Prove there's a god.

Since: Sep 10

Manhattan Beach, CA

#773495 Aug 25, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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Really?
Tell me more about prison.
I do know quite a bit about prisons--just not from your end of things. I go voluntarily and never stay overnight....

Since: Sep 10

Manhattan Beach, CA

#773496 Aug 25, 2014
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>hahahahahaha
And hohohohoho back atcha. All fixed, with a little help from my friends.

Since: Jan 11

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#773497 Aug 25, 2014
scaritual wrote:
Just yours, not theirs.
I get it.
So when you said...
Joyful8118 wrote: They are all the same Creator.
You didn't mean *all* of them.
You just meant the Yahweh!/Jesus!/holy spirit! trio.
I think she's trying to steal all deity beliefs and claim them for her own.

That's not terribly uncommon. I've seen apologists use a similar tactic.

"You agree with me, you just don't know it."

Since: Apr 14

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#773498 Aug 25, 2014
Just Think wrote:
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oh goodie - this will be fun!
So of all the gods ever worshipped by man, which ones are the false idols and which are all just different versions/names of the one god that is real?
Go.
I can't do all the work for you. Go find that out for yourself.
Anon

Lakewood, OH

#773499 Aug 25, 2014
Anon wrote:
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Oh yeah? Let's see if you can get through this.
He starts singing (some might call it that) about a minute into it.
Forgot the damn link.

https://m.youtube.com/watch...

Since: Sep 11

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#773500 Aug 25, 2014
Stilgar Fifrawi wrote:
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Agreed. Well said.
First we would need a nationwide team of people assigned to each prison that can differentiate the "regular Joe's" in prison, compared to the career criminals that will try and fool the system.
But we can't stop at just the prisons, we would have to evaluate the convicted criminals in county jails. A lot of times the career criminal starts with something minor, like car theft or drug trafficking, and they step it up to something bigger like check fraud, drug manufacturing, etc. Indigo even bigger to things like rape, murder, home invasion, thank robbery, etc.
So how do we go about doing that?
I'm not so sure that's something that's possible to do; additionally, I don't think it's necessary or fair to try and divine the future criminal activities of every inmate. I think that rehabilitation with the goal of becoming a productive member of society should be an option for every inmate until they prove themselves definitively beyond help, and even then, I don't think that we should simply lock said criminals up and forget about them. Lose their chance to return to society, sure, but no matter how vile their crimes, they are still human and deserve some base level of care, if only to make the lives of their fellow inmates and the correctional officers easier.

I think that education, therapy, and employment opportunities along with other rehabilitation services would go a long way to lowering our nationwide recidivism rate. How exactly this would be implemented is obviously a difficult question that would involve many programs both inside and outside of prison (in other words, people smarter than I can come up with the specifics).

Since: Jan 11

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#773501 Aug 25, 2014
Stilgar Fifrawi wrote:
I'd call it gnostic atheism, which can't exist.
I wouldn't, and disagree.
Take your query to IANS, he's the one that says "your god doesn't exist"....
I didn't have a query.

Check in with Buck to see what your latest thoughts are.

Since: Sep 11

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#773502 Aug 25, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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I had a buddy get 10 years for selling 3 Lortabs.
His brother traded pot to his niece for sex and got 6 months.
It was a rough family.
Absurd drug laws in this country.

“I love Jesus”

Since: Dec 08

Heaven, but Earthbound for now

#773503 Aug 25, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Thanks for that. Did you have a point to go with it? Are you suggesting that atheism causes autism?
No, atheism does not cause autism. Did you read at all? You were talking about how Christianity impedes learning and I was pointing out that autistic children have difficulties with learning because of their disorder, yet many of the higher functioning autistic people are atheist because they cannot reason and they only think concrete. Meaning, these people cannot think the way other people do and they choose to be atheist.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#773504 Aug 25, 2014
timn17 wrote:
The "deterrent" is the threat of sitting in a prison cell for the rest of your life until you are executed. There aren't many things much worse than that that we could feasibly implement and still pass the "cruel and unusual" check found in the bill of rights. What would you suggest as an effective deterrent?
Keep in mind, there are plenty of places around the world where, when the death penalty is still around, it is implemented faster and is doled out for lesser offenses, such as drug trafficking or even possession in some cases. If deterrents worked, why do we still have people committing crimes that can lead to their execution?
Even the harshest of criminals don't sit in a prison cell for all their days. Even they get recreation time. At some prisons, lifers even get rehab training. WTF?

It isn't cruel and unusual punishment to not give inmates access to the internet, cable tv or hot coffee. They're there for punishment, not vacation.

Cruel and unusual would be things like not feeding them, not giving them basic medical care (sex change operations shouldn't count), making them sleep on cold, damp floors, giving them nothing to do, etc. For free people, cable and internet access is something we have to pay for but inmates get it free?! WTF?

A harsher sentence doesn't just mean a quick death penalty or longer sentences. It means restricted access to everything, including frivolous things like (again) cable and internet. I watched a show on TV about inmates, saw this lifer that had a TV in his cell, a coffee pot and 'illegal' porn. Why the hell does the prison staff allow that? Most definitely there are some criminals where no threat of penalty will deter them from crime. But for the other less dangerous criminals, the threat of a longer sentence or shitty prison standards might make them change their minds about committing the crime.

Since: Sep 11

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#773505 Aug 25, 2014
Joyful8118 wrote:
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Nope, God/The Creator created all life, which made it possible for our Mothers to give birth to us.
I am sharing information that I know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, Just because you fail or refuse to connect with God and see the truth doesn't make it incorrect. Yes, you are right, there is a difference. I know God exists and that he created life and you believe that he doesn't and that he didn't.:) Yes, again you are right. The truth is that God exists and that he created life and your belief is that he doesn't exist and that he didn't create life. I have been shown the truth/proof. You refuse to seek the truth/proof. No, I am on the knowledge and truth/proof side and you are on the belief side. What I say is honest. Thank you. HAG&WD.
I would call you a poe, but I know better by now. Some people really do think like this. You "know" this based on faith alone, and that is no way to determine truth.

I could use exactly the same argument to "prove" the existence of a dragon god.

Since: Jan 11

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#773506 Aug 25, 2014
Stilgar Fifrawi wrote:
Married bachelors, tacos that type and gnostic atheists can't exist.
So you don't exist now.
Things that can't exist don't exist. You believe in something that can't exist. What you believe in doesn't exist.

I'm sorry that you are so inept that you cannot understand that, but this is your failing, not mine.

Since: Sep 11

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#773507 Aug 25, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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I deprived a lot of dope dealers' clients of their services.
If I didn't have the money to buy, I just took their shit.
They couldn't whip me and they couldn't out-run me.
They could shoot me, which they did. Twice.
So you were like an Omar who kept the drugs for himself. Lol.

(From the show The Wire)

Since: Sep 11

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#773509 Aug 25, 2014
scaritual wrote:
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Agreed.
And when all else fails, just abandon the bible for all practical purposes, say you know it's flawed, but still claim you know the gods contained therein are real.
Why?
<Christian that isn't a Christian but is> "I really know, I just know that I really know..you know?"
Yep. What's the bible compared to a personal relationship with your ego-jesus?

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's teapot

#773510 Aug 25, 2014
Anon wrote:
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Forgot the damn link.
https://m.youtube.com/watch...
OKAY, yeah. I'm not even going to wait for the singing.

That's a rare occurrence.

www.youtube.com/watch... whew...

All better now.

Since: Sep 11

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#773511 Aug 25, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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If you want to know anything about how a criminal thinks, I can answer.
The only thing that turned me from a life of crime was when I accepted I was going to die, very soon, and very violently, and that only a couple of people would care.
I asked for an intervening god to be there. None was there. No Christian was there, no church was there. I was less than a stranger to them.
I found there was something in me that was good and worth saving.
Yeah, laws are meaningless to an addict, change has to come from the inside. Good that you came to that conclusion and made a change, topix truly wouldn't be the same without the antics of Buck.

Since: Jan 11

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#773512 Aug 25, 2014
It's relevant because many Christians believe that their God puts people in hell for eternity to suffer.
Stilgar Fifrawi wrote:
So? Many atheists think the same thing.
Atheists don't believe in gods.
Y'all are wrong.
Your faith based belief stands opposed to the faith based beliefs of other Christians.

The Bible is inconsistent poetry that must be believed by faith. This kind of thing is to be expected.

Since: Jan 11

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#773513 Aug 25, 2014
timn17 wrote:
1. When I have questions, concerns, or would like insight on a matter, God speaks to me through the Bible. What he shows me is always perfectly suited to my question, and a better, more satisfying answer than I expected. Here's an example.
I then opened my Bible and immediately read where Jesus was talking with a man who was blind. Jesus was asking him, "What do you want me to do for you?"
That's it, I'm converting. With evidence like this, how could I not?
Wouldn't you like to see some swatches first?

Christianity comes in many, many different designs. You should pick the variety that best suits your lifestyle and existing furniture.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's teapot

#773514 Aug 25, 2014
Tide with Beach wrote:
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I think she's trying to steal all deity beliefs and claim them for her own.
That's not terribly uncommon. I've seen apologists use a similar tactic.
"You agree with me, you just don't know it."
Yeah, a "universal" Yahwist, with a touch of the unintelligible reasoning that just comes out sounding completely confused(as if it could be any worse).

Since: Sep 11

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#773515 Aug 25, 2014
Joyful8118 wrote:
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I am sharing information that I know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, Just because you fail or refuse to connect with God and see the truth/proof doesn't make it incorrect. Yes, there is a difference. I know/have gained proof that God exists and that he created life and you believe that he doesn't and that he didn't. The truth/proof is that God exists and that he created life and your belief is that he doesn't exist and that he didn't create life. I have been shown the truth/proof. You refuse to seek the truth/proof. No, I am on the knowledge and truth/proof side and you are on the belief side. Thank you. HAG&WD.
"God is real because I know he's real. My proof of his existence is that I know he exists."

You can't make this stuff up.

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