Prove there's a god.

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Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#773180 Aug 25, 2014
Susie D wrote:
<quoted text>Just wondering, does this apply when atheist lie to promote their beliefs? Is it then atheist taqiyya?
You are using an Islamic term as a way to insult Christians and I am not saying it is right to lie, because it is not even of the "means justifies the end." However, there is not a single person on this earth who has not lied before.. Not one.. Atheist lie to justify what they feel is the good in the end; atheist taqiyya.
You are also using a wiki site as your information source written by an atheist to attack Christians, which is a form of dishonesty.
Taqiyya is an Islamic term used for protection… believing individual can deny his faith or commit otherwise illegal or blasphemous acts while they are at risk of significant persecution.
Don't get your scarf in a knot. At least I didn't call you a jihadi terrorist, there's only one Xian on here that is no better than them.

If you think my link is so biased, then put up a few of your own. Just not Conservapedia, PLEASE.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#773181 Aug 25, 2014
sweets2360 wrote:
<quoted text>
This is the definition of infinite and it is just as simple as I stated a couple of days ago.
Definition of infinite (adj)
Bing Dictionary
in·fi·nite
[ínf&#601;nit ]
1.not measurable: without any finite or measurable limits
2.exceedingly great: very great in size, number, degree, or extent
3.greater than any assigned value: greater in number, size, or scope than any arbitrarily assigned value
synonyms: immeasurable · endless · countless · unlimited · inestimable · vast
Thanks, Sweets. Agreed. Infinite in the mathematical sense is not an amount. It is the condition of being unlimited.

Since: May 09

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#773182 Aug 25, 2014
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>
Buck Crick is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =sfv3kBzJZgUXX
www.youtube.com/watch...

Since: May 09

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#773183 Aug 25, 2014
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
In response too...
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...
Check this out, 8118...
8 + 1 + 1 + 8 = 18
"18" is a "1" followed by an "8"... and 1 + 8 = 9.
Intriguing!
81 x 18 = 1,458
1 + 4 + 5 + 8 = 18... 1 + 8 still = 9
8,118 / 2 = 4,059.
4 + 0 + 5 + 9 = 18... and 1 + 8 still = 9
And...
8,118 / 11 = 738... 7 + 3 + 8 = 18... and 1 + 8 still = 9
And...
8,118 / 22 = 369... 3 + 6 + 9 = 18... and 1 + 8 still = 9
Wow! Nine keeps popping up.
Maybe I'll just start calling you "Number 9".
But wait, there's more!
All the following numbers can be divided evenly into 8,118...
1, 2, 3, 6, 9, 11, 18, 22, 33, 41, 66, 82, 99, 123, 198, 246, 369, 451, 738, 902, 1353, 2706, 4059, and of course, 8118.
If we sum all those divisors together, we get 19,656
1 + 9 + 6 + 5 + 6 = 27... and 2 + 7 = 9
Too Freaky! Let's investigate further.
81 + 18 = 99... and 9 x 9 = 81... and 9 + 9 = 18
That's so kewel!
3 can be divided into 9... 3 times.
9 - 3 = 6... and if 9 is turned upside down, it's a 6 anyway.
6 + 6 + 6 = 18... and 1 + 8 still = 9
6 x 6 x 6 = 216... 2 + 1 + 6 = 9 as well.
Now we're getting somewhere! 666 is "one of those numbers"... if ya know what I mean.
81 x 666 = 53,946
5 + 3 + 9 + 4 + 6 = 27... and 2 + 7 still = 9
18 x 666 = 11,988
1 + 1 + 9 + 8 + 8 = 27 too... and 2 + 7 still = 9
8,118 x 666 = 5,406,588
5 + 4 + 0 + 6 + 5 + 8 + 8 = 36... and 3 + 6 also = 9
Here's where is gets really unreal...
"P" is the 16th letter of the alphabet.
"O" is the 15th.
"E" is the 5th.
16 + 15 + 5 = 36... and 3 + 6 still = NINE!
What does all that mean?
NOTHIN'!
But you'll still manage to be insulted by it.
HAG&WD
www.youtube.com/watch...

Since: May 09

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#773184 Aug 25, 2014
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>Hey! I'm good, in spite of it's being hot enough to fry snakes on the sidewalk. And this after the weatherman said it's been an unusually cool summer for this area. Too bad I didn't do video of the hummingbird food boiling up out of the feeder. I would never have believed it if I hadn't seen it.
Maybe it was a flaw in the design?:-/
Yeah, that's what I'm going with, no scorched Earth omens here, huh uh, no way!

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#773185 Aug 25, 2014
Susie D wrote:
You and every atheist on this forum judge Christianity for what the bad apples have caused rather than what it really stands for.
What do you think Christianity "really stands for"? Is that different from what it actually is?

Since: May 10

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#773186 Aug 25, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
Conclusion as in a certain and immutable idea, or as in a tentative idea amenable to revision pending new evidence? I'm not sure that the latter should be called a conclusion as much as a working hypothesis.
Your idea of agnosticism seem to be a state of having no opinions about what is likely to be true concerning gods. That's not how I use the word. To me, agnosticism is no more or less than the state of being less than certain about the possibility of gods. I'm pretty sure that my position qualifies.
That isn't agnosticism, and your position does not qualify.

Agnosticism is when you ask a person what they think about the existence of god, and they answer "I don't know, and nobody knows".

Every atheist, if answering truthfully, would say, "I don't think god exists".

That would include you.

Since: May 10

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#773187 Aug 25, 2014
Double Fine wrote:
<quoted text>
If we do another person a kindness, what difference does it make whether it makes the charitable person feel good. I was very proud the day I could hand my sister a nice little Opel Corsa. Does it somehow change the fact that she received a car and can go wherever she wishes with it? Is it wrong to give gifts because one likes to do that? Also, when I am at a restaurant, I believe the tip rae is is 10%. If the waiter gives anything more, I will give him or her a few percent on top of that. In that case, I don't believe any charity is involved. They went an extra mile and I thanked them for it. It does not give me a kick. I do it, because I know how hard they work and how ungrateful customers can be. In either scenario, is giving that which is unexpected at all bad, or not morally good?
Morals should be judged by a standard, not whether the deed is rewarding or not.
Whatever.

It was IANS' idea, not mine. I wasn't agreeing with it. I was pointing out the difficulties with such reasoning.

But you probably wouldn't understand.

Since: Apr 14

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#773188 Aug 25, 2014
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
You've got Heracles, Mithras, Adonis, Attis, and a whole slew of others, plus the Jesus!, who were all alleged to have been fathered or birthed by the "gods". They were demi gods. Man-gods.
I'm just taking your statement to its natural conclusion, based upon the history of the "gods". Or the one deity, as you've put it.
Joyful8118 wrote: One Creator. They are all the same Creator.
I suspect that's unless or until it clashes with a belief that just has to be preserved.
If it's the one and same "creator" for all, then I have to think you mean all of the gods worshiped. That means those man/son/god stories get tacked on to your current deity belief too.
Joyful8118 wrote: One Creator. They are all the same Creator.
Surely you have to accept those "offspring deities" - just like the Jesus!, but not - as real too.
Or, are you saying that only the deity you believe in, is or was real, and all of those others were not, and that you fortuitously happened to grow up to worship the real one true deity?
That's what pretty much all of the deity worshipers say, no?
One Creator. ONE.

Since: Aug 14

Peakhurst, Australia

#773189 Aug 25, 2014
Apocalypse666 wrote:
Come on and do it.
Prove there's a god.
Don;t read off scripture or anything like that just prove there's a god.
there just is

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#773190 Aug 25, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
Your reasoning would apply likewise to any sense of reward, whether from somebody else or not. If an atheist's act is rewarding to him, it would not be a moral good.
That's your reasoning, not mine. If I wasn't clear enough the first time, I have since clarified what I meant by reward: external reward.

"Reward - a thing given in recognition of one's service, effort, or achievement."

"Reward - something given or received in return or recompense for service, merit, hardship, etc."

You want to impose a meaning of the word "reward" onto my claim that I have told you was not the one I intended, and argue against that. I'm not interested in that argument.

Since: Apr 14

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#773191 Aug 25, 2014
Hmmmm, I wonder why I want to home-school my kids. Damn freakin bullies and kids who talk/curse like they haven't been taught manners and respect!! And my Kindergartner gets to learn so much of this BS from these other "children." I'm freakin over this BS!!

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#773192 Aug 25, 2014
700 posts over the weekend...

700 posts behind....

Ugh

Since: May 10

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#773193 Aug 25, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Disagree. The path is infinite.
We're both just repeating ourselves now. You say that the path is finite and imaginary, and I say the opposite. I think this has been played out.
Right, we are repeating - I'm repeatedly right and you're repeatedly wrong.

Proof the path is imaginary is that we have to imagine it or it doesn't exist. Even if we have a donut in front of us.

Proof the path is finite is that every progression along the path has a finite value, and always will.

If the path is traversed until the universe burns up, the distance will be finite.

If you traversed the path at the speed of light, the distance of the path would be finite. Always.

If a collection of the same type of donuts stretched from here to the edge of the galaxy, and each had such a path that was being traversed around the donut at the speed of light, the total of all the paths would be,...finite.

But then you would say, "Well, but the path doesn't stop".

Fine, it doesn't stop. But neither do the corresponding finite values at every instant.

Physical reality rules out infinity.

(This is an irrefutable law)

Nothing can both be and not be at the same time and in the same respect. No physical entity can be "equal to", and "less than", and "greater than" in respect to the same quantity at the same time.

Infinity in physical reality is a self-contradiction.

Since: Jun 14

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#773194 Aug 25, 2014

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#773195 Aug 25, 2014
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
"The teaching that there is an eternal hell in which hordes of mankind will suffer eternal punishment can be a difficult doctrine to accept. We hear so much about God's infinite love and how He desires that all men be saved (1 Tim. 2:4). However, those who develop their theologies based upon the "gentle" side of God do so with an incomplete picture. Not only is God loving (1 John 4:8-10), gracious (Exodus 33:19; 1 Pet. 2:3), and merciful (Exodus 34:6; Psalm 67:1; James 5:11) but also He is holy (Isaiah 6:3; Rev. 4:8), just (Neh. 9:32-33; 2 Thess. 1:6), and hates sin (Psalm 5:5-6; Hab. 1:13). God punishes the sinner (Jer. 50:31; Ezekiel 44:12; Matt. 25:46; 2 Thess. 1:9; 2 Pet. 2:9; Heb. 10:29).
The Bible teaches that there is a fiery hell, a place that Jesus warned people about.
"And if your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; it is better for you to enter life crippled or lame, than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the eternal fire." (Matt. 18:8).1
Eternal fire is real. Jesus said it was"
http://carm.org/hell-eternal
"In his contribution to the book in Two Views of Hell, Robert Peterson sets forth ten passages that as part of the “overwhelming evidence” to support the historical interpretation of hell as everlasting punishment."
http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintay...
"The doctrine of eternal punishment was taught by Jesus Christ (who said more about hell than heaven), it was acknowledged by the early church, it was endorsed by the “church fathers”(Buis 1957, 53-67), and it was defended by the theologians of the Middle Ages and the Reformation period. However, beginning with the eighteenth century a new wave of “clergymen” within the ranks of “Christendom” began to deny this fundamental tenet of biblical doctrine, and today a significant segment of American society (almost half) no longer believes in hell.
Further, the evidence is mounting that there is a weakening posture on this theme within the church. It is time that faithful gospel preachers give more diligence to teaching the truth regarding eternal retribution. Ignoring the truth changes no reality."
https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/95-...
They disagree with you and it appears they find ample support for "eternal hell and punishment" theology.
It just goes to show that Christians can get the bible to say whatever they want it to say.
Scare tactics, nothing more. Like the WBC can "prove" the Bible says that God hates gays...

They can say it, they can preach it, but they're wrong.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#773196 Aug 25, 2014
Joyful8118 wrote:
Very interesting conversation you and Ruth are having. I have read Ruth's next reply and am looking forward to your answer. She makes a good point. If they just "exist no more," then what is the suffering that is talked about?
This is lengthy, but if read and studied, you'll have your answers:

http://www.remnantofgod.org/hellfire.htm

Since: May 10

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#773197 Aug 25, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Thanks, Sweets. Agreed. Infinite in the mathematical sense is not an amount. It is the condition of being unlimited.
It is an imaginary mathematical term for comparison of limits.

Difficulties arise when people begin to think an imaginary entity is real.

You have some experience in combating this error on other subjects.

Atheists combat this problem with specific deities, i.e., the "Christian god".

As a theist, I combat the atheist's rejection of self-contradictory concepts with one hand while they embrace self-contradictory concepts with the other hand.

Examples are physical infinities when used for black holes, singularities, expanse of the universe, event horizons, and all such blatant nonsense.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#773198 Aug 25, 2014
River Tam wrote:
I always give my opponents the option of bowing out before engagement.
I'm good at what I do.
I thought you said 'blowing'.

I read too fast sometimes...

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#773199 Aug 25, 2014
Stilgar Fifrawi wrote:

"Your god does not exist" is not a lack of belief, it's a belief based on faith.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Holding that idea is not what makes me an atheist. My atheism is is independent of that idea.
Furthermore, I arrived at that conclusion by means of a soundly reasoned argument, not faith.
Hey it's your belief. I ain't gonna knock you for it.

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