Prove there's a god.

Since: Jun 14

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#747729 Jun 20, 2014
IPSEC wrote:
<quoted text>1. If it emanated from your finger tips, it's likely not true. That is one objective standard you can take to the bank.
2. But your godidit is a fact? Bwahahahahaha.
3. That's your whole shtick, hypocrite.
4. You want everyone to follow your culturally-conditioned god that you created in your own image, you know, the one that never disagrees with you, hypocrite.
5. There could be many things that exist but if they aren't matter they don't matter. Why are you telling him what he believes?
6. Is this the only reason you cling to this childish god belief, reward? A non-demonstrable reward sold by tax-free charlatans who use public services like roads and police and fire protection who never have to deliver the product they sell? Wow, what a vapid and vacuous reason. You are afraid your ego is going to end. What a fool's errand.
7. Once again, you are telling people what they believe and labeling them. It's almost as if you write a sentence and it gets immediately erased from some memory bank between your ears.
8. No, what is more sad is an adult make in 2014 clinging to childish dreams of eternal life, without evidence, just because he is afraid of no longer existing. Here's what you're forgetting about eternity. A billion years in and you're not even halfway there. You claim you get to go to this sin-free place. What is going to stimulate you for eternity? No BJs, no Topix, no atheists to hate. At least you get to wash Jesus' feet while hoping his robe doesn't accidentally slip open and you have to gaze at the Royal Scepter.
You sure think highly of yourself don't you? you worthless piece of shyt! anyone such as yourself that defends pedophiles with the zeal you do ain't worth a fk! any many boys you got trap in your basement pedophile?

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#747731 Jun 20, 2014
IPSEC wrote:
<quoted text>Haha, okay, Sparky. Whatever keeps you from swallowing a gun barrel is a-okay.
Please, don't stop him from beautifying the world.
KENTUCKY

Louisville, KY

#747733 Jun 20, 2014
@ JOYFUL

All is well thanks. Hope all well for u2.

[email protected] !!! be back here after vacation so keep your head held high as you always do and stand back as the good things start comin atcha. Peace.
KENTUCKY

Louisville, KY

#747734 Jun 20, 2014
@ WILDERIDE

Too little time but I can appreciate how civil you appear. Get back later. Peace.
KENTUCKY

Louisville, KY

#747735 Jun 20, 2014
@ PUSHER aka DIRTY

I got some thunder that could knock you off your mountain !!!!

:)

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#747737 Jun 20, 2014
wilderide wrote:
God is a simplistic
Not as simple as you think since you do not demonstrate you can get even simple concepts about God right.
explanation for which there isn't a shred of empirical evidence.
Your atheistic presuppositions prevent you from looking at any evidence objectively. You will always arrive at your foregone conclusion which is really dangerous since you believe your rights are from men and are not universal and you do not prepare yourself for judgement day. In that sense you suffer from extreme myopia.
In fact, it runs entirely counter to what we know about physics.
God as depicted is outside everything. That is from the first verse in the Bible. Outside time space matter. Not subject to Physics.
As for what science proposes as hypotheses for the beginning of the universe, why do they make no sense to you? Or rather, how much do you know about them?
Science does not have anything to say about how it happened. Genesis 1:1 states how it happened and the Cause which is God. Science can describe what they think happened. You guys are so gullible you must think a new deck of cards in an unopened box goes from aces to kings in each suit self arranges with nothing behind it all Chaos does not create order and nothing does not bring about everything.

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#747738 Jun 20, 2014
Cheetah wrote:
<quoted text>
How do you know what is true and isn't true? This is just your opinion. And how can you judge others on what they believe or don't believe?
You have your beliefs and so does everyone else.
So you believe that nothing exists in the universe except the material elements that we see.
That when you die, in a few years, that is it, you are extinct for all eternity.
Unless you have different beliefs, but this is what material atheists basically believe.
Isn't it sad that you are going to be snuffed out of existence in a few years time, if not before?
I do sympathize with you, dude.

Death does seem like a scary thought.

But the best reaction is to live as long as possible in a healthy and productive way, and figure out how to accept death gracefully when it comes.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#747739 Jun 20, 2014
IPSEC wrote:
<quoted text>please describe the exact nature of your god so that there will be no more erroneous assumptions. You apparently claim to know all about this god as you claim assumptions are erroneous, but the last time I asked, you told me to Google it. I did. I got about 20,000 different descriptions in a short time and nothing describing an exact nature. You are up to the challenge, aren't you? What are you afraid of?
You already screwed the pooch on the Nazareth thing. Now you want me to do your own homework for you. I don't do requests. Look at Genesis 1:1

In the beginning (Time)
God created the Heavens (Space)
And the Earth (Matter)

It presupposes God is outside all these things. Outside His creation. Under that scenario why would anybody think God is subject to the laws of Physics???? That is your report from maybe 4000 years ago.

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#747740 Jun 20, 2014
Cheetah wrote:
<quoted text>
Hypotheses are assumptions without any proof or evidence.
Physics cannot explain how matter came into existence out of nothing, out of nowhere. This is the biggest proof of a creator God.
There can't be any other explanation, no matter how hard atheist scientists try to escape from this fact.
You don't know what you don't know.

Since: Jun 14

Location hidden

#747741 Jun 20, 2014
KENTUCKY wrote:
@ PUSHER aka DIRTY
I got some thunder that could knock you off your mountain !!!!
:)
Right on Bro, take it easy dude..
Cheetah

Hamrun, Malta

#747742 Jun 20, 2014
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>
No, it just means we don't know yet. Again, you keep assuming that if one thing cannot be proved, that becomes proof of something else be default. That's not how it works. It's not proof of your creator god or any other, it simply means we don't know yet.
We can't cure cancer yet; since we don't know what the cure is does that mean cancer is caused by your chakras being out of alignment? Of course not.
<quoted text>
You have no way of knowing that there aren't other explanations.
OK, let us continue with this logic theme.
I see that you are the only civilized atheist poster at the moment, who can discuss and argue without childish insults.
I also see that you are an admirer of Oscar Wilde from your picture. He is also my favorite wit.

OK, to continue what you said last about other explanations for the origin of matter, which so far none has been found, do you dispel the possibility of a Creator?

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#747743 Jun 20, 2014
IPSEC wrote:
<quoted text>So, then, the Bible is no longer relevant and should be relegated to the antiquities fiction section of the library. Thank you, I agree.
You tink God is irrelevant and you got another thing coming. So don't twist my words to fit your agenda, liar.

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#747744 Jun 20, 2014
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Not as simple as you think since you do not demonstrate you can get even simple concepts about God right. <quoted text>
Your atheistic presuppositions prevent you from looking at any evidence objectively. You will always arrive at your foregone conclusion which is really dangerous since you believe your rights are from men and are not universal and you do not prepare yourself for judgement day. In that sense you suffer from extreme myopia.
<quoted text> God as depicted is outside everything. That is from the first verse in the Bible. Outside time space matter. Not subject to Physics.
<quoted text> Science does not have anything to say about how it happened. Genesis 1:1 states how it happened and the Cause which is God. Science can describe what they think happened. You guys are so gullible you must think a new deck of cards in an unopened box goes from aces to kings in each suit self arranges with nothing behind it all Chaos does not create order and nothing does not bring about everything.
Nothing can be outside everything.

Take it from Pastor Catcher.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#747746 Jun 20, 2014
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:

And all you have provided is demeaning words and insults.
Why don't you post a fair rebuttal to what Hukt stated, instead of posting insults?
You can do this, right?
I asked you to post your citations - you refused or just plain never responded.
IMO - this sounds like you would rather run away from answering than being completely honest and direct when it comes to your hopelessness in a faith you are scared to respond upon.
What are you afraid of?
Cheetah wrote:
<quoted text>
What citations, nutcase?
If this is how you begin a discussion with others, I guess you just confirmed my point I made above.

DOH!!
Cheetah wrote:
<quoted text>Post them again to see what you are talking about.
Ues, please post where "God" specifically states which texts are "of His inspiration" and which are not, so we all know what texts to believe and which texts we should not.

I'll continue to wait for your citation.
Cheetah wrote:
<quoted text>And you have the cheek to say that I provided nothing but insults, when I kept back from insulting him the way he insulted me, without any provocation? Like azzhole and a whole list of other insults?
Yes - I did say that, because it is true. You would rather divert with posting insults than answer other posts and request using logic and reason.

Plainly you see this in your statement above, right?

If not, no worries - you are just like other so-called "Christians".....ang ered at those who point out your short-givings.

[QUOTE who="Cheetah"]<qu oted text>I did in fact post a rebuttal to what Hukt said if you care to read it.
Sure - post it again....this time directly to me.....thanks!
Cheetah wrote:
<quoted text>I assure you that I am not afraid of anyone here, least of all a piece of shit like you. I have always answered and debated with everyone, as I am still doing.
I didn't ask "who are you afraid of?"......I had asked "What are you afraid of?"

Based upon your response above, you seem to be afraid of being honesty and find joy and happiness in redirecting a question(s) to your liking, instead of facing it head-on and respond with honesty.

BTW - I am not a piece of shite.....I must have said something to you that you didn't like, to warrant this kind of response.

Hmmm.....maybe it is you who is actually the fecal matter that you have referenced. You do have the characteristics of such a person.
Cheetah wrote:
<quoted text>Why don't you tell us what your BS New Age Spiritual Leader means for a start so that we can debate better, if you can debate at all that is.
You will have to clarify your off-topic question to be more appropriate to the forum's debate - "Prove there's a God" - not "Prove what A New Age Spiritual Leader is"....okay.

maybe a course in reading comprehension is a better suited path for you at this time.....as you seemed to get alot wrong about me, just within this post of yours.

Thanks for responding, even though your post didn't have any substance.

Since: May 09

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#747748 Jun 20, 2014
lightbeamrider wrote:
You are judging ancient cultures by modern standards with zero objective basis. Retrojecting modern understanding mostly for shock value void of context. That is why you throw in loaded terms like misogyny, racism and ''Jewish porn revenge-rant.'' One wonders where you got that phrase? Incest, pederasty,
23)‘I also raised my hand and swore to them in the desert that I would scatter them among the nations and disperse them through the countries; 24) because they hadn’t obeyed my rulings but had rejected my laws and profaned my shabbats, and their eyes had turned toward their fathers’ idols. 25) I also gave them laws which did them no good and rulings by which they did not live; 26) and I let them become defiled by their own gifts, in that they offered up their firstborn sons, so that I could fill them with revulsion, so that they would [finally] realize that I am Adonai. Ezekiel 20:23-26(CJB)
lightbeamrider wrote:
even zoology [bestiality] was common in antiquity in non Jewish cultures before they were Christianized.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_zoophilia
Let's look at your assertion, but first, lets look at the definition for "helpmate", you like Merriam Webster, no?
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hel...

This may be easier for you to assimilate.
http://www.learnersdictionary.com/definition/...

Regardless the translation or language used, "helper", "help mate", "companion" , et al, means a counterpart.

This is what your deity provides as selections for the Adam.

18) Adonai, God, said,“It isn’t good that the person should be alone. I will make for him a companion suitable for helping him.” 19 So from the ground Adonai, God, formed every wild animal and every bird that flies in the air, and he brought them to the person to see what he would call them. Whatever the person would call each living creature, that was to be its name.(S: iii) 20 So the person gave names to all the livestock, to the birds in the air and to every wild animal. But for Adam there was not found a companion suitable for helping him.Genesis 2:18-20(CJB)

Notice; it was the Adam that found those options, offered by your deity - Yahweh - as unacceptable.
lightbeamrider wrote:
Your response above has zero to do with the context of your original and my response to it. Reprinted above. Instead you make another erroneous assumption about God. Stay on track. The ancients tolerated bestiality, pedophilia, sex slavery, slavery, mob violence, incest marriages in Egypt. They did not do much about any of these things unless it was politically expedient to enforce legal provisions against an enemy. Then you throw in 21st century loaded terms like misogyny and racism. One could conclude Roosevelt was a racist for appointing Hugo Black to the Supreme Court.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan
Yeah, racism and bigotry has a long tradition in Christianity, just look these examples, http://www.hearnow.org/caljp.html

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#747750 Jun 20, 2014
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Arranged marriages were the norm. Females were raised that way. They were expected to marry the man their parents chose for her. You say forced rape for shock value. Again, you are retrojecting modern understanding into ancient cultures and describing the situation as force rape. Loaded terms. As i told you before there are two examples of force rape in scripture. In both cases the rapists were killed. In the Dinah case not only the rapist but the entire collection of men who were tricked into circumcision.
You simply don't know what you are talking about.
When Judah was overtaken part of the consequences was force rape of Jewish women as depicted in Lamentations.
<quoted text> That is really a lie. <quoted text> I noticed you did not address he pedophilia incest marriage and bestiality practices by non Jewish cultures like Rome and Greece. The force rape of children who as slaves were expected to provide sex on demand to their owners. How slaves could not accuse their owners of rape or abuse since slaves had no legal protection. How owners in Rome and Greece could kill their slaves anytime for any reason. You do not address any of that. You are fixated on things you demonstrate you know nothing about. Yours is not the work of an objective student of history nor do you seek to understand anything. Yours is simple investive driven by you spiteful agenda and your ignorance.
You will need to answer two questions first, before you continue to express your thoughts the way you are doing above.....

a. Is the Bible true for all its contents?

b. If it is all true and useful for modern times, then why is it against the law for a man to rape a virgin, disregarding the Deuteronomy laws:

13 “If any man takes a wife and goes in to her and then hates her 14 and accuses her of misconduct and brings a bad name upon her, saying,‘I took this woman, and when I came near her, I did not find in her evidence of virginity,’ 15 then the father of the young woman and her mother shall take and bring out the evidence of her virginity to the elders of the city in the gate. 16 And the father of the young woman shall say to the elders,‘I gave my daughter to this man to marry, and he hates her; 17 and behold, he has accused her of misconduct, saying,“I did not find in your daughter evidence of virginity.” And yet this is the evidence of my daughter's virginity.’ And they shall spread the cloak before the elders of the city. 18 Then the elders of that city shall take the man and whip[b] him, 19 and they shall fine him a hundred shekels[c] of silver and give them to the father of the young woman, because he has brought a bad name upon a virgin[d] of Israel. And she shall be his wife. He may not divorce her all his days. 20 But if the thing is true, that evidence of virginity was not found in the young woman, 21 then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones, because she has done an outrageous thing in Israel by whoring in her father's house. So you shall purge the evil from your midst.

28 “If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, 29 then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days.

Would you condone your daughter getting raped and then the man handing you 50 shekels for her hand in marriage?

I think you are confused.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#747752 Jun 20, 2014
dirty white boy- wrote:
<quoted text> You sure think highly of yourself don't you? you worthless piece of shyt! anyone such as yourself that defends pedophiles with the zeal you do ain't worth a fk! any many boys you got trap in your basement pedophile?
Are you Catholic?

:o)
Cheetah

Hamrun, Malta

#747753 Jun 20, 2014
IPSEC wrote:
<quoted text>Why do you keep offering the same nonsense despite the fact that each time you do it is proven how wrong your assertions are?
1. Nope. A scientific hypothesis is a proposed explanation of a phenomenon which still has to be rigorously tested. In contrast, a scientific theory has undergone extensive testing and is generally accepted to be the accurate explanation behind an observation. When you lie for your religion, you prove your religion to be nothing but lies.
2. Uh, the only one making that claim appears to be you. Even nothing is something. Funny how your invisible sky daddy can somehow come out of nowhere though, isn't it? When you lie for your religion, you prove your religion to be nothing but lies.
3. No, that is a combination of two logical fallacies, special pleading and argument ad ignorantum. You could put any word in place of creator god and it would change nothing. Your statement is meaningless and an not in any way an explanation. "This is the biggest proof of the Magic Pink Unicorn" means exactly the same thing. Nothing. When you lie for your religion, you prove your religion to be nothing but lies.
4. Really? This is your proof, bald assertions without any testable, repeatable, falsifiable evidence? When you use terms like atheist scientists, you're playing a fool's game. Fact? Haha. When you lie for your religion, you prove your religion to be nothing but lies.
What are the odds that this creator god you offer is your personal, culturally-conditioned god that you created in your own image? There is not one Christian that will answer the following question:
When was the last time your god disagreed with you?
Apart from the fact that you are mixing one thing with another, to create confusion and avoid the argument, you are also making some ridiculous statements here.

"Even nothing is something"
Since when is nothing something?

"Really? This is your proof, bald assertions without any testable, repeatable, falsifiable evidence?"

Yes, it is scientific, testable, repeatable, proof evidence. Nothing could be more so.
Try to produce something out of nothing.
Existence out of non-existence.
No scientist can do that, and if he did he would be a creator god.
Now do you get the argument, and the irrefutable scientific proof?

Not that you will ever admit it, since you are an avowed atheist.

Since: Feb 14

Location hidden

#747754 Jun 20, 2014
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you Catholic?
:o)
What do you think wanna be!

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#747755 Jun 20, 2014
IPSEC wrote:
<quoted text>What are you afraid of?
I've asked this exact same question to numerous people in numerous religious sects, after I pointed out a semantic to their belief...and you know what.....

....not one of them could answer why they don't research their religious belief fully before staying within the sect.

They prefer not to find out....BECAUSE.....it will destroy their brand.

That is what they are afraid of.

Think about it.....they would seem lost without a purpose, because they lean so heavily on others to try and achieve a goal that they actually can achieve on their own.

They are afraid.....afraid of finding out the truth.

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