Prove there's a god.
Scrooge

Phoenix, AZ

#725050 May 6, 2014
Ghost Writer 2 You wrote:
I’m glad I had the courage to go forward rather than quit and sulk away in defeat.
It's historical fact that organized religion is a hoax founded to control the feeble-minded and weak-willed such as you and Riverside Redneck. You're the greatest coward in the history of this forum completely lacking in courage and self-dignity, punk.

Since: Jan 11

United States

#725051 May 6, 2014
Ghost Writer 2 You wrote:
Some people describe me as rude and arrogant while others describe me as charming, witty, and personable. Do I exist or not?
Different people describing you with subjective opinions does not constitute a logically impossible claim.

If someone claims you exist, then defines you in logically contradicting terms, you don't exist as defined.

I think most theists recognize contradictions in the definitions for their deity and believe only parts of the definition. In the case of the Bible and those that claim to believe it, there are thousands of incompatible and distinct possible combinations of beliefs that can add up to a concept for a deity.

The God character defined by the Bible cannot exist as defined. It would take a considerable amount of editing to remove the contradictions, and that editing could go thousands (if not millions) of directions. The result would be thousands (if not millions) of different deity claims. You don't need to look outside of Christianity to find people who believe in different deities. It seems to me that all theists believe in a unique deity. With nothing to actually observe, there's only one way to define these things, and that's using human imagination. Most people let someone else do most of their imagining for them, but to fill in the gaps, people draw from their own imaginations.

It doesn't really matter if your deity claim is logically possible or not. It doesn't really matter if it's testable or not. Human beings know what the word "deity" means by looking at all the imagined definitions and concepts for all the thousands of deities that people have believed in. These are things that humans are prone to imagine and believe in for various reasons. There's no reason to suspect that any of them might actually be real. None of the deity claims that I've seen stand out from the pack as more compelling than the rest. Most of them rely on the same kinds of fallacious arguments. They rely on similar methods to spread in populations. Faith seems to work the same no matter what you have faith in.

If you think you have a deity claim that's better than all the rest, it might be worth a few minutes to consider. Then again, it might not.
Scrooge

Phoenix, AZ

#725052 May 6, 2014
https://www.facebook.com/AmericanAtheists/pos...

A list of 40 harmful effects of Christianity:

1. The discouragement of rational, critical thought.

2. Vilification of homosexuality, resulting in discrimination, parents disowning their children, murder, and suicide.

3. Women treated like second-class citizens based on religious teachings.

4. Children growing up to hate and fear science and scientists, because science disproves their parents' religion - leading to appalling scientific illiteracy.

5. Tens of thousands tortured and killed as witches (a practice which still continues today).

6. People aren't making the most of this life because of their belief in an afterlife.

7. People dying because they believe their faith makes them immune to snake venom, or other lethal aspects of reality.

8. People dying - and letting their children die - because their religion forbids accepting medical help.

9. People choked, starved, poisoned, or beaten to death during exorcisms.

10. Genital mutilation of babies endorsed by religious texts.

11. Psychological and physiological conditions blamed on demons, preventing believers from seeking medical care for themselves and their children.

12. People disowning family members for leaving their religion.

13. Friendships and romances severed or never started over religious differences.

14. "Abstinence-only" sex education, resulting in five times the amount sexually transmitted diseases and teenage pregnancies - often leading to ill-fated "emergency" marriages.

15. Women having septic abortions—or being forced to have unwanted children they resent—because religious organizations have gotten laws passed making abortion illegal or inaccessible.

16. Censorship (often destructive) of speech, art, books, music, films, poetry, songs and, if possible, thought.

17. The demonization of other religions, e.g. Christianity demonizing Pagans ("They're devil-worshipers!")

18. Children spending the period of their lives when the brain is most receptive to learning new information reading, rereading, and even memorizing religious texts.

19. People who believe the world is about to end neglect their education, are not financially responsible, and in extreme cases take part in mass suicides.

20. Long-term environmental issues ignored because of beliefs that the rapture/apocalypse or something will happen soon, so they don't matter.

(cont.)
Scrooge

Phoenix, AZ

#725053 May 6, 2014
21. Wives told they will be tortured forever if they leave their abusive husbands (and vice versa).

22. Holy wars - followers of different faiths (or even the same faith) killing each other in the name of their (benevolent, loving and merciful) gods.

23. The destruction of great works of art considered to be pornographic/blasphemous, and the persecution of the artists.

24. Slavery condoned by religious texts.

25. Children traumatized by vivid stories of eternal burning and torture to ensure that they'll be too frightened to even question religion.

26. Terminal patients in constant agony who would end their lives if they didn't believe it would result in eternal torture.

27. School boards having to spend time and money and resources on the fight to have evolution taught in the schools.

28. Persecution of "heretics"/scientist s, like Giordano Bruno (burned at the stake) and Galileo Galilei.

29. Blue laws forcing other businesses to stay closed or limit sales, while churches can generate more revenue.

30. Mayors, senators, and presidents voted into office not because they're right for the job, but because of their religious beliefs.

31. Abuse of power, authority and trust by religious leaders (for financial gain or sexual abuse of followers and even children).

32. People accepting visual and auditory hallucinations unquestioningly as divine, sometimes with fatal results.

33. Discrimination against atheists, such as laws stating they may not hold public office or testify in court, or in half a dozen countries around the world, laws requiring their execution

34. Missionaries destroying/converting smaller, "heathen" religions and cultures.

35. Hardship compounded by the guilt required to reconcile the idea of a fair god with reality ("why is God punishing me? What have I done wrong? Don't I have enough faith?").

36. Human achievements—from skillful surgery to to emergency landings—attributed to gods instead of to the people actually responsible.

37. Mother Teresa, prolonging the agony of terminal patients and denying them pain relief, so she can offer their suffering as a gift to her god.

38. Tens of billions annually in the US alone spent to build, maintain, and staff houses of worship.

39. Grief and horror caused by the belief that dead friends and family members are tortured as punishment for disbelief.

40. Natural disasters and other tragedies used to claim God is displeased and present demands to avoid similar events (it's like terrorism, but without having to plan or do anything).

“Faith = Trust”

Since: Mar 14

Location hidden

#725054 May 6, 2014
Scrooge wrote:
<quoted text>
Projection is an instinctive defense mechanism for religiously retarded imbeciles.
And you demonstrate it so well. Do you practice or does it come naturally to you?
IPSEC

United States

#725055 May 6, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not sure why that wouldmake you so happy. The FFRC filed a complaint stating that local, city, state or federal "Townhall meetings" and the like should not and cannot begin with a prayer.
The Supreme Court basically told them the pound sand, Americans can pray if they choose and there's nothing you atheists can do about it.
I know you want to center it around Christianity, but that is a typical atheist deceitful tactic. The Supreme Court did not uphold only Christian prayer, it upheld the right of every American to pray however they choose to pray, if they choose to pray at all.
So if you ever attend your local Townhall meetings, be prepared to sit in silence while everyone else prays...
Oh, and please don't lie and say there was a mosque at the WTC, there was only a Muslim prayer room on the 17th floor of the south tower of the World Trade Center. A prayer room is not a mosque.
He explained in an articulate post why it made him happy and you return with this falderal.

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#725056 May 6, 2014
Ghost Writer 2 You wrote:
<quoted text>
I apply it to atheists in the context of not understanding the Christian faith from within. To those who say they were Christians, I say they really weren’t. They may have dabbled in it superficially, or explored it enthusiastically, but there was no depth of understanding. They got confused, or frustrated and quit.
The same could be said about you, who allegedly used to be an "antagonistic agnostic".

I could suppose that you were too cowardly, tired and confused to keep searching so decided, in defeat; to join a cult so you didn't have to think anymore.

[QUOTE who="Ghost Writer 2 You]<quoted text>
It’s much easier to criticize what is not understood. And there’s no way to understand it if it’s not experienced at the deepest levels of our being. Having been an antagonistic agnostic, I know both sides. I’m glad I had the courage to go forward rather than quit and sulk away in defeat.[/QUOTE]

Yet, here you are criticising that which you do not understand.

Many people "know both sides", some even know them from every order and angle available.

I must admit, you make a good antagonistic christian, just like the jesus character.
He was a liar and set out to judge, discriminate and hate people too. Didn't he?

I don't believe for a moment that you were ever anything other than a mindless, religinut christian liar.

http://thefunniestpictures.com/wp-content/upl...

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#725057 May 6, 2014
Aerobatty wrote:
Alito seems to have contradicted himself in two sentences. Separation is the cornerstone. Getting rid of it was long overdue? WTF?!
When you see "The Borowitz Report," think political satire like The Onion.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#725058 May 6, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>You are blinded by left wing science.

Where's the evidence to support your claim? Where is the evidence that life arose from non-life or that life even *can* arise from non-life?
There are plenty of science books written for the non scientist out there.

Pick one up some time.

Do you think the iron atoms in your blood are any different than the iron atoms in a chunk of steel?

Do you think the calcium atoms in your body are any different than the calcium atoms in a piece of chalk?

Do you think the carbon atoms in your body, the carbon that is the very backbone of life as we know it, is any different than the carbon in a lump of charcoal?

Well, do ya?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#725059 May 6, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Awesome. Do so and I will applaud your courage and tenacity.

Ain't freedom neat?
Yup.

And when it starts happening all over, many hypocritical Christians are going to be all up in arms.

Maybe literally...

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#725060 May 6, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>"Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being."

That is life from life, not life from non-life.
So...the dust of the ground is life?

Hoo gnu?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#725061 May 6, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>You act like that's something new. Prayer has always been allowed, the government has no right to stop it anywhere.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

That does not say or imply "government agencies or persons employed by the government can't pray".
And yet, the government just made a law respecting the establishment of religion.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#725062 May 6, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>When you see "The Borowitz Report," think political satire like The Onion.
Phew!
SLOPPY TRACK

Louisville, KY

#725063 May 6, 2014
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

Speaking of fairy tales !!! This is better than Jack and the Beanstalk..

Hey Scrooge, your Mudda was a mudda !! LOL !!
andet1987

Chicago, IL

#725064 May 6, 2014
No Shiite wrote:
<quoted text>Miracles. That's utter hogwash.
there is nothing hogwash when it comes to Miracles. Miracles happen, yesterday, today, and tomorrow. they are proofs of God's existence.

http://www.godtube.com/watch/...

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#725065 May 6, 2014
No Shiite wrote:
<quoted text>Never has a Christian been willing to do a line by line interpretive dance to illustrate what is literal, allegory, metaphor, or personal interpretation. What are the odds of any two Christians agreeing in such an experiment.
When they do so, two things happen.

1. They realize that the various denominations and sects of Christianity do NOT agree on much.

2. They realize that they contradict themselves by using the same verse literally and figuratively depending on what church doctrine they want to support.

Any sane person who really investigates and studies Christianity will run from it like a man fleeing a burning building.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#725066 May 6, 2014
No Shiite wrote:
<quoted text>Miracles. That's utter hogwash.
I see "miracles" everywhere all the time.

The reality of the Universe revealed by science reveals far greater "miracles" than anything in any religions scribblings and babbling.
STEAL SCROOGE THUNDER

Louisville, KY

#725067 May 6, 2014
You're ignorant, cowardly, bigoted, arrogant, brainwashed, delusional, insane, sociopathic, narcissistic and pathological.

Most importantly, you're a traitorous godbot who has surrendered control of your mind and free will to a cult that is the most divisive political force in our country's history.

As such, you're a national embarrassment, disgrace to the human race and complete waste of a sperm cell.

Simply stated, our country and the world will be a better place without gutless, spineless, weak-willed, lily-livered and death-denying punks like you.

SLOPPY TRACK wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A biogenesis
Speaking of fairy tales !!! This is better than Jack and the Beanstalk..
Hey Scrooge, your Mudda was a mudda !! LOL !!
andet1987

Chicago, IL

#725068 May 6, 2014
Scrooge wrote:
https://www.facebook.com/Ameri canAtheists/posts/101523692143 42418:0
A list of 40 harmful effects of Christianity:
1. The discouragement of rational, critical thought.
2. Vilification of homosexuality, resulting in discrimination, parents disowning their children, murder, and suicide.
3. Women treated like second-class citizens based on religious teachings.
4. Children growing up to hate and fear science and scientists, because science disproves their parents' religion - leading to appalling scientific illiteracy.
5. Tens of thousands tortured and killed as witches (a practice which still continues today).
6. People aren't making the most of this life because of their belief in an afterlife.
7. People dying because they believe their faith makes them immune to snake venom, or other lethal aspects of reality.
8. People dying - and letting their children die - because their religion forbids accepting medical help.
9. People choked, starved, poisoned, or beaten to death during exorcisms.
10. Genital mutilation of babies endorsed by religious texts.
11. Psychological and physiological conditions blamed on demons, preventing believers from seeking medical care for themselves and their children.
12. People disowning family members for leaving their religion.
13. Friendships and romances severed or never started over religious differences.
14. "Abstinence-only" sex education, resulting in five times the amount sexually transmitted diseases and teenage pregnancies - often leading to ill-fated "emergency" marriages.
15. Women having septic abortions—or being forced to have unwanted children they resent—because religious organizations have gotten laws passed making abortion illegal or inaccessible.
16. Censorship (often destructive) of speech, art, books, music, films, poetry, songs and, if possible, thought.
17. The demonization of other religions, e.g. Christianity demonizing Pagans ("They're devil-worshipers!")
18. Children spending the period of their lives when the brain is most receptive to learning new information reading, rereading, and even memorizing religious texts.
19. People who believe the world is about to end neglect their education, are not financially responsible, and in extreme cases take part in mass suicides.
20. Long-term environmental issues ignored because of beliefs that the rapture/apocalypse or something will happen soon, so they don't matter.
(cont.)
then why is it that Christianity is the number one when it comes to number of members ? Christianity is the biggest religion. why ?:)

http://chartsbin.com/view/3nr

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#725069 May 6, 2014
Divinity Surgeon wrote:
Gotham and Metropolis are both New York City. Metropolis had Toronto's skyline originally and still has aspects of it but became New York over time.
^^^seriously, duh, of course they are both New York^^^
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolis_ (comics)
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotham_City
http://www.supermansupersite.com/metropolis2....
Correct. The creators even said so:

"Writer/artist Frank Miller has stated that Metropolis is New York in the daytime and Gotham City is New York at night."

Bopik, Barry (2008-03-29). "The Big Apple"

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