I'm going to handle this like I always do when somebody repeatedly fails to answer a question. I'll answer it for you, and allow you to correct my answer to reflect what you actually believe. There is no quicker way to resolve such a matter. My question (asked twice now): "So what then is your larger point? That we have the bible or Christianity to thank for abolition, civil rights and/or women voting? I would argue the opposite. Citing examples from history of Christians behaving honorably or intelligently is not an endorsement of Christianity unless you can also demonstrate that it was their Christian upbringing in biblical principles that led them to those conclusions, conclusions that non-Christian not referring to bibles couldn't have come to. Is that your position? "
Posited answer: I can't show any correlation between the actions of exceptional Christians and their Christian upbringing. I would like for my church and religion to get credit for that, but I cannot causally connect the two. For example, I have cited Martin Luther King Jr, a renowned genius and civil rights leader, and have implied that his Christian upbringing was somehow relevant,but am unable to account for why there was only one like him. If the church were in any way responsible for that man, there ought to be tens of thousands or millions of copies like him.
That doesn't appear to be the case. I see only one conclusion, the one expressed explicitly by me. At this point, you are tacitly concurring with it. I posted, "I'll answer it for you, and allow you to correct my answer to reflect what you actually believe," and you declined to disagree. It is assumed that you would have provided a cogent rebuttal if you had one.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W oman%27s_Christian_Temperance_ Union
I think we both have an ideal picture of what should happen if someone is living out the implications of their faith and that faith is Christianity. But we both know that it isn't the case in this world.
But it draws two completely different conclusions.