Prove there's a god.

Since: Jun 14

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#772980 Aug 24, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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No, the faithful are quite adept at that.
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Better? I think that I have a better worldview and a better set of ethical values than somebody informed by Christianity. A secular worldview is more accurate, and rational ethics are more conducive to a better life for all.
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You're referring to a lifetime worth of experience and the insights I've drawn from it. My Topix experience has shown me better than anything else I have ever done what the difference is between Christian style faith based thinking and reason based thinking.
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That is not what I am saying. What I am saying is that faith impedes learning to the extent that it affects thought. Those that can compartmentalize faith during their educations can do as well as those not burdened with it. Those who filter their teacher's and textbook's words through the lens of faith will reject or distort that which contradicts their faith based beliefs.
You seem to think one of faith is just looking for God and is therefor discreditable, when they should be looking at science as a tool to further their faith.
Science is a great tool.
One should see it as a way of furthering communication between the two. I don't think it's as much as them not believing in science as it is them having faith in God.
I am sure they're are some notable religious astronomers and physics right? That have it down to just as much science as not, wouldn't you?
And they are, they don't let faith blind them, that's why they be notable.

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

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#772981 Aug 24, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Apparently, you can just walk out of there:
"A man who escaped from the Marion Adjustment Center in September is back in custody. More than a month after William Paul Monroe walked away, he was caught Thursday. The Lebanon Enterprise reports the 30-year-old walked away on September 30."
http://www.lex18.com/news/marion-adjustment-c...
"The Kentucky State Police are trying to locate a Middlesboro, Ky. man that walked away from the Marion Adjustment Center on Tuesday, May 29 at around 1:30 a.m."
http://www.whas11.com/news/Marion-Co-inmate-w...
I thought it would seem more dramatic to say "escaped" rather than "walked away".

More like a McGuyver thing.
atheism is destructive

Alabaster, AL

#772982 Aug 24, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I think you have to know how to make prayer work for you:
"When I was a little boy, I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized, the Lord, in his wisdom, doesn't work that way. So I just stole one and asked Him to forgive me." - Emo Philips
Again, evidence that atheists think in evil terms and act out crimes due to their selfishness and personal agendas.

Thanks for sharing one of your sources of ignorance with us. No wonder you atheists are confused and angry.

I see you still have to be in a support group to maintain your ignorant atheism. It proves atheism is a religion.
atheism is destructive

Alabaster, AL

#772983 Aug 24, 2014
curiouslu wrote:
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No, prayer does not work.
http://i.imgur.com/hF7yxf0.jpg
You are a liar. Prayer does work as I've seen it work. Refrain from being dishonest.

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

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#772984 Aug 24, 2014
Susie D wrote:
<quoted text>Science never agrees anyway. They do not even agree with themselves.
Albert Einstein first predicated black holes.
Karl Schwarzschild defined a black hole
Simon Pierre LaPlace Relativity expert who and now Einstein opposed his own black hole theory.
John Wheeler uses term black hole
1970 Stephen Hawking’s Defined modern theory of black holes
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2014 Stephen Hawking’s now says,“There are no black holes”
Not only do black holes not exist, they cannot exist.
atheism is destructive

Alabaster, AL

#772985 Aug 24, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Prayers are ignored.
Your religion of atheism forces you to make lies like this.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#772986 Aug 24, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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You just argued that an actual infinity cannot exist, but does exist.
If a completed infinity cannot exist, a potential infinity cannot exist.
There is no potential for something that cannot exist.
You are infinitely lost.
Solid admantium head.
The question remains unresolved, whether something can be truly infinite.
So the argument is really that something infinite cannot be entirely measured.
You would never be able to show it was infinite, because all you can do is measure parts of it.
But you can (underscore can) measure parts of an infinite sum, you could never measure it's entirety.*(The correct symbol will not work in topix so 8 is the symbol.)

Since you could literally spend hundreds of generations to even hundreds of millions of generations of Bucks , counting an infinity.

The symbol 8 called "infinity", denotes an unsigned infinite limit. X -----> 8
means that the magnitude [X] of X grows beyond any assigned value.

This means we know it is ever increasing and is unbounded, effectively potentially infinite in extent.
So we wont have to count for hundreds of generations or endure millions of generations of Bucks.
All counting.... while denying infinity.

Since: Dec 12

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#772987 Aug 24, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>I think you have to know how to make prayer work for you:

"When I was a little boy, I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized, the Lord, in his wisdom, doesn't work that way. So I just stole one and asked Him to forgive me." - Emo Philips
"You are choking.
I have two choices...
1. I perform the heimlich manoeuvre?
Or,
2. I pray for you?
Which do you want me to do?
- Lawrence Krauss"

http://i.imgur.com/5YcwG5E.jpg

I'd pick the first option.

Since: Jun 14

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#772988 Aug 24, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Apparently, you can just walk out of there:
"A man who escaped from the Marion Adjustment Center in September is back in custody. More than a month after William Paul Monroe walked away, he was caught Thursday. The Lebanon Enterprise reports the 30-year-old walked away on September 30."
http://www.lex18.com/news/marion-adjustment-c...
"The Kentucky State Police are trying to locate a Middlesboro, Ky. man that walked away from the Marion Adjustment Center on Tuesday, May 29 at around 1:30 a.m."
http://www.whas11.com/news/Marion-Co-inmate-w...
I was there when they both ran. I know the one from middlesboro on the streets. They caught him in middlesboro in the truck he stole, which was right next to the prison. He is at the pink palace now I think. Eastern Kentucky Correctional Complex.

Since: Dec 12

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#772989 Aug 24, 2014
atheism is destructive wrote:
<quoted text>You are a liar. Prayer does work as I've seen it work. Refrain from being dishonest.
http://youtu.be/-uUNgG_qAE0

Dishonesty is when people say stuff what's not true. Dishonesty is not when people say stuff what you don't like.

Prayer does not work. You have not seen it work.

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Manhattan Beach, CA

#772990 Aug 24, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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"Atheist".
You are skirting the issue by phrasing your position as "not positively asserting that no god exists".
This avoids the crux of the matter, which is belief.
Anyone who "believes" that no god exists, if judicious, will not assert positively that no god exists, because this implies certainty of knowledge. Belief is not certain knowledge.
My assessment is that you believe, or are convinced, that no god exists. But you refrain from exaggerating this to imply that you possess certainty of knowledge that it is, in fact, the case that no god exists.
It is a testament to intellectual honesty that you refrain from the certainty of knowledge claim. But I think the categorization of this view to something other than atheism is,...dare I say,...pedantic.
You are a plain ole' atheist, I-man. At least this is my belief.
Hey Susie, this is what drove me crazy.

The torture of having something repeated endlessly.

And Buck, does endlessly = infinitely?

Since: Apr 09

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#772991 Aug 24, 2014
atheism is destructive wrote:
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You are a liar. Prayer does work as I've seen it work. Refrain from being dishonest.
When it works, god answered your prayers. When it doesn't work, god didn't answer your prayers because...um...he has his reasons. Yeah....that's it.

Such a con job religious people fall for.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#772992 Aug 24, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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If you are going to claim that "potential infinity" is a legitimate term, you cannot reject a term that distinguishes infinity from potential infinity.
You can choose "completed infinity", or "actual infinity", or create a term that means the same thing.
To accept one and reject the other is incoherent. You are trying to rig the game.
Look Mr. Finitism, I didn't invent any of this. You can blame Newton for x->0, x=infinity), Leibniz, Cantor and a host of others for coming up with these solutions, all I did was learn them in Physics class.

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

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#772993 Aug 24, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Solid admantium head.
The question remains unresolved, whether something can be truly infinite.
So the argument is really that something infinite cannot be entirely measured.
You would never be able to show it was infinite, because all you can do is measure parts of it.
But you can (underscore can) measure parts of an infinite sum, you could never measure it's entirety.*(The correct symbol will not work in topix so 8 is the symbol.)
Since you could literally spend hundreds of generations to even hundreds of millions of generations of Bucks , counting an infinity.
The symbol 8 called "infinity", denotes an unsigned infinite limit. X -----> 8
means that the magnitude [X] of X grows beyond any assigned value.
This means we know it is ever increasing and is unbounded, effectively potentially infinite in extent.
So we wont have to count for hundreds of generations or endure millions of generations of Bucks.
All counting.... while denying infinity.
The question is resolved. The infinite cannot exist.

It's not a matter of taking too long to count. We know that the counting always yields a finite.

...and after that, another finite...and so on.

Always.

Infinity is ruled out of physical existence.

I know this is a struggle for you. You want to believe the theorists when they draw arrows and have the figure 8 laying flat, and talk about singularities and black holes.

The child in you is desperate to believe.

Face life, young Skywalker.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#772994 Aug 24, 2014
Tinka wrote:
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Minds to Religious belief 95 percent of the worlds population believes in it that God alone made all things that he created and so his image...What are YOU looking at?
Would he say that without ear someone looks more attractive?
What can GOD do about it ask a Science man that he too has created? Would he not have created a HUMAN? To produce infant and then alright Jesus didn't need no changing from hence on out for sure WOMAN needed sperm...A substance of HUMAN?
Oh so then memesomethings in 5 percent remaining of a population we have that too to non believers of un reached and so be it so I feel that they have great rights to reamin in such a state and discover the whole show that the Universe seems to have in it's DISPLAY?
What God alone Can't accomplish is to see it through?
Purpose one would be LIFE...
To command in living a do...as it is to death a survive?
Oh and why was one marked as the wrong doer? Deceit and untruth and perverter of the masses he is the dark figure they send out after innocent to teach them so they know what hell is like...
I hear there was a lot of smoke around that time...
Fires too and to all of destructive ways he is supposed to be the connect?
Have the religious leads gone wrong somewhere then to have had to have Hell in the first place?
How long has it been around now?
Heaven?
Sorry, Tinka, but I have no idea what most of this means, so I have few answers for you.

"for sure WOMAN needed sperm...A substance of HUMAN?"

Sperm doesn't have to be human.

"I feel that they have great rights to reamin in such a state"

I think that most states have rescinded their sodomy laws, although masturbation is illegal in Alabama: "Alabama Supreme Court Upholds Anti-Masturbation Law"
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/280303

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Manhattan Beach, CA

#772995 Aug 24, 2014
Susie D wrote:
<quoted text>Science never agrees anyway. They do not even agree with themselves.
Albert Einstein first predicated black holes.
Karl Schwarzschild defined a black hole
Simon Pierre LaPlace Relativity expert who and now Einstein opposed his own black hole theory.
John Wheeler uses term black hole
1970 Stephen Hawking’s Defined modern theory of black holes
.
2014 Stephen Hawking’s now says,“There are no black holes”
I guess Albert shouldn't have predicated.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#772996 Aug 24, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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The question is resolved. The infinite cannot exist.
It's not a matter of taking too long to count. We know that the counting always yields a finite.
...and after that, another finite...and so on.
Always.
Infinity is ruled out of physical existence.
I know this is a struggle for you. You want to believe the theorists when they draw arrows and have the figure 8 laying flat, and talk about singularities and black holes.
The child in you is desperate to believe.
Face life, young Skywalker.
No it isn't resolved . You believe it's resolved, but it is only a belief.
At one point in my life I would not have believed some quantum effects were possible.
Like super-viscosity , super conductivity and 3 dimensions breaking down into 2 two dimensional objects. Fact is we don't know, but we can identify when something is x----> 8.

“I love Jesus”

Since: Dec 08

Heaven, but Earthbound for now

#772997 Aug 24, 2014
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
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Some more information on Xian taqiyya:
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Lying_for_Jesus
Just wondering, does this apply when atheist lie to promote their beliefs? Is it then atheist taqiyya?

You are using an Islamic term as a way to insult Christians and I am not saying it is right to lie, because it is not even of the "means justifies the end." However, there is not a single person on this earth who has not lied before.. Not one.. Atheist lie to justify what they feel is the good in the end; atheist taqiyya.

You are also using a wiki site as your information source written by an atheist to attack Christians, which is a form of dishonesty.

Taqiyya is an Islamic term used for protection… believing individual can deny his faith or commit otherwise illegal or blasphemous acts while they are at risk of significant persecution.

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

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#772998 Aug 24, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Look Mr. Finitism, I didn't invent any of this. You can blame Newton for x->0, x=infinity), Leibniz, Cantor and a host of others for coming up with these solutions, all I did was learn them in Physics class.
You missed something in physics class.

The part where transfinite math does not represent physical reality.

Did they not tell you that?

For instance, did they tell you there is no such thing as an infinite donut?

Or that an apple doesn't really fall through infinite distances from the tree to the ground?

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

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#772999 Aug 24, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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"Alabama Supreme Court Upholds Anti-Masturbation Law"
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/280303
I knew I wasn't paranoid. They ARE out to get me.

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