Prove there's a god.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#768928 Aug 15, 2014
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
To what physical laws were you referring?
List them.
Stilgar Fifrawi wrote:
All of them.
Are you channeling Sarah?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#768929 Aug 15, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Stifle, Scroto.
Joyful8118 wrote:
Why? Because you say so?
Yep.
Joyful8118 wrote:
How about you make me.
< Throws up in own mouth >

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

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#768930 Aug 15, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Are you channeling Sarah?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =xRkWebP2Q0YXX
Lol I wish I could channel her....

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

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#768931 Aug 15, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
< Throws up in own mouth >
Well at least your breath smells better.

>:}

Since: Apr 14

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#768932 Aug 15, 2014
Actually, no one is a dude. Look it up. Then again, maybe some are.:) Off to my second job. HAG&WD day filled with love, peace, joy, and happiness. God loves you all.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#768933 Aug 15, 2014
Stilgar Fifrawi wrote:
Hold on there, you claimed that your past experience with your car starting is objective experience. Still claiming that?
Your tortured thinking has just eliminated objectivity from conscious experience.

Here's one definition of objective: "based on facts rather than feelings or opinions, not influenced by feelings"

I think that that is also a consequence of a lifetime of faith based thinking. You lose your grounding in reality. Here you a relegating empiricism to the dustbin, and idea of use only to somebody trying to put faith based beliefs on par with mundane experience.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#768934 Aug 15, 2014
Joyful8118 wrote:
Hugs.
You cheapen the sentiment.
Joyful8118 wrote:
God loves you.
That's rockin' good news. The Cat In The Hat loves you.

Since: Apr 14

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#768935 Aug 15, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Yep.
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< Throws up in own mouth >
Never gonna happen. You are no one important. You have no power over anyone or anything, not even an ant. What is wrong? Did you lose because you couldn't get me to leave and stop posting. Poor wittle IANS and Divinity - both of you lost.:) BuhBye.

Since: May 09

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#768936 Aug 15, 2014
Stilgar Fifrawi wrote:
"In truth, the literal six-day interpretation of Genesis 1-2 was not the only perspective held by Christians prior to modern science."
That debunks your claim that the young earth creation idea was mainstream Christianity before modern science.
You didn't debunk a thing.

Up until the Nicene creed(325 CE)it was the majority Abrahamic view. After the Nicene creed it was the majority view. The Catholic Church had that view then, which was the majority view. As a matter of fact and to be technical, Catholicism is still the majority view, whatever the issue held within Christianity. Protest as you like.

"For 600 years, according to the foremost Catholic Doctors and commentators on this dogmatic decree, the words “at once from the beginning” signified that God created all of the different kinds of corporeal creatures and angels “simul”(“at once”). This could be reconciled with the six days of creation (the view of the overwhelming majority of the Fathers) or with the instantaneous creation envisioned by St. Augustine–but it could not be reconciled with a longer creation period."
http://www.kolbecenter.org/the-traditional-ca...

Note that, below, the doctrine was still espoused during the lifetime of St. Lawrence of Brindisi (1559-1619).

"St. Lawrence of Brindisi (1559-1619), Doctor of the Church. In his commentary on Genesis, St. Lawrence wrote: The Holy Roman Church determined in the Fourth Lateran Council that the angels along with the creatures of the world were at once created ex nihilo from the beginning of time.(...) God created all of these creatures by his word, instantly and immediately. During the creation period, He made, specifically, trees,“every variety of plant and flower,” air creatures and water creatures and land animals.

There was no evolution.

There was no long interval of time."
http://www.kolbecenter.org/the-traditional-ca...

"Until now there has not been anyone in the church either who explained everything in the chapter with adequate skill.… We know from Moses that the world was not in existence before 6,000 years ago." - Martin Luther, Luther's Works 1 Lectures on Genesis 1-5, p. 3

Martin Luther is called the "Father of Protestantism".

John Calvin?

"I have said above that six days were employed in the formation of the world; not that God, to whom one moment is as a thousand years, had need of this succession of time, but that he might engage us in the contemplation of his works." - John Calvin

The first 1600 years of Christianity, by majority, believed that the Genesis mythology was a literal day creation account.

But there's more. In 1880...

"Pope Leo XIII wrote(...) We call to mind facts well-known to all and doubtful to no-one: after He formed man from the slime of the earth on the sixth day of creation, and breathed into his face the breath of life(...)
http://www.kolbecenter.org/the-traditional-ca...

in 1907...

"In Lamentabili St. Pius X condemned with the full weight of his office the proposition that “the progress of the sciences demands that the concept of Christian doctrine about ... creation ... be recast.”
http://www.kolbecenter.org/the-traditional-ca...



All you've pointed out is that there was - a minority - that thought differently, and none of those thought in terms of >billions< of years. The majority view was a literal creation.

A dwindling few - Christianity wide - still cling to that literal day interpretation.

Not surprisingly, I see other theists refute those YE creationists with scientific arguments first, then theological interpretations.




I've got to point out that all of the above shows that any biblical interpretation goes.





Mythology doesn't have to be logical, accurate, represent reality or have any evidence at all, it just has to be believed.

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#768937 Aug 15, 2014
Stilgar Fifrawi wrote:
True, the Bible isn't a science book. I never claimed it was. In fact, I've written that many times before.
But lemme ask ya this:
How do you get that the earth had an ocean from that verse?
"And earth was without form, and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep"


Probably from that word at the very first part of verse #2 which is - earth - that predicates what the verse is about, and from the second part of verse #2 which is "And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."
Stilgar Fifrawi wrote:
Yup. I've always thought "darkness was upon the face of the deep" refers to a starless universe.
Christianity; Where "deep" can mean "up".

The meaning of the word, "deep" as used in - that - verse.

~tehowm {teh-home'} or ~tehom {teh-home'}
Meaning: 1) deep, depths, deep places, abyss, the deep, sea 1a) deep (of subterranean waters) 1b) deep, sea, abysses (of sea) 1c) primeval ocean, deep 1d) deep, depth (of river) 1e) abyss, Sheol

But, it's the bible, you can interpret it any way you like.

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#768938 Aug 15, 2014
Stilgar Fifrawi wrote:
<quoted text>
Well at least your breath smells better.
>:}
Agreed. So nice of you to be positive for IANS. You are so kind to give a positive outlook on the issue of him throwing up in his mouth.

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#768939 Aug 15, 2014
curiouslu wrote:
<quoted text>
There's an Enlgish flag? Whoa.
Stilgar Fifrawi wrote:
Don't make fun of my disability.
She didn't mention Christianity.

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#768940 Aug 15, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't care how unbelievers define "themselves".
I do care how they employ words in common communication.
The reason I care is that when someone says, for instance, "all humans or born atheists", I prefer for people to recognize, as I recognize, the truth of the matter.
The truth of the matter is the persons who say such things are lying.
The reason they are lying is to claim a legitimacy that is not their's to claim.
The atheist thinks his position is rationally superior. It justifies suspicion of that view when he relies on semantic trickery.
So just say all people are born non-theist and it's all good.

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#768941 Aug 15, 2014
Stilgar Fifrawi wrote:
<quoted text>
The car starting can have only one of two outcomes:
The car starts
The car doesn't start
The coin toss can have only one of two outcomes:
Heads
Tails
You say those aren't analogous?
A coin can land on its edge.

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#768942 Aug 15, 2014
... its rim, or whatever we want to cal it... its side.

Regardless, there are more than two possible outcomes.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

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#768943 Aug 15, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Your tortured thinking has just eliminated objectivity from conscious experience.
Here's one definition of objective: "based on facts rather than feelings or opinions, not influenced by feelings"
I think that that is also a consequence of a lifetime of faith based thinking. You lose your grounding in reality. Here you a relegating empiricism to the dustbin, and idea of use only to somebody trying to put faith based beliefs on par with mundane experience.
One's objective experience is not more or less believable as another's.

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#768944 Aug 15, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
You cheapen the sentiment.
<quoted text>
That's rockin' good news. The Cat In The Hat loves you.
Kisses too.:)
Yes, it is. God bless!
The Cat in The Hat can't love. He isn't real. I thought you knew.
However, God is real and waiting for you, so he can show you how much he loves you. Have faith and trust in Him and ask him into your heart today. Blessings to you, Dear IANS.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#768945 Aug 15, 2014
nanoanomaly wrote:
I have never seen any verse in the Christian bible that states suicide is a determining factor in whether a person is condemned to hell.
So what? There's also no verse forbidding gay marriage. Christian dogma is what the preachers say it is, not what the bible says.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#768946 Aug 15, 2014
Joyful8118 wrote:
The Promptings of the Spirit - Written by Gloria Copeland
Have you noticed that sometimes you are aware of certain things before you even know what the Word says about it? That's because the Holy Spirit is in you teaching you the truth (John 16:13).
You hear things come up in your spirit and they float up into your mind. "You need to do this. You need to do that." Sometimes you listen and other times you don't. You hear it and let it go. Then later it comes back and you hear it all again. These are the promptings of your spirit by the Holy Spirit.
As we become more aware of the Spirit of God in our everyday affairs, we will be quicker to hear and obey those promptings. This is God's desire for the Body of Christ. The Holy Spirit is revealing the will of God to us in our spirits.
I have been prompted by the Holy Spirit to spend more time in prayer and in fellowship with God. I have talked with people from all over the world who are hearing the same thing.
Believers everywhere who have determined to please God agree that He is calling the Body of Christ into more personal communion with Him. He is calling us to spend time in prayer and fellowship in His presence daily.
I get excited when I hear others repeat the same thing that God has told me. That is how we are going to come into the unity of faith. The Spirit of God speaks to believers all over the world. When you and I are in agreement with God, we will automatically be in agreement with each other.
A Detroit pastor told me, "God said my mornings belong to Him." That is what God had revealed to me. I realized that it was God's will for me to set aside at least an hour or two every day to spend time in His Word and in prayer. You probably realize that God has told you the same thing.
God will not chase us down and demand our attention. The Bible tells us to seek the Lord and we will find Him. James 4:8 says, "Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you."
God sent Jesus to the cross. Fellowship with God has been restored. The price as been paid. He has sent the Holy Spirit. It is up to us to take what He has done for us and in us and draw near to Him. We must seek Him.
http://www.cfaith.com/index.php/article-displ...
It's the spam donor.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

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#768947 Aug 15, 2014
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
A coin can land on its edge.
Always a way out so you can avoid the topic.

zzzzz......

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