and financially secure. In addition, these women believe that American men make great husbands, especially in contrast to native men, who are often disrespectful, abusive and unfaithful.

The problem in this country is that the "best in the world" are often paired up with the "worst in the world".... a complete mismatch. It's like a highschool Prom King dating an ugly, domineering and boorish girl. It's very unlikely this type of relationship will work out. Sadly, this seems to be the case, as the marriages "made in America" have a higher divorce rate (55 to 60 percent) than in the cross-cultural marriages (15 to 20 percent). So why is risk of divorce so much lower when an American gentleman marries a "mail-order bride"? In a nutshell, it's because our Prom King is marrying a Prom Queen, who is beautiful, intelligent, feminine, appreciative and devoted.

A growing number of affluent American men are rejecting American feminist women and going overseas to embrace loverly, young foreign brides. A nearly fourfold increase in foreign women entering the U.S. on fiance(e) visas (over the last 7 years) supports this contention. It's no secret that by pursuing foreign women, men can find much younger, more attractive and devoted partners than what's available at home.

Let me tell you about the relationship between my loverly Russian wife and myself. Despite our 21 year age difference, our relationship is based on mutual love and admiration.... our love is real and valid. Also, our bond is strengthened by our common interests, continual romance and mutual respect for each other. As with most Russian women, my wife is independent and has a strong will. Our relationship is a 50-50 equal partnership. There is no control and no domination.

My experience, as described above, is very typical of most marriages to "mail-order brides" - in contrast to many marriages "made in America", there are no bitchiness or nagging, no hysteria or drama and no belligerant or confrontational behaviors.... only mutual love and admiration.

Therefore...., when a decent and affluent American gentleman marries a young, loverly foreign bride, what's created is truely, a match made in heaven - the best matched with the best....

And IMBRA is really a scornful feminist response to growing international romance."
http://www.online-dating-rights.com/blog/lest... ?

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JS Ortega

Denver, CO

#2 Nov 21, 2006
Oh Please Dave spare me the tears, let me see 21 year age difference, how much did you pay?
Your indifference to american women is what? they wouldn't give you the time of the day so you label them as "feminist", Ok, carry on with your expensive love life.
not a republican anymore

Odenton, MD

#3 Nov 21, 2006
dave1467 wrote:
Today, I ran into this article in a blog. What do you think?
"I have travelled widely to Europe and Asia and I want to share this well-known observation - American feminist women have a terrible reputation among men around the world. They are widely perceived as obese, selfish, spoiled, boorish and emotionally demanding. They are also considered rather overbearing and hysterical. It's well known amongst expat communities around the world that American feminist women are shunned by men outside of U.S.A.
On the contrary, decent and well-off American men are generally viewed as the "cream of the crop" - highly coveted and desirable.... These gentlemen enjoy a great reputation among foreign ladies who perceive them to be respectful, nurturing, responsible, well-educated and financially secure. In addition, these women believe that American men make great husbands, especially in contrast to native men, who are often disrespectful, abusive and unfaithful.
The problem in this country is that the "best in the world" are often paired up with the "worst in the world".... a complete mismatch. It's like a highschool Prom King dating an ugly, domineering and boorish girl. It's very unlikely this type of relationship will work out. Sadly, this seems to be the case, as the marriages "made in America" have a higher divorce rate (55 to 60 percent) than in the cross-cultural marriages (15 to 20 percent). So why is risk of divorce so much lower when an American gentleman marries a "mail-order bride"? In a nutshell, it's because our Prom King is marrying a Prom Queen, who is beautiful, intelligent, feminine, appreciative and devoted.
A growing number of affluent American men are rejecting American feminist women and going overseas to embrace loverly, young foreign brides. A nearly fourfold increase in foreign women entering the U.S. on fiance(e) visas (over the last 7 years) supports this contention. It's no secret that by pursuing foreign women, men can find much younger, more attractive and devoted partners than what's available at home.
Let me tell you about the relationship between my loverly Russian wife and myself. Despite our 21 year age difference, our relationship is based on mutual love and admiration.... our love is real and valid. Also, our bond is strengthened by our common interests, continual romance and mutual respect for each other. As with most Russian women, my wife is independent and has a strong will. Our relationship is a 50-50 equal partnership. There is no control and no domination.
My experience, as described above, is very typical of most marriages to "mail-order brides" - in contrast to many marriages "made in America", there are no bitchiness or nagging, no hysteria or drama and no belligerant or confrontational behaviors.... only mutual love and admiration.
Therefore...., when a decent and affluent American gentleman marries a young, loverly foreign bride, what's created is truely, a match made in heaven - the best matched with the best....
And IMBRA is really a scornful feminist response to growing international romance."
http://www.online-dating-rights.com/blog/lest... ?
Sounds to me like you can't handle a woman that can think for herself. You have a self esteem problem. Go buy yourself a bride it is probably your only chance as a real American woman would not have a loser like you.
randy wagner

Brooklyn, NY

#4 Nov 21, 2006
what about russian mail order brides?
not a republican anymore

Odenton, MD

#5 Nov 21, 2006
randy wagner wrote:
what about russian mail order brides?
How many russian women do you know? Most of them would tear some fool american man's head off if he tried to boss them around. Russian women are very strong people.
Sailor

Ridgewood, NJ

#6 Nov 22, 2006
JS Ortega wrote:
Oh Please Dave spare me the tears, let me see 21 year age difference, how much did you pay?
Your indifference to american women is what? they wouldn't give you the time of the day so you label them as "feminist", Ok, carry on with your expensive love life.
It is not how much did he pay. It is how much that 50% relasionship is going to cost him in a year or two.

He is absolutelely right. Well to do Americans are the cream of the crop. They are the ticket out. The jackpot. The alternative for them is roaming southern Europe for "favors" and other work benefits. You can "rent" them by the day, week, month, your pleasure.

The whole post seems to me like an advertisement.
Lance Winslow

Schuylkill Haven, PA

#7 Nov 23, 2006
Aren't these schemes illegal?
Sailor

Ridgewood, NJ

#8 Nov 23, 2006
Lance Winslow wrote:
Aren't these schemes illegal?
Nope. If you have money, you can buy or rent anything. Including a wife or maid. You are retired with money. You should try it.
dave1467

Saint Louis, MO

#9 Nov 30, 2006
Yes, Russian women are strong people and they are not bought or sold. But they do fall in love and they do marry men they love. And yes, a rich American man can marry a very young, beautiful Russian bride. I think this is a better option than settling for a fat middle-aged American woman.
David R Omaha NE

Council Bluffs, IA

#10 Dec 3, 2006
I have researched this extensively, as I personally am interested in the possibility. In response to JS Ortega in CO and her rather "bitchy" response, I say this: Pussy costs money, period.
I've been married twice. First wife was with me 7 years, two kids...no abuse, no neglect, told her I loved her all the time, helped with kids. We went back to graduate school, she got a boyfriend and left. CASH OUT - I start over.
I marry again..this time to a "Christian" woman with a young girl. I adopt the girl, we are married 7 years and add two kids. I work my tail off because this one has Borerline Personality Disorder. Nothing is enough. I make $100K per year, come home and help cook, clean, put kids to bed, organize the house, and do monetary things.
I find secondary income to support her bad spending habits. When I finally am forced to take over ocmplete control of the funds - as she files for bankruptcy without my approval - she files for divorce, too. I now pay $2600 / month to her and I am still paying.
All I've ever wanted is a woman I can TRUST, who is loyal, faithful, beautiful, and sexual. Someone who shares my spiritual beliefs is desired, but not required - respect for them is all I need.
So if it costs me $10,000 -$20,000 to meet through a service, fly to Russia / Ukraine several times (both of us) to find someone who's right for me, so be it! I've spent that much (twice) in divorces. In fact, my first two daughters from my first marriage live with me - I have custody.
I'm not some vagrant. I've never slept around on my wives. I don't drink but once/ month. I don't smoke, gamble, or abuse women. I've never hit a woman, ever.
Yet I faced two marriages where they simply wanted out and I could do nothing. My second wife threw in major emotional abuse due to her illness and threats of divorce were always in the air.
She got overweight for awhile and blamed me because I impregnated her and she wouldn't control her diet - she eventually slimmed down but I never stopped telling her how beautiful she was to me. I never stopped trying to give her physical affection (rubbing her back, kissing her neck, etc.).
I just have found - not only with my wives, but with my girlfriends - that what they say they want they either cannot receive or don't really want. They want control and all of it. Since they already have the pussy - I'm stuck begging for it and due to my desire for faithfulness I'm stuck with one woman for it.
I simply want a woman who cherishes me as much as I do her. I want a woman who gives herself to me because it's right. This may sound crazy - but if the divorce rate between Russian brides and American men is 20%- what does that say?
To me, it says that some are "gold diggers", but how is that different from here? There are then some that obviously either find an abusive or unfaithful man and decide to leave - they can get that in Russia and their family is there.
The rest - FOUR OUT OF FIVE - stay married. For the man (I'm 40 now thanks to the two screws I've been married to), we can 'start over' with a younger, vital, sexual woman. Not only is this "fantasy" of marrying a hot, younger woman just what a middle-aged, fed-up with feminism, sexually frustrated American man needs - it's what they want to.
Their culture teaches them that older man make more stable income providers, better lovers, and better fathers.
So...IF I'm successful, then I've found my dream. If not, I've married a lot younger, hotter woman than I'd likely get in the U.S. without the drama and "maintenance" in the meantime.
And I paid again for sex. But how would that be different than here? Upside is better than downside.
I'm laying my money down in Russia.

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dave1467

Saint Louis, MO

#11 Dec 4, 2006
I am 41 now and my Russian wife is 20 and she works as a fashion model. Most Russian women are sincere, loving, and loyal and overall, less maintenance than most American women, however, there are some scammers out there who just want Green Card. So my only suggestion is to choose carefully. Think with the big head, not the small head.
David R Omaha NE

Council Bluffs, IA

#12 Dec 4, 2006
Wow Dave...your wife's a model, huh?

Which website did you meet her at, or did you go over there to meet her on a tour? I'm talking with about a half dozen women - two of which are models and one was. All of the women are extremely attractive, sweet, and smart.

I'm just trying to figure out if this is the best method. Because - to be blunt - I cannot really decide who I should visit first or if I should just "bite the bullet" and go on a tour.

ANY SUGGESTIONS?

Only two of the six are in their 30's (33 - both of them). And either of them would win a beauty contest here. One should be on a calendar, she's such a hard-body. The other is a talent scout for her own modeling agency.

The other four are 21-25 years old, and several of them have sent me personal photos that legitimize the air brushed versions on the website I'm using.

Two (of the total six) speak English well, the others don't...is there anything to emphasizing that? Does it matter? Does your wife speak solid English?

The 25 year-old is extremely funny (she's the former model), speaks English, and shares common interests - books, restaurants, travel ideas.

Both of the 21 year-olds are completely stunning and just finishing college. One is so pretty, she makes the models (she isn't one) look 2nd rate.

But they all have their strong points and I've elminated the ones with attitude as best I can.

What do you do for a living, if I may ask, David?- I make a good living, but I do pay a sizable chunk out to Uncle Sam and Evil Ex 2.

I don't want to travel for a minimum of $2K and miss the mark. How did you decide on your model - wife? Your help would certainly be appreciated.

I definitely don't want the "little head" to turn into a Green Card for some lovely scammer. I am trying to be practical as well as romantic with them all.

But by springtime (except one), latest, I've got to visit or lose their interest. Two are in the same city (Voronezh), two others are close (Nikolaev and Odessa). Should I combine visits and be frank with them? Or combine and hide?

Fire away with your thoughts. I'd be curious as to how you won your wife. They aren't fools and are intelligent, educated women. So you must have done something right.

I am very communicative, honest, and open, which seems to help. I'm considered attractive by women - but I am 40 (close to your age)- even though I look younger.

I do think I may have one scammer (a 23 year-old in Kiev) I've found out, but again that one is pretty enough to make your jaw drop. And I'm not certain, just a feeling from something she slipped in an email. Any horror stories I should hear?

Ciao for now.

--David R
David R

Council Bluffs, IA

#13 Dec 4, 2006
One more thing: I was researching and found that Russian women who marry men here have a success rate of over 80%!!! Compare that to marrying our women (44%). Shocking.
dave1467

Sikeston, MO

#14 Dec 4, 2006
Dave R,

I met my wife via Elenas Models ( www.elenasmodels.com ). This is a good site and I think most of the Russian/Ukranian women profiled are sincere and wants to find a loving husband. However, you still need to be careful and watch for scammers and NEVER SEND ANY MONEY TO LADIES YOU HAVE NEVER PERSONALLY MET.

I have spoken to about 30 Russian women before I decided to focus exclusively on my current wife. Again, I understand that we men want youth and beauty in women but make sure that you evaluate the whole person in deciding who to pursue. I am lucky that my wife is a beautiful model but inside, she is also loyal, humble and understanding. She is also much less materialistic than most American women. And SHE KNOWS HOW TO TREAT A MAN RIGHT!

As far as deciding which lady to visit, I don't know what to say except go with your gut feelings about her as a person. And if you meet her and if she wants to spend all your money and demanding, drop her, as she is most likely to be a scammer. You might want to consider combining a tour ( loveme.com or elenasmodels.com ) with a private meeting with your favorite girl so that if the meeting does not go well, you can still meet other women. But keep in mind, often it takes more than one trip to Russia to find the right person so this endeavor can be costly.

I met my wife in Ukraine for the first time 2 years ago and I ended up making 2 more trips there to get to know her better before bringing her to U.S.A. I think many of these young Russian women are simply georgeous, intelligent and loving. They are simply superior to overweight middle age American women. In fact, I had to reject several middle-aged American women who were romantically interested in me so that I could pursue my young foreign bride.

Here is a very valuable resources you might find helpful that give more info on Russian brides. www.womenrussia.com and www.rwguide.com

Good luck on your endeavors.
dave1467

Sikeston, MO

#15 Dec 4, 2006
By the way, you are correct. About 80 percent of marriages to Russian women are successful (as compared to 44 percent success rate nationally). However, 20 percent of American-Russian marriages do end up in divorce for one reason or another, so its not perfect. Some of those 20 percent are Russian women who get married to a U.S. citizen and then leave marriage when they get their Green Card.
David R

Council Bluffs, IA

#16 Dec 4, 2006
Dave,

Thanks for your input. I've also put off some middle-aged American women to pursue the girls in Russia and Ukraine I'm talking to. I've written letters (multiples) with about a dozen others and for whatever reason have eliminated them.

So I agree it's going to take some time. I am going to go with "my gut" and visit them in the order I wish to. I was thinking about your suggestion already - combining a single meeting with a tour.

Or combining meeting two of them in one trip. I realize it's going to take some time (good) and money (not so good - but acceptable).

I will investigate your resources, and I have heard of Elenasmodels.com . So I will definitely try there, as well. I'm working with Anastasiaweb.com and russianbrides.com .

We'll see how I do. I realize that 20% failure rate is still 1/5. It's just better than I can get here with bitchy, middle-aged, vultures here.

I've had it with them. I'm losing $600,000 to my ex-wife (with the mental condition). How much worse can it be to go to Russia a few extra times??

Thanks again. I'll keep writing with questions, I'm sure. My best to you and your wife.

Any kids?

--David
dave1467

Sikeston, MO

#17 Dec 4, 2006
Hey Dave,

Personally, I think pursuing younger (and more georgeous) Russian women is worth the cost and the risk. Once a person finds the right woman and if he treats her well, the Russian bride will more likely stay committed and loyal in the marriage than a typical American woman.

One thing though, I have heard that AnastasiaWeb does not have the best of reputations. I am not sure how much of this is true since I had never worked with them. It's good that you are doing a lot of research into this matter, as being prepared is the key to this endeavor. By the way, I do have one child from a previous relationship and I actively remain part of her life.
David R

Council Bluffs, IA

#18 Dec 5, 2006
Dave,

Thanks for the info. I had heard that, too...but remember looking BRIEFLY into this before my second marriage and they were around (Anastasiaweb). I think their reputation is partially the cost (it's higher than most) and because of the airbrushing - "glamour" shots.

I have had SEVERAL girls I've been talking to that looked INCREDIBLE in their Anastasiaweb picture and VERY different and rather ordinary in the ones they sent to me. So I ask right away and send pictures of me and my kids to them all. No surprises.

My advice to anyone reading this is: get pictures THEY took and send you. If they won't, don't trust she's that hot.

I have had one girl look BETTER in her personal shots. She is one of the youngest ones (21), and her personal shots were incredible. Two of them simply are too pretty that any picture of them would look good.

So...just ask for a personal pic is what I have learned.

And Dave...I'm have checked out your sites. The womenrussia.com site I had actually already seen and read several articles. The other I enjoyed. Elena's models is obviously a successful place for you, so I'm going to try it, as well. I'm in no hurry - but do want to get a good "talent pool" and then eliminate down to one - or none.

If I get to none, I'll just start over.

I went back after your suggestions, too, as I'd forgotten about womenrussia.com and it's got very good help there. Again, I appreciate all your input.

I'm leaning right now toward the 25 year-old interpreter (English fluent) as her personality and looks are a great mix. The English ability doesn't hurt and she is a former model. Both the 21 year-olds are incredible in their looks, but they'll need to have all that I want / need in a woman to be "the one".

Just as I will have to be for them.

Do you think I should NOT pursue the 33 year-olds? Neither has been married, but one (at least) has lived with her boyfriends (2) before, and has a son. None of the other ones has a child, at all.

What negatives (or positives) of them having children do you see?

Talk to you soon.

--David
dave1467

Sikeston, MO

#20 Dec 5, 2006
Ashley wrote:
:::What kind of Superfreaks!!?!!::: lol
What's matter? Don't you want to join in on the conversation about our loverly Russian brides?
David R

Council Bluffs, IA

#21 Dec 6, 2006
LOL...I doubt it. Perhaps we've found another "...obese, selfish, spoiled, boorish and emotionally demanding..." American woman out there.

Like I said, I'd rather pay for younger, prettier, highly appreciative, 80% success rate females than those! And we all pay for the pussy, as I stated before. Over half a million to my last wife after 8 years of misery. Wow...sounds great! Can I do THAT again??

What do you say, Ashley? Maybe you're one of the "treasured few" and don't understand how the rest of us find women (like your friends, perhaps) whom no one would describe as a "find".

Meanwhile, I'll keep working on the Russian models. ;)

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