Prove there's a god.

Since: Feb 08

Allentown, Pa

#778 Apr 7, 2008
Xcntrik InVidor wrote:
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Sorry pal, I'm stating facts.
You're giving opinions.
Perhaps you might be interested in what the actual biblical scholars say. Perhaps not.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows...
Thanks for the link. It looks like it might be interesting. I will check it out later.
Joan W

AOL

#779 Apr 7, 2008
Jeremy Hoar wrote:
This question is about belief and faith.
One can physically show his works from the bible.
Genesis: "He created Heaven and Earth". But, many
believe the Bible is not true. So, it stems down to free will. I know he's real because I've seen miracles not "luck, astrology, etc." Now, one can claim God didn't do it. But, one who prays to God and sees his prayer answered shall rightfully claim God just proved himself to them. My own testament is this. I've always prayed and tried to do right by others and live a good life. A year ago I was a pothead and got popped. I prayed to God to help me A) Quit smoking B)Find a better job and move C) Work on fixing my problems and relationships. Guess what? Within 2 weeks I had a new great job and house in a new town (Applied to one place and found the house the same day). I've given up "herb" and been sober almost a year. And my problems are being fixed and I have salvaged many relationships that were lost or dying due to my addiction. Now, some will say this is luck or self determination on my part. I know it was God. I don't have to prove he's real to you. I know he's real to me. And all I can do is try to spread the word, help others, and keep doing my best. God Bless!
Yeah, but you've been sober one year. I've been sober for 27 years and everyone I got sober with is either old or dead now, and all of their lives ended up pretty much the same as the day they got sober, except that they stopped drinking. Wait until you get old. AA brainwashes people by telling them over and over and over to look for god in everything that happens in their lives. That's how I got caught up in the trap. I went back to meetings 20 years later and here are these poor people with real problems who need therapy and money and education, and they are brainwashed in AA to think of they got a moving truck when they are flat broke, this means god is helping them. Their lives are in shambles and they need real help from other human beings and from the government, and instead of seeing it, they think well, I'm out in the street but god gave me 50 bucks for a moving van. It becomes insanity at that point. I met one lady in AA who couldn't get pregnant at an older age, already had children. She goes and gets fertility drugs, has a baby, then claimns god gave it to her, then her husband from AA develops a brain tumor and is mean to the child. It's all crap. She got pregant late in life by using drugs and she should not have done that. God had nothing to do with it, nor with her husband's brain tumor. It's called science, medicine, biology, genes, DNA and the choices people make.
TLJ

United States

#780 Apr 7, 2008
A Formal Satire wrote:
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You're absolutely right! So we should just make it all up as we go along! We can have flying spaghetti monsters, gods, invisible elves in bottled water, unicorns, and a whole host of other unfalsifiable things! After all, we don't "know" they don't exist, so let's throw logic and probability out the window and just say "God did it." Makes you feel all fuzzy, right? Who cares if we can't prove it or if the evidence doesn't add up? I feel good believing "God did it."
Wow. That was easy.
Why does it bother you so much that I (and others) choose to believe in a God we know to be true. As I said in another post He reveals Himself to us so we know. I don't expect you to believe in my way or even understand it. My way does not contradict any of you proven theories of science, just the unproven ones. And I find the belief that we came from apes, or all life evolving from simple cells a far stretch fairtale myself. But I don't try to make you feel stupid for believing in it. You're not hurting me and I'm not hurting you with our beliefs. So we can, if we try, respect eachothers right to believe what we do.
TLJ

United States

#781 Apr 7, 2008
Ya'll will have to excuse my typos. I'm having a rough morning.

“Knowledge is Power”

Since: Feb 08

Pond Creek, Oklahoma

#782 Apr 7, 2008
Joan W wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah, but you've been sober one year. I've been sober for 27 years and everyone I got sober with is either old or dead now, and all of their lives ended up pretty much the same as the day they got sober, except that they stopped drinking. Wait until you get old. AA brainwashes people by telling them over and over and over to look for god in everything that happens in their lives. That's how I got caught up in the trap. I went back to meetings 20 years later and here are these poor people with real problems who need therapy and money and education, and they are brainwashed in AA to think of they got a moving truck when they are flat broke, this means god is helping them. Their lives are in shambles and they need real help from other human beings and from the government, and instead of seeing it, they think well, I'm out in the street but god gave me 50 bucks for a moving van. It becomes insanity at that point. I met one lady in AA who couldn't get pregnant at an older age, already had children. She goes and gets fertility drugs, has a baby, then claimns god gave it to her, then her husband from AA develops a brain tumor and is mean to the child. It's all crap. She got pregant late in life by using drugs and she should not have done that. God had nothing to do with it, nor with her husband's brain tumor. It's called science, medicine, biology, genes, DNA and the choices people make.
I never went to AA. I have a counselor not a group. And it's obvious your angry because of your life. Besides, I was clean and sober for 28 years before I even did drugs. Your opinion's yours. Mine is mine. You have shown even after I truthfully related a personal experience, that you contest my beliefs. And pretty much call me a liar. Well, you weren't there to see the gifts he's given were you? So have a nice day. Also, congrats on staying sober. I hope you agree being clean is better than being a prisoner any day.
TLJ

United States

#783 Apr 7, 2008
Jeremy Hoar wrote:
<quoted text>I never went to AA. I have a counselor not a group. And it's obvious your angry because of your life. Besides, I was clean and sober for 28 years before I even did drugs. Your opinion's yours. Mine is mine. You have shown even after I truthfully related a personal experience, that you contest my beliefs. And pretty much call me a liar. Well, you weren't there to see the gifts he's given were you? So have a nice day. Also, congrats on staying sober. I hope you agree being clean is better than being a prisoner any day.
You have a great testimony Jeremy.
Joan W

AOL

#784 Apr 7, 2008
Jeremy Hoar wrote:
<quoted text>I never went to AA. I have a counselor not a group. And it's obvious your angry because of your life. Besides, I was clean and sober for 28 years before I even did drugs. Your opinion's yours. Mine is mine. You have shown even after I truthfully related a personal experience, that you contest my beliefs. And pretty much call me a liar. Well, you weren't there to see the gifts he's given were you? So have a nice day. Also, congrats on staying sober. I hope you agree being clean is better than being a prisoner any day.
I'm not calling you a liar or attacking you. People always ask nonbelievers why is it important to them whether or not other people believe in god. For me, it's just that I did for over 40 years, and I played by all the rules of life, and so when I found out there isn't a god, I wish someone had told me like 30 years ago, because it ended up hurting me. I would have been so much better off if an older person had taken me aside 30 years ago and told me, honey, there really isn't a god, unless you get a good lawyer and get your mind around the real situation with your family, no matter what else you do, you will not survive. Granted, people in AA, from day one kept telling my my grandfather was hurting all of us so badly and to get away from him. That's why the therapists have been telling us for 25 years too, but nobody has ever been able to help us do it. I know how to solve the problem, if I could get a good lawyer to prove he is nuts, sue him for all of the abuse, but he has my one sister protecting him, always has us pitted against one another. We would have to be unified to make anything change. It's really about legal actions, I did beat him in court twice already. But, I just hate to see people believe all the god stuff with what I have found out, waste their energy and thoughts and lives on it like I did. It is a total waste of time because there isn't a god. I can't help that, but, I'm always happy to hear that other people are happy and not having to live the way I do. It makes me feel better.
TLJ

United States

#785 Apr 7, 2008
Joan W wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not calling you a liar or attacking you. People always ask nonbelievers why is it important to them whether or not other people believe in god. For me, it's just that I did for over 40 years, and I played by all the rules of life, and so when I found out there isn't a god, I wish someone had told me like 30 years ago, because it ended up hurting me. I would have been so much better off if an older person had taken me aside 30 years ago and told me, honey, there really isn't a god, unless you get a good lawyer and get your mind around the real situation with your family, no matter what else you do, you will not survive. Granted, people in AA, from day one kept telling my my grandfather was hurting all of us so badly and to get away from him. That's why the therapists have been telling us for 25 years too, but nobody has ever been able to help us do it. I know how to solve the problem, if I could get a good lawyer to prove he is nuts, sue him for all of the abuse, but he has my one sister protecting him, always has us pitted against one another. We would have to be unified to make anything change. It's really about legal actions, I did beat him in court twice already. But, I just hate to see people believe all the god stuff with what I have found out, waste their energy and thoughts and lives on it like I did. It is a total waste of time because there isn't a god. I can't help that, but, I'm always happy to hear that other people are happy and not having to live the way I do. It makes me feel better.
I'm confused, why can't you get away from him, since you are an adult, without sueing him in court?

“xcntrik.wordpres s.com”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#786 Apr 7, 2008
cotk wrote:
<quoted text>HAHA X the joke is on you. I stole your box and sold it at W_N's yard sale for 25 cents. AND no, you cannot have a part of the 25 cent profit I got. Please forgive me from stealing from you but it was a nice shiny box. I just could not help myself.
Drats !

I hate when that happens.

I do have to admit something though, I had stolen the box from you first, so it was your box anyway.
Stupid is a stupid does

Fairburn, GA

#787 Apr 7, 2008
Proce there is a God. Are you breathing? Are you walking? You dumb Ass, why would you think that there is no God? Every morning when you wake this proves that the Sun is part of the creation that was done by God. You need to get a life or a better job, LOSER!

“is now Slightly Perfect”

Since: Mar 08

Monroe, NC

#788 Apr 7, 2008
TLJ wrote:
Why does it bother you so much that I (and others) choose to believe in a God we know to be true.
Because you're dishonest, and you try to pass it off as fact. You want your faith to enter fact-based disciplines and be taken seriously. It can't be. It's faith, and faith is useless.
TLJ wrote:
As I said in another post He reveals Himself to us so we know.
How can we know that's not our brains? What criteria do you use to differentiate between your own mind and God's thoughts to you, or vice versa?
TLJ wrote:
I don't expect you to believe in my way or even understand it.
You're making it all up as you go along. How can I? How can anyone else?
TLJ wrote:
My way does not contradict any of you proven theories of science, just the unproven ones.
So you're calling your ignorance "God"?
TLJ wrote:
And I find the belief that we came from apes, or all life evolving from simple cells a far stretch fairtale myself.
So the _fact_ that we evolved alongside of monkeys as a separate species is something you can't "believe" because it doesn't suit your personal prejudice? But yet you claim "My way does not contradict any of you proven theories of science"?

See, it doesn't matter whether you believe something or not. That doesn't change whether the thing is true.
TLJ wrote:
But I don't try to make you feel stupid for believing in it.
How could you?
TLJ wrote:
You're not hurting me and I'm not hurting you with our beliefs.
Oh sure you are. You're hurting yourself, those around you, and any children you may have because you're _lying_ to yourself and those around you.
TLJ wrote:
So we can, if we try, respect eachothers right to believe what we do.
I don't respect your beliefs. That doesn't mean I don't respect you as a person. Your beliefs are based on nothing more than hoped-for fantasy. I can't help that the truth offends you.

“is now Slightly Perfect”

Since: Mar 08

Monroe, NC

#789 Apr 7, 2008
Joan W wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not calling you a liar or attacking you. People always ask nonbelievers why is it important to them whether or not other people believe in god. For me, it's just that I did for over 40 years, and I played by all the rules of life, and so when I found out there isn't a god, I wish someone had told me like 30 years ago, because it ended up hurting me. I would have been so much better off if an older person had taken me aside 30 years ago and told me, honey, there really isn't a god, unless you get a good lawyer and get your mind around the real situation with your family, no matter what else you do, you will not survive. Granted, people in AA, from day one kept telling my my grandfather was hurting all of us so badly and to get away from him. That's why the therapists have been telling us for 25 years too, but nobody has ever been able to help us do it. I know how to solve the problem, if I could get a good lawyer to prove he is nuts, sue him for all of the abuse, but he has my one sister protecting him, always has us pitted against one another. We would have to be unified to make anything change. It's really about legal actions, I did beat him in court twice already. But, I just hate to see people believe all the god stuff with what I have found out, waste their energy and thoughts and lives on it like I did. It is a total waste of time because there isn't a god. I can't help that, but, I'm always happy to hear that other people are happy and not having to live the way I do. It makes me feel better.
As in religion, the abused (followers) often protects the abuser (God).
Joan W

AOL

#790 Apr 7, 2008
TLJ wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm confused, why can't you get away from him, since you are an adult, without sueing him in court?
Well, how did he get my father so tied to him that he committed suicide at 43? How come my sister and two brothers are so destroyed by him and they can't get away from him? How come none of us have homes, nor ever been married, nor had children? We came from a broken home and had to go live with him. He abused us to death, and when he gets a ahold of someone, you have no idea. The mind is so full of his baloney, he's filthy rich, highly intelligent, very dominating. He's been diagnosed as narcassist and a psychopath. He has all of turned against one another. I'm 51 years old now. I just found out I have breast cancer and other major health problems. He gave my brother and me post-traumatic stress disorder, I haven't been able to drive a car for ten years, haven't been able to even go on a date. My brother has been unemployable since that time, living on welfare for ten years since my grandfather blew his head off. Unless you have been with human evil, you have no idea what this is. Where are we all supposed to go in our 50s with no parents, no spouses, no childen of our own, no money, with all these physical and mental problems he's created. We all need money for everything, we've been starved to death from all of life forever. No man will help me. they all ask me for sex, but no one would ever give me a place to live. I've spent my life living in black neighborhoods and with people on section 8, in latin neighborhoods, I've never had the chance to live in a white neighborhood. I can't cross bridges or drive cause of the anxiety attacks. I've done over 25 years of therapy. What about someone actually stopping him from doing all of this stuff? Every women I met has had a husband helping her. While I worked for 25 years, many women have never even had to work, they own homes from their husbands, I don't have a home. I'm the one who has to exercise and diet and put myself through school at 50, frankly, I don't see another human being working this hard and having this little in their life.
Joan W

AOL

#791 Apr 7, 2008
And, by the way, when he found out I have breast cancer, he pretends I never said it. Not one of my siblings has contacted me. All he cares about is that I can't get home so I can't get him into court and prove he's nuts. He could care less what he has done to my brother, that my brother, who worked all of his life, has been living on 153 a month on welfare for ten years now. You try dealing with someone like this.
Joan W

AOL

#792 Apr 7, 2008
A Formal Satire wrote:
<quoted text>
As in religion, the abused (followers) often protects the abuser (God).
that's the real problem. The man is 94 years old, well out of his mind for decades, but my siblings are such immature idiots, they are helping the abuser abuse them at this point. If I had adult siblings, none of this would have been allowed to go on.
Joan W

AOL

#793 Apr 7, 2008
I'm sure it was god's will for me to be held down like this all my life and end up with cancer instead of being allowed to solve my problems. A good lawyer is the answer. Notice how the 95 year old man is still diving, yet his grandson and granddaughter are too traumatized from him to drive. Notice how the 95 year old man has never been sick a day in his life, he has me with cancer now, my brother is now on 8 psyc meds, my sister is 320 pounds and sick, notice how that works when an evil person beats the crap out of his family members. They don't experience any normal losses in life, all their family members mysteriously get sick and experience the losses a 95 year old person should be having instead.

“xcntrik.wordpres s.com”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#794 Apr 7, 2008
Stupid is a stupid does wrote:
Proce there is a God. Are you breathing? Are you walking? You dumb Ass, why would you think that there is no God? Every morning when you wake this proves that the Sun is part of the creation that was done by God. You need to get a life or a better job, LOSER!
Are you a christian?

Since: Feb 08

Allentown, Pa

#795 Apr 7, 2008
Xcntrik InVidor wrote:
<quoted text>
Drats !
I hate when that happens.
I do have to admit something though, I had stolen the box from you first, so it was your box anyway.
I thought it looked familiar. You stole it and got nothing but the pleasure of a shiny box, I got a quarter. Naanaanaa. Meeting time. Back in an hour.
TLJ

United States

#796 Apr 7, 2008
Stupid is a stupid does wrote:
Proce there is a God. Are you breathing? Are you walking? You dumb Ass, why would you think that there is no God? Every morning when you wake this proves that the Sun is part of the creation that was done by God. You need to get a life or a better job, LOSER!
Wow, there's that Christian attitude we're suppose to display...would you like a Bible to beat him over the head with? Come on, this is why they think we're overbearing air heads. Excuse my sarcasm, but you are the reason we have to fight the stereotypes.

“In the rustling of the leaves”

Since: Dec 07

Washington, D.C.

#797 Apr 7, 2008
Xcntrik InVidor wrote:
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I hold very little respect for anyone who claims to speak for god.
Let me know if you have something credible to provide.
I know what you mean. But does you God aversion prohibit you from considering the ideas presented?
Another thing I wanted to ask you, in particular. So many of the Xtian posters lament the circumstances they encounter in the world. It's almost like they are comparing it to some vague memory of somewhere else. It doesn't seem likely that so many would have an idea of better conditions of existence without something to compare the Here with. I don't know... just a thought.

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