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RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#767251 Aug 10, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> There the dismal truth us, there probably never was a Noah, and we know there were never a global flood. So we are left with a fantasy scifi flick.
BTW I thought it was pretty good.
Right. But if they're going to make a movie based on the story from a book, don't you think the story from the book should be followed?
Huh

North Richland Hills, TX

#767252 Aug 10, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Look who's talking
<quoted text>
You're Christian trash.
<quoted text>
Then you're an idiot to use him as a reference, and an idiot for being so woefully ignorant. I know who he is. He's well known televangelist.
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
Yep.
ROCCO

Indio, CA

#767253 Aug 10, 2014
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>Well...I don't believe in little green men, but I'm not going to go around abusing those who do.
Except maybe that poseur Drake.
:)
Didn't you just recently post that you don't post to me, even though you do?

Sorry about that anti-little green men belief. It just might have been the right one instead of that "other" one.
ROCCO

Indio, CA

#767254 Aug 10, 2014
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>You got that right. They are all for legalizing herb and a few other drugs too.
Key word: legalizing

Since: Dec 12

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#767255 Aug 10, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>LOL. I agree. Nobody can read the food stamp demon's spam.
"Food stamp demon", lmao.

http://i.imgur.com/q76LWp4.jpg

What passes for welfare in Murika is very strange, I must say.

Since: Dec 12

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#767256 Aug 10, 2014
analmonotony wrote:
<quoted text>You? A cop? No.
Hahahahaha.

It's so unlike you to put paranoia aside, no theories today? Not even one?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#767258 Aug 10, 2014
NoStress4me wrote:
You must know by now that topix is not a real world study, as educated as you are.
My Topix experience is real world study.

It's real world because posting on Topix is no less real than making a YouTube video, a telephone call, or writing a letter. I don't need to see your face to know that you and I are having an actual discussion. Is the president of the United States part of the real world even if none of his communications to us are face to face?

And it's study because I have examined and interviewed thousands of Christians and non-Christians over my years here, and have seen things simply not available to me in meat space. Conversations like these are never as frank with people that I live near. They can't be, since our relationships are more than just discussions on religion. Furthermore, conversations like these would fall apart the first time I expressed myself without self-censoring.

I already knew that I didn't believe the dogma when I left the church 35 years ago. And I have understood how divisive and political the church was since the eighties and nineties when we met the Moral Majority, conservative Christianity, Operation Rescue, and the like.

But it wasn't until my Topix experience that I discovered the damage that Christianity does to so many of its adherents. That wasn't apparent even from within the church.

Before you and I have trouble with one another, let me emphasize that all of the above, while possibly offensive to you, are sincerely held beliefs, important if accurate, and my right to hold and express without being personally attacked for holding them. Some Christian respect that, and some decide to try to smear the character of the source. I hope you'll choose the higher road.
ROCCO

Indio, CA

#767259 Aug 10, 2014
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>The bible says there will be many.
Tip #1, they will profit from it.
Tip #2, God doesn't need money.
On this, the bible is right. All prophets are false.

1. They do.

2. Neither does FSM.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#767260 Aug 10, 2014
Stilgar Fifrawi wrote:
<quoted text>
Right. But if they're going to make a movie based on the story from a book, don't you think the story from the book should be followed?
Pretty much was, and you're asking for a non Hollywood spin on a mythological tale?
It isn't documented history... YOU KNOW?

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#767261 Aug 10, 2014
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>
A story for another day then.
I'm just about to tell the clitring, metal detector, airport story on another thread.
Hehehe...

Did you nearly spark another international incident?

Since: Dec 12

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#767262 Aug 10, 2014
Stilgar Fifrawi wrote:
<quoted text>Mmmhmmmmm.....

You don't need faith, just the ability to imagine whatever you want.

SpongeBob does that too.
At least he lives in a pineapple under the sea, that beats not existing.

http://i.imgur.com/q76LWp4.jpg

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#767263 Aug 10, 2014
Stilgar Fifrawi wrote:
<quoted text>
They made a movie from a story in the Bible. They got so many things wrong, "artistic license" doesn't give their wild imaginations enough justice.
The producers claimed that they held very closely to the story as written in the Bible; "I think we stayed very true to the story and didn’t really deviate from the Bible." -Scott Franklin
Really? Here's a list of some of the major things they got wrong:
1. Only one son takes his wife on the Ark in the movie, while in the Bible all three sons had wives with them.
2. Noah decides who will be worthy board the Ark, while in the Bible it is GOD who chooses.
3. The son with the wife has twin daughters, which are perhaps supposed to be the future wives of the other two sons. This was not written in the Bible.
4. Noah seeks advice from his grandfather Methuselah to understand a vision by God; this never happened. Apparently in the movie Noah really never understands God.
5. Methuselah is shown to be sort of a witch-doctor with mental health issues.
6. Noah has no concern for the people who will be killed in the flood, but the Bible says he was a “preacher of righteousness,” which would make his lack of concern out of character.
7. When Noah learns that his son’s wife is expecting, he says if it is a girl she should be killed because God doesn’t want to repopulate the world. Yet in the Bible we find that repopulation is exactly why Noah and his family — all eight of them — are saved.
8. A wounded man cuts his way into the Ark and eats animals to stay alive as a stowaway, and even tries to kill Noah. The Bible says no one but the eight of Noah’s family were on the Ark, and none of the animals died on the journey.
9. Noah teaches theistic evolution to his family while on board the Ark.
10. The “nephilim” are giant rock-creatures, help Noah build the Ark, and defend the Ark in battle.
You are going way beyond the known, and you have remember.
There are more books to the bible than in the versions you adhere to.

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#767264 Aug 10, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>Stilgar Fifrawi wrote, "
You throw Robertson in with the Phelps'???"

No more than you just did. Are you the only one permitted to include them in the same thought?

It aint necessarily so wrote, " Did you go to the WBC? I only ask because you seem to have the impression that every Christian and every Christian church teaches exactly like they do."

Phelps was the first of nine in this list.

[1]“God hates fags”– Christian pastor Fred Phelps

[2]“I figured a way out — a way to get rid of all the lesbians and queers. But I couldn’t get it passed through Congress. Build a great big large fence, 150 or 100 mile (sic) long. Put all the lesbians in there. Fly over and drop some food. Do the same thing with the queers and the homosexuals. Have that fence electrified so they can’t get out. Feed ‘em, and– And you know what? In a few years they’ll die out. You know why? They can’t reproduce.”- North Carolina Pastor Charles Worley
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/may/22/natio...

[3]“Hey! I'll tell you right now, if somebody said, "Who you gonna vote for?" I ain't gonna vote for a baby-killer and a homosexual-lover! You said, "Did you mean to say that?" You better believe I did! God have mercy! It makes me pukin' sick! To think about”- North Carolina Pastor Charles Worley

[4]“Obama Has Released The Homo Demons On The Black Man,” states Pastor James David Manning http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/uptown/ho...

[5] Indiana’s Apostolic Truth Tabernacle Church has made national news since a video surfaced this week of Pastor Jeff Sangl and his congregation encouraging a four-year-old singing a song called,“Ain’t no homos gonna make it to heaven.”
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/05/31/4927...

[6]“After a California pastor told his church that his son was gay, and that his views on homosexuality had changed, the congregation decided to leave the Southern Baptist Convention rather than embrace the denomination’s homophobic values.”
http://www.newnownext.com/california-pastor-c...

[7]“Now this Ebola epidemic can become a global pandemic and that’s another name for plague. It may be the great attitude adjustment that I believe is coming… Ebola could solve America’s problems with atheism, homosexuality, sexual promiscuity, pornography and abortion.”- Christian Rick Wiles

[8] "The battle cry of the LGBT revolution is to accept people for who they are, but Almighty God does not accept people for who they are.”- Pastor James Johnson

[9] "So your little son starts to act a little girlish when he is four years old and instead of squashing that like a cockroach … Dads, the second you see your son dropping the limp wrist, you walk over there and crack that wrist. Man up. Give him a good punch. Ok?”– Christian pastor Sean Harris

Sorry, dude, but Christianity is homophobic. Where do you think all of that homophobia comes from? Two And A Half Men? Major League Baseball? The IRS? Domino's Pizza? It's Jesus, Inc. You can't make it go away by pretending it all comes from one congregation.
Might as well face it, he's addicted to Atheists.

Use tune from song I took most of that sentence from.

Good post.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#767265 Aug 10, 2014
Stilgar Fifrawi wrote:
<quoted text>
They made a movie from a story in the Bible. They got so many things wrong, "artistic license" doesn't give their wild imaginations enough justice.
The producers claimed that they held very closely to the story as written in the Bible; "I think we stayed very true to the story and didn’t really deviate from the Bible." -Scott Franklin
Really? Here's a list of some of the major things they got wrong:
1. Only one son takes his wife on the Ark in the movie, while in the Bible all three sons had wives with them.
2. Noah decides who will be worthy board the Ark, while in the Bible it is GOD who chooses.
3. The son with the wife has twin daughters, which are perhaps supposed to be the future wives of the other two sons. This was not written in the Bible.
4. Noah seeks advice from his grandfather Methuselah to understand a vision by God; this never happened. Apparently in the movie Noah really never understands God.
5. Methuselah is shown to be sort of a witch-doctor with mental health issues.
6. Noah has no concern for the people who will be killed in the flood, but the Bible says he was a “preacher of righteousness,” which would make his lack of concern out of character.
7. When Noah learns that his son’s wife is expecting, he says if it is a girl she should be killed because God doesn’t want to repopulate the world. Yet in the Bible we find that repopulation is exactly why Noah and his family — all eight of them — are saved.
8. A wounded man cuts his way into the Ark and eats animals to stay alive as a stowaway, and even tries to kill Noah. The Bible says no one but the eight of Noah’s family were on the Ark, and none of the animals died on the journey.
9. Noah teaches theistic evolution to his family while on board the Ark.
10. The “nephilim” are giant rock-creatures, help Noah build the Ark, and defend the Ark in battle.
Since you was there, you tell is what happened...lololololol and

hahaHHAHAHAHAH snort hahahahahahah!

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#767266 Aug 10, 2014
Stilgar Fifrawi wrote:
<quoted text>1. No.

2. My mouth, usually. Sometimes my fingers.

3. The most unjust thing? That's subjective and such impossible to answer "correctly".

4. Again, a subjective question impossible to answer correctly.

Moving on.

How about you respond to my post yesterday, the post I posted twice, with the 6 links regarding Christians preachers, adherents and websites preaching pro- homosexuality? Why did you ignore that twice?
Can chickens fly?

Since: Dec 12

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#767267 Aug 10, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>Public prayer is extremely off putting. Why do these Christians have to flaunt their religious orientations and practices in public? I sure don't want to see it when eating.

I don't really care what consenting adults do behind closed doors, but why do these people have to flaunt their religious orientation in public and shove it down everybody's throat?

Some of them are flaming Christian, walking around with bibles showing and crucifixes dangling in plain view. Is that some kind of secret signal so that you can identify one another and hook up?

Some of you have bumper stickers that say things like, "Warning. I break for rapture." I don't even want to know what that is. Keep it to yourselves.

And I wish that they would warn us on TV when a show contains religion. I don't mind the nudity, violence, coarse language or adult situations, but religion offends me. There should be a warning.

I once ran into two Christians praying together behind the bushes in a public park - in broad daylight, and when I was with my kids. I was horrified. Get a room! I didn't want them seeing that. I covered their eyes and hurried them along.
Lol.

This christian makes a compelling argument:

http://i.imgur.com/tzWgBVG.jpg
ROCCO

Indio, CA

#767268 Aug 10, 2014
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>His boots were cool.
He'll be very happy about that if he went to where you guys said he should've.

There's a few Christians on this thread that are probably going to wish they had a pair.........if their beliefs come true.

Since: Dec 12

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#767269 Aug 10, 2014
Stilgar Fifrawi wrote:
<quoted text>Right. But if they're going to make a movie based on the story from a book, don't you think the story from the book should be followed?
Only if it's a good book, like IT or Lord of the Rings.
ROCCO

Indio, CA

#767270 Aug 10, 2014
Huh wrote:
<quoted text>She threatened to sue everyone once. This unwed mother of two little bastards whose fathers ran at the earliest chance even claims to have a lawyer on retainer.
That lawyer was smart enough to dump her just as fast as the two dads did.

Really, what is the common denominator in men abandoning Joyful, but Joyful, herself? I would imagine that one, or both, fathers might have a greater interest in the children if they didn't have to contend with the mother.

(Sorry, Joyful, just speaking truthfully based on all available information.)

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#767271 Aug 10, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you believe in the mythology of infinite density? It is impossible.
It is in the standard Big Bang theory.
Have you applied rational skepticism to the theory?
I know you dismissed me, but I'm gonna de-dismiss myself for a second or two. Feel free to ignore me.

Is the mass-energy contained in our universe constant and finite?

My assumption is "yes". Yours too... right?

Is our universe expanding?

Again, yes (not an assumption). I believe that's the general concensous among those with the tools to notice.

Is our universe becoming less dense as it expands?

Well, yes. That logically follows. On average, the amount of stuff per unit volume of space is decreasing.

Is our universe's temperature decreasing with the expansion?

Again, yes. Heat is energy and temperature is a measure of that energy. On average, the amount of heat per unit volume of space is decreasing.

Is the rate of our universe's expansion constant?

No. Again... the general concensous is that the expansion is accelerating.

If, as a thought experiment, we run the clock backwards...

Our universe collapses.

The rate of collapse isn't constant. The collapse decelerates.

The amount of stuff per unit volume of space increases... density increases.

The amount of heat per unit volume of space increases... temperature increases.

As our universe's volume approaches 0, density and temperature approach infinity.

Is infinite density and/or temperature possible?

If the answer is "no"... then which Big Bang models are ruled out?

Ones where there was an absolute beginning, or ones where there wasn't?

What are your veiws on how General Relativity plays into the scenario with respect to space-time conditions in the vacinity of "the beginning" of our universe?

Or is that last question pointless (no pun intended) because all Big Bang models are ruled out for another reason?

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