Prove there's a god.

[Shadow Walker]

Ooogah Boogah wrote:

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For centuries man "Just Knew" that heavier objects fall faster than lighter objects. Until someone thought to measure the rate of fall.
You "Just Know" your religion in the same way. You should try reading that bible you are so fond of for yourself. We both know you haven't, you've admitted it before.

Oh yes, I've read it, not cover to cover, but enough to know..........that what I read about is all too real. Yes, I 'just know', and as hard as you find that to deal with, I'm afraid you'll just have to. Am I fond of it, yes, I am. As for 'admitting' that I haven't read it, that is an untruth, as I've read enough of it, to know that what I read of, is a truth, and though you do not, or cannot, comprehend that, I'm afraid that is the way of it, and your denial of it, means that you haven't either, meaning, that you haven't read it at all. I have read much of it, some I've retained, some I will just read again, but nevertheless, I have attained enough learning about the Bible to know that what I read, is the truth, and if you don't believe that, well, I guess you don't, and that's just the way it is. I KNOW, it's the truth, and it's quite evident that you don't believe it, but, that's your opinion, and not mine, for I do know that it is the truth. Sorry little fella, but you cannot change my mind, for I know what I know, and again, tis quite evident that you don't know it, else why would you strive to make me believe you........but alas, you fail, and thus, you have failed in your mission, so fact up to that, for you have no other choice.

[Lil Ticked]

DC tells it like it is wrote:

Funny, we are having this discussion ....while I am reading ...'Zen and the art of Motorcycle Maintenance'.
I am reading the actually book, but after reading the top of chapter three, I took the liberties of locating the book on line.
Here in chapter three, it pretty much covers what we are saying back and forth to one another.
http://www.virtualschool.edu/mon/Quality/Pirs...

Thank you for that . I plan on reading it myself now. Very interesting.

[Ooogah Boogah]

Shadow Walker wrote:

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It is not only a belief, but a fact as well, and I've already learned the difference, have you?
There comes a time when one reaches a plain higher than just a belief, and one finds that there is a higher truth, which is all too real, and a belief becomes knowledge. Yes, there is a difference, and you may learn that someday, perhaps, if you look and try real hard.

Belief: Mental acceptance of a claim as truth.

Fact: Something actual as opposed to invented.

They can not be the same thing. A belief is a mental acceptance. A fact is something actual. A fact can exist whether you believe it or not. A belief can exist whether it is supported by fact or not.

[Ooogah Boogah]

Shadow Walker wrote:

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Oh yes, I've read it, not cover to cover, but enough to know..........that what I read about is all too real. Yes, I 'just know', and as hard as you find that to deal with, I'm afraid you'll just have to. Am I fond of it, yes, I am. As for 'admitting' that I haven't read it, that is an untruth, as I've read enough of it, to know that what I read of, is a truth, and though you do not, or cannot, comprehend that, I'm afraid that is the way of it, and your denial of it, means that you haven't either, meaning, that you haven't read it at all. I have read much of it, some I've retained, some I will just read again, but nevertheless, I have attained enough learning about the Bible to know that what I read, is the truth, and if you don't believe that, well, I guess you don't, and that's just the way it is. I KNOW, it's the truth, and it's quite evident that you don't believe it, but, that's your opinion, and not mine, for I do know that it is the truth. Sorry little fella, but you cannot change my mind, for I know what I know, and again, tis quite evident that you don't know it, else why would you strive to make me believe you........but alas, you fail, and thus, you have failed in your mission, so fact up to that, for you have no other choice.

Socrates made the observation that the first thing a wise man knows ... that it the thing he discovers that makes him wise, is that he knows nothing at all.

You have a long long way to go, you just know far too much.

[Lil Ticked]

Ooogah Boogah wrote:

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Remember to make a distinction between Bible God and any God, then catch my prior post from today, where I proved it again!!

The only thing that I noticed is that I miss all of the good stuff.

[Shadow Walker]

Ooogah Boogah wrote:

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According to you God is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent. Free will can only exist if you have the ability to make a decision that God would not know about in advance. If this is possible, then God is not God.
If such a God were leaving a message for all human kind for now and forever, leaving such an error in the message would be a flaw in the message and in the God.

"Free will can only exist if you have the ability to make a decision that God would not know about in advance. If this is possible, then God is not God"
Sorry, but this is just nonsense. God does give you your free agency, the right to make choices and decisions for yourself. He does know beforehand what these are and what choice you will make, but nonetheless, He gives you that right. If you make a bad choice or decision, then there is a consequence for that action. You will never, make a choice or decision, that God doesn't already know, for He knows all. He reserves that free agency for you, for that is how you learn about life and grow as an individual. by both good and bad choices and decisions. God does not make life's decisions for you, He leaves that up to you.
I know, you find that very hard to believe, but that is the truth of it, and there is nothing you can do about it, for that's the way it is.
God has no flaws, for He is perfect!

[intoxicated]

Are curious really? Just wait until to die or do not wait whatever i think we all will get the answer after we die..

[Shadow Walker]

Ooogah Boogah wrote:

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Belief: Mental acceptance of a claim as truth.
Fact: Something actual as opposed to invented.
They can not be the same thing. A belief is a mental acceptance. A fact is something actual. A fact can exist whether you believe it or not. A belief can exist whether it is supported by fact or not.

How true, God is factual! I know, you cannot comprehend that, but there it is. Yes, God is factual, He is actual, He is there, whether you choose to believe or not. Those so called 'facts' are all around you, but you must be intelligent enough to know what it is that you're looking at. He is not only supported by facts, but He supports you as well. You must know, before you can accept Him, and if you do not know, then you will not accept Him. You, are of the latter, and that be your fault, not His.

[Ooogah Boogah]

Shadow Walker wrote:

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"Free will can only exist if you have the ability to make a decision that God would not know about in advance. If this is possible, then God is not God"
Sorry, but this is just nonsense. God does give you your free agency, the right to make choices and decisions for yourself. He does know beforehand what these are and what choice you will make, but nonetheless, He gives you that right. If you make a bad choice or decision, then there is a consequence for that action. You will never, make a choice or decision, that God doesn't already know, for He knows all. He reserves that free agency for you, for that is how you learn about life and grow as an individual. by both good and bad choices and decisions. God does not make life's decisions for you, He leaves that up to you.
I know, you find that very hard to believe, but that is the truth of it, and there is nothing you can do about it, for that's the way it is.
God has no flaws, for He is perfect!

So then before God created you, he knew in advance every choice you would ever make, because he designed you to make those choices. If he wanted you to make different choices, he would have designed you differently.

So how free is this kind of Free Will? You can not make any decision you were not designed to make. How does it make any kind of sense that you would be punished for making one of these decisions?

Again, free will and an omniscient, omnipotent God can not co-exist.

[Ooogah Boogah]

Shadow Walker wrote:

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How true, God is factual! I know, you cannot comprehend that, but there it is. Yes, God is factual, He is actual, He is there, whether you choose to believe or not. Those so called 'facts' are all around you, but you must be intelligent enough to know what it is that you're looking at. He is not only supported by facts, but He supports you as well. You must know, before you can accept Him, and if you do not know, then you will not accept Him. You, are of the latter, and that be your fault, not His.

Please provide these facts that prove God's existence. Unless you are lying.

I'll wait.

[Commander Johnson]

LOVE

[True Truth]

Christian with Jesus wrote:

<quoted text>Yes, there are. The question, "Which Jesus" is a viable question to ask anyone claiming to follow Jesus Christ.
I am outside of conventional Christianity, therefore I am not an evangelist. I follow what I determine to be the Holy Spirit that Jesus said that He would send to us after He was gone. I do my best and I believe in God as Triune. Father/Son?Holy Spirit.
Not because of old text but because much of what I have heard by sitting in a Fundamental Christian Church rings true within the context of what I have experienced at a spiritual level. It is personal. God is always personal.
Religion attempts to make it corporate but that will never work. We stand alone, as does God and we acn choose to be separate or we can choose to love one another.
Christian with Jesus is a statement of desire. I wish to be with Him. That's all. I love Jesus. I love what He stands for. He stood against religion and so do I.
There are as many versions of Jesus as there are flavors of ice cream. You will not find Him in religion. He is within the Holy Spirit. That is where to look. If you are interested. Read the book of Mathew and the book of Acts and then put the book down. Go into a church and observe all of the broken people. Go into the world and observe all of the broken people. Ask Him into your life. Realize that you are but one human being yet He died for you. Die for Him and set yourself free. Be baptized in water to publicly display your surrender. Come out of the water clean. Pray for the things that your heart is broken for.
You were born an original, don't die a copy.
Eventually you will face the enemy. That is when you will need to find your faith. Read Heb 11;1
Thanks for the question, sorry if I meandered there a litte.
A little! Sheesh CwJ

Thanks for the info. I do not entirely believe what you say since I am muslim. But you are entitled to your opinion. Thanks for sharing.

[True Truth]

Ooogah Boogah wrote:

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Actually, it DOES mean exactly that. If God is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent, then WHY couldn't such a God leave a message that I can understand?? Doesn't he KNOW how??(not omniscient == not God) Did he lack the ability??(not omniscient == not God). Couldn't he leave it where I could find it??(not omnipresent == not God).
You are just going to have to deal with it buddy!!

What were you expecting? Some "Religion for Dummies" or "God for Dummies" book? Texts were revealed to the people at that time. And the people it was revealed so that it could easily be understood by the people at the time. But languages change over the centuries.

This argument you are putting forth, is the equivalent of accusing shakespeare of talking nonsense and asking why he couldn't write stories that are clearly understandable to us.

This is what I find really odd about people like you. When english teachers tell you about how you have to study ancient literature and look at the possible meanings and context etc., then you very easily understand. But when you read ancient religious text, then you adopt this narrow minded view of just reading the words and not looking at context and language difference etc. Why is this so? Is religious text not also ancient?

2000 years is a long time. Languages change. And languages change because societies change. So it is stupid to blame God for your own lack of understanding. Perhaps you should blame all your forefathers for not maintaining the language as per 1 A.D. standards.

God is mysterious and too great for a human to fully understand. You need to deal with that dude. Again I say, just because God doesn't show His omniscience, omnipotence and omniscience in a manner in which YOU understand, does not mean He lacks such things. He owes you nothing.

[True Truth]

pop quiz wrote:

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Still scoffing. Still on a wide road to hell.
Many paths to hell are paved with arrogance. You seem to be using a GPS to hell.

You are soooo no rights counterpart! Someone should introduce you to her. Maybe you two will fall in love and get married!:-D

[Lil Ticked]

True Truth wrote:

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You are soooo no rights counterpart! Someone should introduce you to her. Maybe you two will fall in love and get married!:-D

That's what I said.
:)

[True Truth]

Lil Ticked wrote:

<quoted text>That's what I said.
:)

I think you are right. They must be the same person. Just go on as Pop Quiz in the morning and no rights in the afternoon. Maybe thats why they have just never met.

[Skitz]

Fanatical fred wrote:

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Well I was wondering if i could pick you proffessional brain.
When your dealing with alcohol using clients, what information and advice do you deliver? At what pont would you concider health checks and what specific health checks would you feel are best used?
Given alcohol blood presense, what would you concider a high reading in somebodies blood? And at what levels in the blood are often concidered intoxicating?(give there are fundermental diferences in men and women, and body weight plays a role.). Could you also explane why the diferences of the interaction of alcohol on the female and maele systems.
After you have decided you client is using excessive amounts of alcohol(what are those excessive amount for men and women?) and after the test results are back in your email, what are you looking for specifically, then what further tests are reccomended in the events of problematic test result and also if you could share some of the health implications that would be fantastic. Specifically those heath implications surrounding detox and the drugs used.

Whens Pop Quiz going to answer my alta egos answer?

[Skitz]

dUH Question sorry PQ. But please answer it my fair doctor. I was also wondering if you could please explaine why autism is commonly mis-diagnosed as schizophrinia? What are the difference and what is simular. But the Alcohol Question is better. Look forward to you reply. Thanks :)

[no rights]

I guess the "loving and caring" sky buddy christian god was busy taking a dump when this was going on.

I wonder why the "loving and caring" all powerful sky fairy christian god didn't look out for the CHILD'S ALL IMPoRTANT FREE WILL NOT TO BE ATTACKED?

http://www.wpxi.com/news/18977086/detail.html

PITTSBURGH -- One parent wants the state to step in after his daughter was attacked by a neighbor's pit bull in Homestead on Thursday.

Patrick Flynn said his daughter, Jenna Dunn, 7, was mauled by the dog, causing injuries that required 40 stitches.

"This isn't a dog, it's a monster," Flynn said. "If it's going to attack one kid, it's going to attack somebody else's kid."

The attack happened inside of a home along East 17th Street. The dog's owner, Kelly Gasch, lives across from Jenna's grandmother.

Flynn said Jenna went into an upstairs bedroom with one of Gasch's children and was petting the dog when it turned on her.

Gasch did not answer the door when Channel 11 tried to talk with her on Friday, but her pit bulls were in the front window.

"To let a dog like that be unsupervised is like leaving a gun sitting on a table," said Flynn.

Gasch is well-known to humane officers. They said she has a laundry list of citations involving her dogs that date back several years.

She was given several citations for Thursday's attack, including harboring a dangerous animal.

Because the pit bull is nursing a litter of pups, authorities didn't take the dog.

But humane agents said they're hoping the law comes down hard.

"She was under the watchful eye of the state dog warden and Department of Agriculture in Harrisburg, and if she violates that, they can come in and take the dog," said humane officer Ken Feree.

Flynn said that's the justice his daughter deserves.

"This ain't the same Jenna she was before. It's something no parent wants to see," he said.

[no rights]

"True Truth----I think you are right. They must be the same person"

shock and surprise, you're wrong again.(I know you've heard that before).

"Just go on as Pop Quiz in the morning and no rights in the afternoon"

whatever floats your boat