Prove there's a god.

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#707035 Mar 25, 2014
Ghost Writer 2 You wrote:
Okay sir, that's your conclusion. But have you ever read or studied any of it in depth **without** making 'a priori' assumptions that it's myth?
I certainly have.

*a posteriori* conclusions are subservient to the data; data is not subservient to conclusions. The conclusion is reached after the data or facts have been observed. Only data or fact that can be verified are utilized in the conclusion.

*a priori* conclusions are subservient to the conclusion; data is subservient to the conclusion. The conclusion is made, then the data or facts are observed. The facts or data are rejected or accepted based on the conclusion.

Christian Theology and apologetic begins with *a priori* conclusions and rarely employs *a posteriori* methodology.

I've noticed that when theologians apply a posteriori methodology to their endeavors, they quite often become agnostic or atheist.
Do you know how many different types of theology there are?
There are numerous branches, and some are more concerned with arriving at fact and evidence based conclusions - than others.

That applies to the various disciplines and to individuals.
If you want to label it all as 'mythology' I certainly can't stop you.
There's a reason for that. Maybe I should supply the definition for myth.

Noun: myth
1. A traditional or legendary story, usually concerning some being or hero or event, with or without a determinable basis of fact or a natural explanation, especially one that is concerned with deities or demigods and explains some practice, rite, or phenomenon of nature.
2. A traditional story accepted as history; serves to explain the world view of a people.
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That's why your religious belief is called myth.
However, if you're willing to open your mind to new understandings, it's not a bad idea to crack open one of these heavy volumes and be surprised by what you DIDN'T know.


Comments like that equate to:

"If you only believed what I believe, then you'd believe as I do"
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Since: Feb 14

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#707036 Mar 25, 2014
scaritual wrote:
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Your deity made a direct comparison of the serpent to cattle and the "beasts of the field".... then caused "animosity", between it and humans, implying there was no animosity beforehand.
Because it was some sort of animal.
That you believe, talked.
To a human.

Thou art" cursed above all cattle" (no comparison) and above every beast of the field;
Upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life.

first prophsey

I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and
between thy seed and her seed, it shall bruise thy head,
and thou shalt bruise his heel.
(Spiritual barrier between Satan and Gods people)
Of course it's talking of Jesus on the cross defeating Death.

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Redondo Beach, CA

#707037 Mar 25, 2014
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>If he knew they were guilty he might twitch, reflexively, in front of a jury...bad news for a client.
Serpents twitch even after the heart has stopped beating, nasty, cold undead that they are.
Hey!

Oops, sorry, wrong lasso.

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Redondo Beach, CA

#707038 Mar 25, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Nah. If the money's there, Catch will defend his client, innocence or guilt be damned.
It's not always about the money (although I won't turn it down).

And the result need not be a not guilty verdict for a guilty defendant--sometimes one tries to achieve the best possible result under the circumstances.

And often, the client will tell you it was well worth the investment in a superior attorney.

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Redondo Beach, CA

#707039 Mar 25, 2014
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>I was just playing with him/her. I don't seriously believe catcher's a counselor anymore than I believe that troll IANS is a doctor.
I can't help you anyway.

I'm not licensed to practice in Texas.

Only in the U.S.A.

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Redondo Beach, CA

#707040 Mar 25, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
My ex-wife talks.
She won't shut up.
There's a talking serpent for ya.
Don't you just love it when the Redneck tells us of his sanctified marriage?

Since: May 09

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#707041 Mar 25, 2014
Ghost Writer 2 You wrote:
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And just what academic institution would publish such information if it was known? I hope you're not about to posit a secular institution. By necessity, such information would be a theological concern and would be published by a theological institution. A secular institution would be just as biased as a theological institution. So your proposal for unbiased evidences falls flat. There is still debate raging over the discovered ruins of Jericho as to whether or not it's really the city that Joshua marched around. We say it is, secularly biased archaeologists say it isn't. Now what do we do? ;)
Look at only what can be verified or substantiated.

That's the simplest and most straightforward method.
andet1987

Chicago, IL

#707042 Mar 25, 2014
wilderide wrote:
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Presumably everything is part of God's plan, right? That would certainly include your psoriasis. This is exactly what I don't get about Christians who get all excited when God cures cancer, but don't seem to connect that the cancer itself was also part of God's plan. I mean, if God is omnipotent then how could anything be outside of it's plan or control?
then why does God have millions of followers ? why is God so popular ? i don't think people will love God if he plans cancer, psoriasis, and other illnesses to people. people love God because God helps, heals, and gives guidance. i believe illnesses, epidemics are not part of God's plan. if they are, then God will lose millions of followers, he will not be popular anymore.

who created illnesses and epidemics ? i have no idea. but i am sure it's not God, or else nobody will go to church anymore.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#707043 Mar 25, 2014
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
It's not always about the money (although I won't turn it down).
And the result need not be a not guilty verdict for a guilty defendant--sometimes one tries to achieve the best possible result under the circumstances.
And often, the client will tell you it was well worth the investment in a superior attorney.
Or...

Just avoid the law, then no attorneys are needed.

Since: May 09

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#707044 Mar 25, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
It wasn't just an animal, it was Satan in the form of an animal.
"OH"

hahaaa...
But really, what do you care? This is all myth, right?
It is myth, and I care because many people want that myth to be taught or accepted as a literal reality.

It works like this; a Christian will say - love the sinner, hate the sin - when referring to "sinners".

I say - help the ignorant by eliminating ignorance - when referring to people that believe myth represents a literal reality.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#707045 Mar 25, 2014
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Asking is one thing. Suborning perjury is not proper.
Knowing that your client is innocent is quite another thing.
Double Fine will understand; you won't, you're too busy smelling serpents.
What if you know your client is guilty?

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#707046 Mar 25, 2014
Catcher1 wrote:

Don't you just love it when the Redneck tells us of his sanctified marriage?
My previous marriage was the opposite of sanctified. It was an unholy bonding that provided me with two children, thank God for that.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#707047 Mar 25, 2014
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>"OH"
hahaaa...
<quoted text>
It is myth, and I care because many people want that myth to be taught or accepted as a literal reality.
It works like this; a Christian will say - love the sinner, hate the sin - when referring to "sinners".
I say - help the ignorant by eliminating ignorance - when referring to people that believe myth represents a literal reality.
It's a myth to you, I know.

Is that your belief or your lack of belief?

Since: May 09

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#707048 Mar 25, 2014
pusherman_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Thou art" cursed above all cattle" (no comparison) and above every beast of the field;
Upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life.
first prophsey
I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and
between thy seed and her seed, it shall bruise thy head,
and thou shalt bruise his heel.
(Spiritual barrier between Satan and Gods people)
Of course it's talking of Jesus on the cross defeating Death.


Now you've impugned the entire free will argument, for if the deity knew that the Jesus! was going to have to do something to rectify the situation, then certain events - at a minimum - had to be caused and free will went out the door.

“Faith = Trust”

Since: Mar 14

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#707049 Mar 25, 2014
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text> I certainly have.
*a posteriori* conclusions are subservient to the data; data is not subservient to conclusions. The conclusion is reached after the data or facts have been observed. Only data or fact that can be verified are utilized in the conclusion.
*a priori* conclusions are subservient to the conclusion; data is subservient to the conclusion. The conclusion is made, then the data or facts are observed. The facts or data are rejected or accepted based on the conclusion.
Christian Theology and apologetic begins with *a priori* conclusions and rarely employs *a posteriori* methodology.
I've noticed that when theologians apply a posteriori methodology to their endeavors, they quite often become agnostic or atheist.
<quoted text> There are numerous branches, and some are more concerned with arriving at fact and evidence based conclusions - than others.
That applies to the various disciplines and to individuals.
<quoted text> There's a reason for that. Maybe I should supply the definition for myth.
Noun: myth
1. A traditional or legendary story, usually concerning some being or hero or event, with or without a determinable basis of fact or a natural explanation, especially one that is concerned with deities or demigods and explains some practice, rite, or phenomenon of nature.
2. A traditional story accepted as history; serves to explain the world view of a people.
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That's why your religious belief is called myth.
<quoted text>
Comments like that equate to:
"If you only believed what I believe, then you'd believe as I do"
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You've got it all wrong. "A priori." "formed or conceived beforehand" This is what atheists do.

You assume before hand and also assume we do the same. You look at science using the proper method (as you should) but in matters of theology you assume before looking at the facts. You've already assumed it's myth. Prove me wrong.

If you've truly looked into theology deeply enough, then I have a challenge for you.

I await your reply.

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Redondo Beach, CA

#707050 Mar 25, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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What if you know your client is guilty?
In order to properly answer the question, I would first have to explain our system of justice to you.

Take a look at the lead article in the Latextra section of today's L.A. Times.

We can start there.

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#707051 Mar 25, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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It's a myth to you, I know.
Is that your belief or your lack of belief?
The hallmarks or nature of myth is based upon well known principles.

So, your religious belief is mythology.

That's based upon the available evidence.

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#707052 Mar 25, 2014
Ghost Writer 2 You wrote:
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You've got it all wrong. "A priori." "formed or conceived beforehand" This is what atheists do.
I was a Christian until around age 25. I went to religious schools, etc...

Then I started searching for what I could certainly say represented a "real god".

That was roughly 25 years ago, and I've been atheist ever since that search came up empty handed.
You assume before hand and also assume we do the same. You look at science using the proper method (as you should) but in matters of theology you assume before looking at the facts.
No, theistic belief starts with the assumption or belief that the deity or deities are certainly real. All else in regards to that belief or starting point relates to that one tenet of theism.

I came to the conclusion it(not just your deity story) was a myth, after looking for the parts of the histories I could verify - and that did not include my desire for it to be real.

I began looking to believe. I ended up understanding it was myth.
You've already assumed it's myth. Prove me wrong.
If you've truly looked into theology deeply enough, then I have a challenge for you.
I await your reply.
Then I suppose you have verifiable evidence for your deities existence.

Please present that.

Since: Feb 14

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#707053 Mar 25, 2014
scaritual wrote:
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Now you've impugned the entire free will argument, for if the deity knew that the Jesus! was going to have to do something to rectify the situation, then certain events - at a minimum - had to be caused and free will went out the door.
I never did understand that argument.. We don't have to accept Jesus but obviously it's a better way.

Sovereignty means God is supreme ruler over all. while we are free moral agents,
we are, nevertheless, subject to his sovereign will and purpose. everything IS SUBJECT
to his JUDGEMENT. He is in control, although he works indirectly through others.

Even before Satan could attack Job, He HAD TO get permission from God.

So yeah, we got Free Will but it is subject to his Judgement

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#707054 Mar 25, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Technically, he ate a bunch of gay guys.
That they were Christian gay guys, I don't know.
3/4 are so it's a good chance...you can as andet he prolly knows?

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