Prove there's a god.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#763594 Jul 30, 2014
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>Really? You're going to yammer on for the next month about me saying, once, that I didn't see any link from yesterday?
How very Christine of you.
Here's the thing, you were repeatedly screaming "liar! Liar!" foaming at the mouth. First, when you thought I made up the entire Cognitive Science journal and article, and then when you thought I didn't post the links. One can't help but enjoy your errors.

Anyways, nah, I've already forgotten and I accept your apology. Thanks :)

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#763595 Jul 30, 2014
Joyful8118 wrote:
<quoted text>
I said teaching of religion is just as important as the other four subjects mentioned. I said that it does have ways in which it helps in any job. I said that religion teaches much more than just about God. I did not say that it is intertwined or should be intertwined with those other four subjects. I am not saying it should be required, but as an option to those who want it taught.
Yeah, I'm all for the scrutinizing of religion and the teaching of one's cultural traditions. Sure.

However, I don't think it should be an option for "those who want it taught" but for "those who want to learn."

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#763596 Jul 30, 2014
nanoanomaly wrote:
"I don't have pet peeves, I have major fucking, psychotic hatreds!" ~ George Carlin: a highly irreligious turd, but kinda/sorta funny.
Is there anyone you actually like?

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#763597 Jul 30, 2014
Joyful8118 wrote:
http://devotion.wedaretobeliev e.com/
Do You Need a Heart Transplant? By Rick Warren — July 26, Saturday
“The fear of human opinion disables; trusting in God protects you from that.”(Proverbs 29:25 MSG)
If you’re going to get control of anger in your life, you must base your identity on Jesus, understanding that he loves you unconditionally, that you are his, that you are valuable, and that he has a purpose and plan for your life.
If you build your identity on anything else, you’ll struggle with insecurity your whole life.
Nah. It's better to build an identity on defining one's self by contribution to society, success in one's goals, and contribution to the happiness of friends, family and strangers.

Relying on some imagined being for confidence is a bit trite.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#763598 Jul 30, 2014
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>
That's all well and good, but do you have an old book written by anonymous, ignorant, and superstitious religious zealots, to support your position?
Because that would be impressive.
If you would just allow me to travel back in time for a moment, sir, I will get right back to you.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#763599 Jul 30, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
I guess that I had a different idea of what the phrase "social Darwinism" referred to. I thought that it referred to survival of the fittest ideas and methods as occurs when social constructs like businesses and ideas/ideologies compete for scarce resources to persist. Right now, humanism and Christianity are competing for minds. The fittest one will survive.
In other words, survival of the fittest memes.
You're talking about what's called an "Evolutionary Stable Strategy" or ESS.
And yes, the ones who accumulate the most wealth are most successful at money making in the social/economic environment they find themselves in. We consider it an injustice and a threat to the health of the culture when wealth concentration becomes excessive, and intervene just as we do to mitigate biological selection factors like poor vision and diabetes. But if dollars are conceived of as scarce resources that people compete for, then something analogous to biological evolution is occurring culturally.
Also, the socialistic meme advocating income redistribution that antagonizes the accumulation of unlimited fortunes is a meme competing with the Victorian capitalism meme of extreme wealth and extreme poverty a la Oliver Twist and David Copperfield.
Is all of that not also what is meant by "social Darwinism"? Memes are the cultural analog of biological genes, and memes do what genes do: "try" to get themselves copied in the greatest number of receptacles, which are minds rather than genomes.
What do you think?
That about sums them up. That's not Social Darwinism, though. I guess if that label hadn't been co-opted by Spencer, you could use it, but right now it's tainted.

Dawkins goes into great detail discussing ESS's in his books "The Selfish Gene" and "The Extended Phenotype."

You can do the same math for physical traits as for what you label "memes" above (I find the meme model somewhat simplistic and prefer the enculturation model, but perhaps it fits better in more simplistic situations).

Successful strategies don't just dominate in a population, but tend to prevent other strategies from gaining footholds. It's not that dominant strategies are actually "better" or "more fit," it's also that they are dominant and so have the resources to prevent other strategies from succeeding - much like our conversation on structural inequalities. Strategies that come to dominate in a population, be they wings, fast movement or religions, set up the game such that other strategies cannot break in - hence, Evolutionary Stable Strategies.

However, other strategies can, like a virus, gain some ground - and there're actually dynamic relationships between ESSs. Think of differing eye colors - brown is dominant, but we also have blue, green, hazel and grey whose frequency in the human population varies each generation.

And new ones can, if the environment changes or a new mutation comes along, gain ground and depose the previous one.

Religions and ideologies function as ESSs. Christianity was dominant for a long time - other religions couldn't break in, atheism barely maintained itself, but now the environment is changing. Religion is losing its dominance b/c it has no choice but to cling to outdated ideas - so, the proving ground is opening up to all kinds of ideas, one of which enjoys evidence based positions.

The difference between "meme" and "enculturation" is basically psychology to anthropology. They are good at looking how individuals minds learn, we are good at social influences and learning. So w/in a particular culture, meme might be a better descriptor, but between cultures, enculturation is.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#763600 Jul 30, 2014
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>Says the overbearing boor.
I hear your mom calling.
Oh! IANS pulls ahead again! Nano, nano, your manager is screaming - get back in the game!

IANS: 3

Nano:0

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#763601 Jul 30, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Brilliantly articulated.
Thank you kind sir. All true :)

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#763602 Jul 30, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
I apparently own the Scrunt. That was unexpected and unwelcome.
Craigslist: "Scrunt for sale. As is. No refunds. No offer refused."
I'm afraid in tennis terms, you're up 45-love. This is match point.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#763603 Jul 30, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Very interesting. Thanks.
The Satanists seem to be interested in contributing to our collective well-being a hell of a lot more than the church. I don't have much use for Satan, but I appreciate these people's interest in the well-being of women.
The church is the opposite.
What could be more ironic? It's like a movie where the protagonist realizes they've been on the bad guy's side the entire time.

Well, I'm sure that Waaasssuuup will come to his senses, thinking logically, and go join Satanism.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#763604 Jul 30, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL. Nicely played. LOL. Nicely played. The Scrunt has no concept of what happened to her here.
@ Scrunt - how are you doing in your commitment to ignore my posts? Have you been ignoring them, or are you dancing on strings like a marionette? I anxiously await the pages ahead to see. My guess is that you have no say in it.
Thanks :)

I don't know what was with Nano today. She first claimed I made up the entire story despite the link to the journal Cognitive Science, then claimed it was about abortion, accusing me of attacking the unborn who, she assures me, cannot defend themselves, then claimed I didn't link to it, then left for a bit, came to her senses and seemed to think that the second time I posted the link was the first time happening while she was posting.

phew! My goal was to write that all in one full sentence, and I accomplished it. Sweet, thanks!

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#763605 Jul 30, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
You know nothing. What do you consider yourself authoritative about? How about competent?
<quoted text>
What would you know about college?
<quoted text>
No, that makes here knowledgeable about Christianity. If she disparages Christianity, it will be helpful.That religion is a blight on humanity, and people need to hear about it. Whatever the reason you refuse to see that is of little import. People that support your religion need to be contradicted.
To be honest, I don't disparage Christianity while teaching at uni. Not my place. I'm there to teach anthropology, which involves giving them the tools to critically analyze Christianity and think about it, and their belief system, reflexively.

If I've done that well, and can get them to analyze how belief systems work, how meaning systems rely upon symbolism, ritual and embodiment, how these work cross culturally to create wildly differing worldviews, then I've done my job. The critical, intelligent students have their tools and interesting conversations over alcohol.

Perhaps more interestingly, when I taught Intro to Biological Anth in the US, which necessitates the teaching of evolution, I've had Christians say to me "wow! I thought God just made it all. This makes so much more sense!" Here at this uni, they asked me simply to focus on cultural anth - not a lot of science programs offered in English here.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#763606 Jul 30, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL.The Satanists seem more intelligent, more moral, and more useful than the Christian church. How funny and sad at once.
I've had one stay at my place a couple of times - he's in an anth program at the Chinese University of Hong Kong, American, comes from deeply religious family who taught him that masturbation was evil. Poor guy - became a Satanist to rebel at first, and went all the way.

Anyways, he described to me that Satanism is about empowering the self, discarding primitive fictions, and seeking to create a better world around us. He said he's an atheist, he doesn't believe in Satan, but follows the precepts laid out in the Satanic bible about individual growth.

It is ironic that the bad guy in one religion foments followers who seek out education and strive for equal rights of men and women - but you know what? At this point, I'm not surprised. What other reaction could Satanists produce? They're fighting against science and history deniers - idiots like LB who "know" the Biblical Flood happened and that people in Noah's time lived to 900 years old. You'd be hard pressed to find greater distaste for education and honesty than LB's and Waaasssuuup's brand of Christianity.

So it totally makes sense that, in their opposition to Christianity, the Satanists have embraced education, science and honesty.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#763607 Jul 30, 2014
sweets2360 wrote:
<quoted text>
It cant be much worse than a crack addition, or heroin. If they can recover from those, they can recover from religion. Just my opinion.
Good point, good point.

Ok, I'll go get the heroin. God, I need some crack.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#763608 Jul 30, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
Agreed. Worship is unworthy of free citizens. We are each sovereign over ourselves.
And worshiping the sadistic, narcissistic god of Christianity is particularly degrading. Who but a narcissist would even want continuous praise, let alone create a universe and stock it with life to get it? And who but a sadist would keep the holdouts conscious after death just to toss them into a lake of fire and make them scream?
It's kind of funny. In a sad, horrible for them, wish they'd get better, sort of way.

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#763609 Jul 30, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
You're talking about what's called an "Evolutionary Stable Strategy" or ESS.
<quoted text>
That about sums them up. That's not Social Darwinism, though. I guess if that label hadn't been co-opted by Spencer, you could use it, but right now it's tainted.
Dawkins goes into great detail discussing ESS's in his books "The Selfish Gene" and "The Extended Phenotype."
You can do the same math for physical traits as for what you label "memes" above (I find the meme model somewhat simplistic and prefer the enculturation model, but perhaps it fits better in more simplistic situations).
Successful strategies don't just dominate in a population, but tend to prevent other strategies from gaining footholds. It's not that dominant strategies are actually "better" or "more fit," it's also that they are dominant and so have the resources to prevent other strategies from succeeding - much like our conversation on structural inequalities. Strategies that come to dominate in a population, be they wings, fast movement or religions, set up the game such that other strategies cannot break in - hence, Evolutionary Stable Strategies.
However, other strategies can, like a virus, gain some ground - and there're actually dynamic relationships between ESSs. Think of differing eye colors - brown is dominant, but we also have blue, green, hazel and grey whose frequency in the human population varies each generation.
And new ones can, if the environment changes or a new mutation comes along, gain ground and depose the previous one.
Religions and ideologies function as ESSs. Christianity was dominant for a long time - other religions couldn't break in, atheism barely maintained itself, but now the environment is changing. Religion is losing its dominance b/c it has no choice but to cling to outdated ideas - so, the proving ground is opening up to all kinds of ideas, one of which enjoys evidence based positions.
The difference between "meme" and "enculturation" is basically psychology to anthropology. They are good at looking how individuals minds learn, we are good at social influences and learning. So w/in a particular culture, meme might be a better descriptor, but between cultures, enculturation is.
Thanks for that!
feces for jesus

Brooklyn, NY

#763611 Jul 30, 2014
Ghost Writer 2 U wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you even know the origin and meaning of the word "worship?" I'm thinking not. LOL
Just like most of our language, it stems from an Old English/Germanic system that had nothing to do with the judeo-christian culture. Are you an etymology expert too?

Since: Jun 14

Location hidden

#763612 Jul 30, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Well I for one am having fun with Satanism.
Wow!

“Game Over”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#763613 Jul 30, 2014
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi River.
What's up with stuff?
Stuff is good, Tide :)

We took a trip to California last week.

How is your stuff?

Since: Jun 14

Location hidden

#763614 Jul 30, 2014
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>He lies.
He definitely speaks what he Believes to be true, which differ from my way of thinking.
He is Optimistic tho, Optimism is a good thang ireckn..

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Top Stories Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
The Christian Atheist debate (Jun '15) 1 min Dr Banonator 56,380
Poll Is homosexuality a sin? (Oct '07) 4 min DebraE 106,058
bambam 21 min brandy trujillo 4
News Roman Catholic church only true church, says Va... (Jul '07) 32 min Pad 649,895
Kristen Bell shares photos from her wedding to ... 36 min Yahoo sale 2
Jehovah's Witnesses are true disciple of Jesus ... (Mar '07) 48 min Student 44,926
Poll Was 9/11 a conspiracy?? (Oct '07) 2 hr Neville Thompson 281,475
my cousin touches me when i am asleep and i kin... (Mar '14) 8 hr Jesus 47
Moms having sex with their sons (Aug '12) Fri Noname 69
More from around the web