Prove there's a god.

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#703127 Mar 17, 2014
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
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Well, since you asked....
Matthew 13:50 “furnace of fire…weeping and gnashing of teeth”
Mark 9:48 “where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched”
Revelation 14:10 “he will be tormented with fire and brimstone””
Revelation 20:14 “This is the second death, the lake of fire”
Revelation 20:15 “If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire”
This is the punishment awaiting non-christians.
Well, according to the myth, anyway. Good thing it's all bullshit.
To hell with the Xian Hell!

Inanna/Ishtar was the real deal, when she went on holidays to the Underworld. So was the Greek god Hades, along with Persephone.
http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/section1/tr141.h...
http://www.halexandria.org/dward385.htm

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#703128 Mar 17, 2014
Divinity Surgeon wrote:
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Hey Rosa!:-)
How they hangin?!

I'm currently up in Queensland, staying with family on the Gold Coast. Hence my new location, it really is a Land of Sunshine. Even in autumn, and even sometimes winter.
:-)

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#703129 Mar 17, 2014
nanoanomaly wrote:
most serious, sane Buddhists would never consider Sam Harris to be a real Buddhist; his "being" is too caught up in hateful, aggressive thoughts and all of his so-called "transcendental" experiences were LSD induced. Hallucinating invalidates his "moments" as being real in any way.
Or maybe this is why. From Killing The Buddha at http://www.samharris.org/site/full_text/killi... :

"Given the degree to which religion still inspires human conflict, and impedes genuine inquiry, I believe that merely being a self-described “Buddhist” is to be complicit in the world’s violence and ignorance to an unacceptable degree."

"Indeed, there are ideas within Buddhism that are so incredible as to render the dogma of the virgin birth plausible by comparison. No one is served by a mode of discourse that treats such pre-literate notions as integral to our evolving discourse about the nature of the human mind. Among Western Buddhists, there are college-educated men and women who apparently believe that Guru Rinpoche was actually born from a lotus. This is not the spiritual breakthrough that civilization has been waiting for these many centuries."

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#703130 Mar 17, 2014
pusherman_ wrote:
<quoted text> True some parts of the Bible are in Metaphors and Parables. Like the Garbage Dump being compared to He!!, which Jesus was obviously speaking in a way that the sheep herders would understand, but they're parts where no Metaphor or Parable is used to describe He!!, it is talked of for just what it is and what to expect when the Judgement is rendered sending you there, like in that link I shared with them that Doc shared, it is plain as day what to expect when "cast down" into the Lake Of Fire and Eternal Damnation.. There is noway one can say that he/she believes in Jesus and the resurrection and that he Ascended into Heaven and not believe that he descended into He!! to preach the word. If they believed he did descend into He!! to preach the word, then say they believe in Heaven as described but not He!!, then they are more fked up than I and that, is really saying something!
You already know my take. The bible says what you want it to say. You find certain scriptures literal and foundational, others like the ones that seem to support a different interpretation, and say that you are misinterpreting the ones you lean on. That makes you just as right as Susue D, or just as wrong.

Let's look at the merits of each of your positions. Yours is more effective in convincing people to worship Jehovah, but is off putting to a lot of modern minds that consider torture beneath the dignity of a loving god. Susie's appeals more to that contingent. The beauty of having you both out there saying opposite things is that you can appeal to both markets.

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#703131 Mar 17, 2014
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
<quoted text>How they hangin?!

I'm currently up in Queensland, staying with family on the Gold Coast. Hence my new location, it really is a Land of Sunshine. Even in autumn, and even sometimes winter.
:-)
I'm further up. Um, what do these words mean? Autumn? Winter?

:/

“Faith = Trust”

Since: Mar 14

Location hidden

#703132 Mar 17, 2014
thewordofme wrote:
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Ghost Writer I had a doctors visit today and I'm a little under the weather. I'll write more tomorrow.
I like to have real conversations instead of flame wars, which seem to be common here. I have been following you a bit and I like your writing and thoughtfulness in your replies.
Bear with me if you will.
By all means. I hope you feel better.:)
tricki

Douglassville, PA

#703133 Mar 17, 2014
hacking computers is punishable by fines and incarceration

“Faith = Trust”

Since: Mar 14

Location hidden

#703136 Mar 17, 2014
Scrooge wrote:
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Remsburg was a teacher for 15 years, a superintendent of public instruction in Atchison County, Kansas for four years, then a writer and lecturer in support of free thought, his lectures being translated into German, French, Bohemian, Dutch, Swedish, Norwegian, Bengali and Singalese. He was also a life member of the American Secular Union, of which he was president from 1897–1900, and a member of the Kansas State Horticultural Society.
http://www.theinfidels.org/zunb-johneremsberg...
John E Remsberg, was born in Fremont, Ohio, Jan. 7, 1848, a son of George J. and Sarah A.(Willey) Remsburg. He enlisted in the Union army at the age of sixteen; married Miss Nora M. Eiler of Atchison, Kan., Oct. 9, 1870; was a teacher for 15 years, then a writer and lecturer in support of free thought, his lectures being translated into German, French, Bohemian, Dutch, Swedish, Norwegian. Bengali and Singalese
No mention of college, and especially no mention of any theological training such as Gerd Luedmann (atheist scholar) had. And you got this from wikipedia. Not the most authoritative source on the net son. Notice there's a lot of "citations needed?" Red flag that a lot of it is made up bullshit. Infidels website? Please. Propaganda machine for mindless cretins like you.
Do you believe everything written in National Enquirer? You know you do. Admit it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Remsburg
tricki

Douglassville, PA

#703137 Mar 17, 2014
The Jesus Puzzle: Did Christianity Begin with a Mythical Christ? Challenging the Existence of an Historical Jesus Paperback by Earl Doherty

"The most compelling argument ever published in support of the theory that Jesus never existed as an historical person."

--Frank Zindler, editor, American Atheist Magazine
An excellent effort that will certainly have an impact on mainstream scholarship, The Jesus Puzzle provides a scientific and convincing analysis of Christianity's formative centuries, essentially proving that Jesus Christ started out as an allegorical and mythical entity, carnalized and historicized during the second century. Doherty's unique approach to the subject is also highly accessible, such that it, along with the efforts of others, will likewise affect the populace at large. As he says:

"But there is no going back. Fundamentalism, still thriving in North America and parts of the third world, will no doubt keep the Gospel Son of God alive for a time, but once the dissolution of the Christian record as a reliable and historical set of documents makes its way fully into public consciousness, it is hard to see how Christianity as a vital force in society will be able to continue."

well, you think by posting this "review" you have proven Jesus is amalgamated? Did you even read the book? i think not. you still run away from your responsibility to prove what you state as fact. that is pathetic. you are A LIAR
tricki

Douglassville, PA

#703138 Mar 17, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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What do these mean to you?
"But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister,‘Raca,’ is answerable to the court. And anyone who says,‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell." — Matthew 5:22
"And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever." - Revelation 20:10
"And if your eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell." — Matthew 18:9
"Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.
Revelation 20:15
SINCE You asked, all of it means nothing. it is FSM garbage. don't spend so much time on a silly, stupid fairy tale. why do you atheists work tirelessly to prove this nonsense is nonsense? that's nonsense

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#703139 Mar 17, 2014
Ghost Writer 2 You wrote:
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Napoleon is considered a historical figure of the modern age. Any history written about events from 1500 to the present are considered to be "modern." This is largely due to the invention of the Gutenberg Press that made mass publication possible. Writers were able to spend less time publishing than writing, whereas before the invention of the press, writers researched, wrote, and published by hand. This is why the books of the Bible aren't as long as we would expect in our own modern age. Letters and drawings (sketches) of Napoleon are still preserved in fairly good condition in contrast to documents from 2,000 plus years ago.
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Yes. All four gospels record Jesus' birth, key life events, and death. In the ancient era, biographies concentrated on significant events and paid less attention to smaller details. The deeds of a person were more important than appearances. The fact that Matthew and Luke go to great lengths to establish Jesus geneology is impressive because such details are rare in other ancient biographies. Jesus early years weren't considered as important because other than staying behind at the Temple in Jerusalem when He was 12, Jesus really didn't do much of anything to call attention to Himself. He was above average in intelligence and maturity, but still was a typical Palestinian male adolescent and young adult carpenter until He began His ministry. The use of language and cultural references to other key events tell us that these were attempts at biographies. Primitive by far in contrast with what we call a biography today, but still biographies nonetheless. Hope this helps.
That helps very much, thanks!
tricki

Douglassville, PA

#703140 Mar 17, 2014
feces for jesus wrote:
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Hearsay aside, hell is not used in the bible. The word did not exist until 700 years after your storybook was written. Hel has nothing to do with your religion. You can have your imaginary realm of fiery torture, but it certainly has nothing to do with Hel.
beautiful

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#703141 Mar 17, 2014
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
Unreasonable faith:
There is some invisible "god" always watching over me, although there's no evidence of it.
Is that more or less unreasonable than having a god of boundaries, protector of personal property, "Terminus"?

lol

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#703142 Mar 17, 2014
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
You make the claim your christ is real; *you* have to prove it.
No I don't. What makes you believe that?
tricki

Douglassville, PA

#703143 Mar 17, 2014
"in support of free thought"

if you hate christians, god and the buybull, freethought stuff is out of sight.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#703144 Mar 17, 2014
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
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http://www.soulwinning.info/hell/biblical_evi...
You were saying?
I was gonna ask why you'd bother linking to a SuperFundie! site to make your point...

You know that shit is written by David J. Stewart, who thinks rock n roll, Oprah and Boston (band) are of the devil? lol

He also thinks HeeHaw was a soul-destroying TV show and he's anti-Catholic.

Strange that you'd use that as your "source"....

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#703145 Mar 17, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
What church taught you about eternal damnation?
It aint necessarily so wrote:
The Christian church.
Which one?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#703146 Mar 17, 2014
stuck in a lodi wrote:
#2....This is why the process doesn't matter, it refutes the miraculous portion of the story. Yes of course King David is real, the Jesus figure as the son of god is questionable.
Ghost Writer 2 You wrote:
It doesn't refute the miraculous portion of the story. Mary was descended from King David.
Joseph was also descended from King David but was Jesus' father by ADOPTION. In Hebrew culture this carried just as much weight as biological fatherhood. Our own modern attitudes towards adoption don't count. So by the power of the Holy Spirit, and the DNA of Mary, Jesus was still descended from King David.
Well put.

Notice how the Topix Atheist! readily accepts that King David was real but Jesus is "questionable"?

Lol

“The Bible is no science book”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#703147 Mar 17, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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You just posted, "If the seven points I discussed aren't upheld as true, then no, they aren't Christians."
Here's the problem for a skeptic like me: You're juggling ideas in what appears to be arbitrary mental gymnastics in the service of a private belief, and then discussing them as if they're objectively true and definitive
"When the philosopher's argument becomes tedious, complicated, and opaque, it is usually a sign that he is attempting to prove as true to the intellect what is plainly false to common sense”- Edward Abbey
IMO the only tenet of Christianity that matters to any of them, is the original sin part. That is the beginning of all. You are preached at and taught from birth that you are a spiritual worm and condemned to die if you do not achieve redemption and forgiveness for being born a human. Then religion throws you a life line if you humble yourselves and obey without question. That is when the hook catches you in the mouth.

By the time you are preadolescent, you know right from wrong, you have disobeyed your parents and done a lot of things you feel guilty of doing, so religion has a way of making you feel better by praying for forgiveness and a really, really good preacher can make you feel like crying your eyes out, cause after all we are human. So, another little faithful Christian is born. And empties out his pockets every Sunday.

Control is the number one objective of every Abrahamic religion. Look how the muslims are controlled. Believe me, they don't talk back or even say they don't believe in Mohammed. That could be a death sentence.

Since: Feb 14

Location hidden

#703148 Mar 17, 2014
Divinity Surgeon wrote:
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I'm further up. Um, what do these words mean? Autumn? Winter?
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Wow, so you really never seen seasons change? Autumn is such a beautiful thing here in the mountains. Truly a work of Art by mouth nature.

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