Prove there's a god.

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#776345 Sep 3, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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No I didn’t you bigoted moron...
When did Stalin convert to atheism? Not seen any documentation on this, have you? Please supply a VALID link
Ahhh... you mean the third hand testimony of some guy trying to save his own balls in exchange for immunity from prosecution when you speak about Hitler’s plan to destroy christianity?
Nope I really don’t like either of them, you know my feelings on thugs (one reason I don’t like you) and murderers. I have no problem with christians, I do have problems with liars (another reason I don’t like you) and unfortunately so many christians happen to be liars. And I have no problem with Jews but I do loath terrorism and the murder of children in the name of religion.
A valid link??

"Valid" to you means a link that doesn't contradict you.

De-classified documents containing thousands of pages of government investigative information-gathering, presented into evidence in court, accepted by an official tribunal in a war-crimes trial is not "valid" to you.

It just doesn't stack up to "Well,...he was never excommunicated...".

That's some big-time perspective you got there, She Goat.

"Baaa" for us.
Huh

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#776346 Sep 3, 2014
Stilgar Fifrawi wrote:
<quoted text>
Stalin's five-year plan to eradicate God from Russia is not proof enough for you?
Stalin set a goal: the name of God should be forgotten on the territory of the whole country to May 1, 1937, the article posted by the Foma website says.
Over 5 million militant atheists were living in the country then. Anti-religious universities – special educational establishments for training people for decisive attack against religion – were organized.
According to the plan on religion liquidation, all churches and prayer houses should have been closed to 1932-1933, all religious traditions implanted by literature and family – to 1933-1934, it was planned that the country, and firstly, youth would be grasped by total anti-religious propaganda to 1934-1935, the last clerics were to eliminated to 1935-1936, the very memory about God should have been disappeared from life to 1937.
http://www.aoiusa.org/blog/atheistic-five-yea...
Aggressive atheists don’t like either Communism or Nazism referenced as atheistic ideologies because it implicates atheism in deaths of millions killed by Communists and Nazis. They go to great lengths to dispute charges including claims that Soviet Communism adulterated Marx (Hitchens) to arguing that the Nazi appropriation of Christian symbols to justify Nazi barbarism proves it was Christian. It’s historical revision of the first order. Historical memory is full of inconvenient truths in a civilization built on the precepts of the Christian faith.
This from the clown who ALWAYS writes, "A blog? I'm supposed to believe a blog?"

Google University is failing you.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#776347 Sep 3, 2014
Stilgar Fifrawi wrote:
<quoted text>
HAHA!
I think you meant taught, not tough. But you're "dyslexic", right?
And how is it you think Hitler insisted that Christianity be taught in ALL schools when Hitler had Christian Bibles removed from schools and replaced with Mein Kampf? Go ahead and explain that one.
Correct, see you can read my spell checker fook ups when you try.

Because it is documented that Hitler insisted that christianity be taught in all schools. The Nazi regime also included anti-Semitic Christian writings in textbooks and they were not removed from Christian doctrines until 1961. Their military uniforms displayed religious symbols such as the swastika and they placed religious sayings on military gear such as the army belt buckle emblazoned with “Gott Mit Uns”. German troops were sprinkled with holy water and listened to sermons by a Catholic priest before going on manoeuvre. The “SS Reich” was charged with investigating heresy of people going against church doctrine.

All documented.

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#776348 Sep 3, 2014
Stilgar Fifrawi wrote:
<quoted text>
Stalin's five-year plan to eradicate God from Russia is not proof enough for you?
Stalin set a goal: the name of God should be forgotten on the territory of the whole country to May 1, 1937, the article posted by the Foma website says.
Over 5 million militant atheists were living in the country then. Anti-religious universities – special educational establishments for training people for decisive attack against religion – were organized.
According to the plan on religion liquidation, all churches and prayer houses should have been closed to 1932-1933, all religious traditions implanted by literature and family – to 1933-1934, it was planned that the country, and firstly, youth would be grasped by total anti-religious propaganda to 1934-1935, the last clerics were to eliminated to 1935-1936, the very memory about God should have been disappeared from life to 1937.
http://www.aoiusa.org/blog/atheistic-five-yea...
Aggressive atheists don’t like either Communism or Nazism referenced as atheistic ideologies because it implicates atheism in deaths of millions killed by Communists and Nazis. They go to great lengths to dispute charges including claims that Soviet Communism adulterated Marx (Hitchens) to arguing that the Nazi appropriation of Christian symbols to justify Nazi barbarism proves it was Christian. It’s historical revision of the first order. Historical memory is full of inconvenient truths in a civilization built on the precepts of the Christian faith.
Yes, you have that.

But She Goat Chistine has an uncorroborated report from Stalin's daughter that he once said Jesus existed, which many atheists agree with, and which nobody else heard him say.

You can't expect to fight back against evidence like that, Stigs.

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#776349 Sep 3, 2014
What God? there are lot kinds of God's people believe in, but surely there is only 1.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#776350 Sep 3, 2014
Cheetah wrote:
<quoted text>
I suppose the atheist's biggest fear is that God might actually exist.
What fear?

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#776351 Sep 3, 2014
Huh wrote:
<quoted text>
This from the clown who ALWAYS writes, "A blog? I'm supposed to believe a blog?"
Google University is failing you.
The writer is correct, Hump.

When did you ever write anything that was correct?

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#776352 Sep 3, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
You're on to something.
"Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door."
-Richard Lewontin; biologist, Marxist, spokesman for evolution.
Yes it’s called guesswork, what most of christian belief is built on so nothing new there.

“Wrath”

Since: Dec 10

Is revenant

#776353 Sep 3, 2014
Cheetah wrote:
<quoted text>
What you fail to mention is that those Founding Fathers were escaping from Europe to America to preserve their freedom of religious practice and belief. They certainly never had atheism or restriction of religion in mind, as you imply.
In fact America was from the beginning, and still is, one of the most Christian majority nations on earth.
Also in Russia the people did not cease to be Christian when the monarchy and aristocracy was overthrown. It was the communist leaders and government which imposed restrictions on religious practice and belief. So you just can't compare the two. In America religious freedom was guaranteed by the Constitution.
John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Alexander Hamilton, John Jay, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and George Washington.
All but Alexander Hamilton was born in America and he was born in the West Indies.
None of them were escaping from Europe to America.
They sought to end the tyrannical rule of the Church if England over America.
America was never founded as a Christian Nation, that is a misconception of Christians.
Even the father of America was a Deist .

The treaty of Tripoli proves this.

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#776354 Sep 3, 2014
Stilgar Fifrawi wrote:
<quoted text>
Stalin's five-year plan to eradicate God from Russia is not proof enough for you?
Stalin set a goal: the name of God should be forgotten on the territory of the whole country to May 1, 1937, the article posted by the Foma website says.
Over 5 million militant atheists were living in the country then. Anti-religious universities – special educational establishments for training people for decisive attack against religion – were organized.
According to the plan on religion liquidation, all churches and prayer houses should have been closed to 1932-1933, all religious traditions implanted by literature and family – to 1933-1934, it was planned that the country, and firstly, youth would be grasped by total anti-religious propaganda to 1934-1935, the last clerics were to eliminated to 1935-1936, the very memory about God should have been disappeared from life to 1937.
http://www.aoiusa.org/blog/atheistic-five-yea...
Aggressive atheists don’t like either Communism or Nazism referenced as atheistic ideologies because it implicates atheism in deaths of millions killed by Communists and Nazis. They go to great lengths to dispute charges including claims that Soviet Communism adulterated Marx (Hitchens) to arguing that the Nazi appropriation of Christian symbols to justify Nazi barbarism proves it was Christian. It’s historical revision of the first order. Historical memory is full of inconvenient truths in a civilization built on the precepts of the Christian faith.
What about the other 69 years... you seem to conveniently forget them

Yes I too have provided links to validated documentation, seems you ignore that to

Please note that the link you provided is that of a blog and therefore cannot really be taken as validated.
Huh

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#776355 Sep 3, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
1. You're on to something.

2. "Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door."


3.-Richard Lewontin;

4. biologist,

5. Marxist,

6. spokesman for evolution.
1. No, he's not.

2. A fine example of quote mining. A short perusal of this:

http://evolutionwiki.org/wiki/Lewontin_on_mat...

...shows that his statements are actually critical of strict materialism. You are nothing if not dishonest but you are probably just lazy and taking Creation Ministries word, at your peril, on such things.

3. You spelled it right

4. A quite learned and highly accomplished biologist.

5. Nope. No evidence of that. Don't bother with any more Creation Ministries quote mines. Besides, Marxism has very specific tenets. Ah, never mind. Wallow in your muck.

6. What does that even mean? He's a biologist. An accomplished, peer-reviewed, published professor. Something you will never be. Your jealousy is only outweighed by your stupidity.

“Wrath”

Since: Dec 10

Is revenant

#776356 Sep 3, 2014
Stilgar Fifrawi wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow. You sort of left out a ton of information there, like Stalin closing, burning or otherwise destroying over 40,000 Christian churches, murdering millions of Christians just because they were Christian, and so on.
But I always forget your thinking, Once Christian Always Christian. Isn't that right, you Christian?
We would have done the same thing here had the churches supported the aristocracy and were the religious monarchy in control. But we has Deism here and independent churches not affiliated with the monarchy .

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#776357 Sep 3, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
A valid link??
"Valid" to you means a link that doesn't contradict you.
De-classified documents containing thousands of pages of government investigative information-gathering, presented into evidence in court, accepted by an official tribunal in a war-crimes trial is not "valid" to you.
It just doesn't stack up to "Well,...he was never excommunicated...".
That's some big-time perspective you got there, She Goat.
"Baaa" for us.
Nope just one that is valid, one that actually means something academically and/or historically unlike the blog that RR juts posted.

I have already explained why your “declassified” docs are under contention but as usual you choose to ignore than and repeat your irrelevance and repeat your irrelevance and repeat your irrelevance and ....

Well he wasn’t excommunicated and still hasn’t been. Perhaps because the catholic authorities have no problem with him being responsible for the death of millions of Jews, after all they were not Catholics were they?

However, a 14 years old girl has been excommunicated for murdering a potential catholic by having an abortion after being gang raped.
Huh

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#776358 Sep 3, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
The writer is correct, Hump.
When did you ever write anything that was correct?
When I wrote that you are a lying moron who is too much if a coward to discuss his beliefs and never offers anything than nattering negativity.

That blog is useless. Like you.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#776359 Sep 3, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, you have that.
But She Goat Chistine has an uncorroborated report from Stalin's daughter that he once said Jesus existed, which many atheists agree with, and which nobody else heard him say.
You can't expect to fight back against evidence like that, Stigs.
Honey, despite his daughter being the child of a vicious murdering despot at least she is not a convicted criminal so I would take her word over yours any day.

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#776360 Sep 3, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
Correct, see you can read my spell checker fook ups when you try.
Because it is documented that Hitler insisted that christianity be taught in all schools. The Nazi regime also included anti-Semitic Christian writings in textbooks and they were not removed from Christian doctrines until 1961. Their military uniforms displayed religious symbols such as the swastika and they placed religious sayings on military gear such as the army belt buckle emblazoned with “Gott Mit Uns”. German troops were sprinkled with holy water and listened to sermons by a Catholic priest before going on manoeuvre. The “SS Reich” was charged with investigating heresy of people going against church doctrine.
All documented.
So what?

THE NAZI MASTER PLAN
Transcribed and annotated by Professor Richard Bonney
CONFIDENTIAL
APPROVED BY THE PROSECUTION REVIEW BOARD
OFFICE OF STRATEGIC SERVICES
Research and Analysis Branch R & A No. 3114.4
THE NAZI MASTER PLAN

Persecution of the Christian churches in Germany proper gave rise to
very special problems. Since Germany was destined to provide the
central force for the coming wars of aggression, it was particularly
necessary that the German people be withdrawn from all influences
hostile to the National Socialist philosophy of aggression. This meant
that the influence of the Christian churches would have to be
minimized as thoroughly as possible. On the other hand, the
predominantly conservative and patriotic influence exerted by the
larger Christian churches was a factor of positive value from the
National Socialist standpoint, and [e]nsured those churches a
substantial measure of support from conservative groups destined to
play an important part in the National Socialist plans for aggression.
Persecution of the Churches in this region therefore had to be effected
in such a way as to minimize their effective influence without breaking
the unity of the German people, and without destroying the capacity of
the churches to fulfil their historic mission of conservative social
discipline. This could only be accomplished, at least in the case of the
major Christian churches, by a slow and cautious policy of gradual
encroachment.

In accordance with this necessity, the Nazi plan was to show first that
they were no foes of the Church, that they were indeed interested in
‘Positive Christianity’, were very good friends of the Churches and did
not at all want to interfere in religious matters or with the internal
affairs of the different denominations. Then under the pretext that the
Churches themselves were interfering in political and state matters,
they would deprive the Churches, step by step, of all opportunity to
affect German public life. The Nazis believed that the Churches could
be starved and strangled spiritually in a relatively short time when they
were deprived of all means of communication with the faithful beyond
the Church building[s] themselves, and terrorized in such a manner
that no Churchman would dare to speak out openly against Nazi
policies.
Huh

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#776361 Sep 3, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
You're on to something.
"Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door."
-Richard Lewontin; biologist, Marxist, spokesman for evolution.
Look, Lewontiin arguing not supporting Marxism and actually arguing against it.

I know nuance escapes you.

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/1990...

“Ditat Deus”

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#776362 Sep 3, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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Ding, ding,...ding!
You nailed it.
It's the NAS Reverse-Wedge-Strategy:
There are two kinds of facts -
1. facts
2. that which we will not let you question.
Yep. If we don't follow what the National Academy of Sciences has to say, we must be "kooky" Christians. Even if the NAS is wrong, they're right.

I mean, how dare we question science? Unless of course it's Christian Science, then ya. Question it all day long. But NEVER question atheist science. Ever.

These people take up so much of their time arguing that which they claim doesn't even exist.

http://books.nap.edu/html/11876/SECbrochure.p...

It's bizarre.

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#776363 Sep 3, 2014
Huh wrote:
<quoted text>1. No, he's not.
2. A fine example of quote mining. A short perusal of this:
http://evolutionwiki.org/wiki/Lewontin_on_mat...
...shows that his statements are actually critical of strict materialism. You are nothing if not dishonest but you are probably just lazy and taking Creation Ministries word, at your peril, on such things.
3. You spelled it right
4. A quite learned and highly accomplished biologist.
5. Nope. No evidence of that. Don't bother with any more Creation Ministries quote mines. Besides, Marxism has very specific tenets. Ah, never mind. Wallow in your muck.
6. What does that even mean? He's a biologist. An accomplished, peer-reviewed, published professor. Something you will never be. Your jealousy is only outweighed by your stupidity.
He's actually a geneticist.

He's also a Marxist.

I apologize for the quote mining. I didn't have space to write everything the man ever said in his life.

The quote I provided came from a blurb he wrote for a book, and I have previously posted it in its entirety.

So we will excuse you now whilst you go fuck yourself.

“Ditat Deus”

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#776364 Sep 3, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
Correct, see you can read my spell checker fook ups when you try.
Because it is documented that Hitler insisted that christianity be taught in all schools. The Nazi regime also included anti-Semitic Christian writings in textbooks and they were not removed from Christian doctrines until 1961. Their military uniforms displayed religious symbols such as the swastika and they placed religious sayings on military gear such as the army belt buckle emblazoned with “Gott Mit Uns”. German troops were sprinkled with holy water and listened to sermons by a Catholic priest before going on manoeuvre. The “SS Reich” was charged with investigating heresy of people going against church doctrine.
All documented.
Okay.

Where's YOUR valid link to support your claims?

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