Prove there's a god.

Since: Feb 14

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#702182 Mar 14, 2014
Susie D wrote:
<quoted text> Thank you for the input, but I will let Jesus guide me rather than you. It is obvious to me that you lack the understanding and wisdom, but that usually comes with time.
Now Susie, how can you say Jesus is guiding you, when you don't believe what He said? please explain to me, how you take what he says about it? and believe you me, I will understand very much so..
Ghost Writer

Rome, NY

#702183 Mar 14, 2014
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>
Please do. Be aware though, it will be difficult if not impossible for you to convince me that requiring torture is loving behavior.
Okay, here we go. Buckle up that sharp intellect of yours. It could be a bumpy ride.:)

(I almost said "wild ride" but didn't want you to think I was making a pun of your screen name- it was accidental until I noticed that you spelled it Wilde - I presume for Oscar? LOL)

The reason I answered yes is because of the nature of the relationship between God and Jesus. In John 1:1 the theological context is that Jesus is the begotten Son of God, and is the representative of God. He has been with God since the beginning of creation, and shared in God's purposes.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
-John 1:1 (NIV)

Therefore, Jesus and Yahweh are intertwined from time eternal, spiritually wrapped up in one another. Their souls are connected in that father-son intimate bond.

When Daniel wrote his prophecy about the Messiah being "cut off" it was a reference to God's judgement against sin being placed on the shoulders of the Messiah, and would give the appearance that nothing had been accomplished.

"After this period of sixty-two sets of seven, the Anointed One will be killed, appearing to have accomplished nothing, and a ruler will arise whose armies will destroy the city and the Temple. The end will come with a flood, and war and its miseries are decreed from that time to the very end." -Daniel 9:26 (NLT)

This is indeed what happened when Jesus was crucified. Only non-Roman criminals were crucified, and it was culturally viewed as a curse. It was believed that nothing good could come from being crucified. Jesus' disciples went into hiding after His arrest and subsequent execution.

Isaiah 53:4-6 tells us about God's judgement coming down on the only one who could shoulder such a heavy load.

4 Yet it was our weaknesses he carried; it was our sorrows that weighed him down. And we thought his troubles were a punishment from God for his own sins! 5 But he was wounded and crushed for our sins. He was beaten that we might have peace. He was whipped, and we were healed! 6 All of us have strayed away like sheep. We have left God's paths to follow our own. Yet the LORD laid on him the guilt and sins of us all.-Isaiah 53:4-6

Jesus suffered physically yes. But the worst suffering came in the form of being cut off from His father. Punishment was coming down and Jesus took the collective punishment of death (eternal separation from God) for all who had lived and all who would ever live. But it goes further than that. Jesus went through with this in perfect obedience in our place. Not only did He die for us, but He lived perfectly for us as well. This is the other part of the theological lesson that people forget. It was as if God was placing judgement on the one person who DIDN'T deserve it, in order to decorate us with the highest honor, so we could have eternal life in the presence of God.

He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.-2 Corinthians 5:21 (NASB)

Jesus died in our place and perfectly obeyed in our place. A person who is born again is born in spirit and not bodily. The regenerated spiritual person then tries to imitate Christ's love for others in appreciation for those two concepts. Sacrificial love and perfect obedience.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#702184 Mar 14, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
OOOH you get so sensitive when someone that's actually skeptical criticizes your precious science.
Good times.
Oh, criticism? Is that what you were trying for?

Alas, it came out as ignorance and brainwashing.

Since: Feb 14

Location hidden

#702185 Mar 14, 2014
Susie D wrote:
<quoted text>Or I read it for deepier meaning.
Deeper Meaning, hahaha! Susie, you believe in Heaven but not He!!.. A person separated from God, by unbelief, is in the He!! you describe now!! but Jesus' deeper meaning is it will be more so after Death! What was the point in describing He!! and comparing it to that Garbage Dump? He wasn't just trying to scare them, haha! the deeper meaning of what he was saying, is eluding you there for sure. Earthly separation from God for an unbeliever is the He!! that you see but you're not seeing the deeper meaning (Spiritual) that Jesus describe..

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#702186 Mar 14, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Scientists lie when they preach something as a fact without knowing whether or not it's a fact.
Coffee is good for you, no it's bad, no wait it's good.
Wine is good for you, no it's bad, no wait it's good.
The universe is infinite, not it's finite, no now it's infinite again.
Look at the ninth planet on our solar system, no wait that's not a planet.
The atom is the smallest matter to exist, no wait it's the proton. No wait, it's the quark.
Until the 1950s, science lied to us, telling us that proteins were the key to our genetic material,now they say it's DNA. Are they right this time?
They taught that that bad air causes infections, no wait it's bacteria. Are they right this time?
Cigarettes were advertised as healthy in medical journals back in the 30s and 40s, now they say they aren't healthy. Are they right yet?
Up until 2005 (2005!), it was taught that stress causes ulcers, now they say it's bacterium. Are they right?
They told us the Piltdown chicken was real, then they said it was a hoax.
Science told us that cold fusion is the wave of the future, now they tell us that no one has created it.
Science used to tell us that chicken dung cured baldness, then they said it didn't.
Science should teach us nothing until they are 100% certain that what they're preaching is fact, or start with "We think this..." about everything they preach.
Science actually does pepper almost everything with "it appears", or words to that effect.

There are exceptions, of course - gravity, for example, is absolutely real.
Ghost Writer

Rome, NY

#702187 Mar 14, 2014
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, actually, omnipotence does mean unlimited power, i.e., without limits. And I got that definition from the dictionary. Omni = total or complete. But as you see, omnipotence is self-contradictory.
No. Our understanding of omnipotence is what makes it seem contradictory. Can anyone make a square circle? No. Can anyone make 2+2=5? No. Can anyone make a one-ended stick? No.

Omnipotence cannot overcome the law of non-contradiction. "A" and "not A" cannot both be true at the same time in the same way.

Omnipotence refers to the total amount of power that can be possessed without transgressing the laws of logic. The problem is that we misunderstand omnipotence because as a general rule, we aren't omnipotent. We therefore envision omnipotence as being able to do ANYTHING even if it defies the laws of logic. And it just simply can't do that.
Ghost Writer

Rome, NY

#702188 Mar 14, 2014
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Science actually does pepper almost everything with "it appears", or words to that effect.
There are exceptions, of course - gravity, for example, is absolutely real.
Yes it is. I've fallen on ice twice this winter. Gravity hates me. LOL

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#702189 Mar 14, 2014
Reverend Alan wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =KKgHc6bWqZ4XX Walter Williams
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/oklahoma-fox-stati...

When Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey premiered on Fox last Sunday, it was the first time in decades that a show dedicated to science was appearing on prime time on a major network. The show’s host, Neil deGrasse Tyson, has a knack for making seemingly non-controversial statements that never-the-less get under the skin of America’s religious conservatives.

Tyson waited until the last ten minutes of the show’s premiere to bring up the theory of evolution. But just before he described how humans “stood up and parted ways from” our ancestors, viewers in Oklahoma City were treated to sharp mid-scene cutaway to a local news promo. After about 15 seconds, when Tyson had finished talking about the human transition to “standing on two feet,” the station returned to the show.

KOKH Fox 25 responded to the controversy surrounding the edit on Twitter, saying they “regret” the “operating error.”

Sunday, during @COSMOSonTV, a local news promo was aired over a portion of COSMOS content. This was an operator error & we regret the error.

— KOKH FOX 25 (@OKCFOX) March 12, 2014

Accidental coincidence? Or deliberate effort by that Oklahoma station to scrub evolution from Cosmos’ premiere? Take a look at both versions of the scene and see what you think.

Watch the edited video below, via KOKH-TV:

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#702190 Mar 14, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Science used to tell us that chicken dung cured baldness, then they said it didn't.
They have to be Orpington chickens.

You dummy.

You used the wrong dung!

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#702192 Mar 14, 2014
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh please; I hope you not presenting yourself as someone who takes skepticism seriously, or applies it universally.
BTW, unlike religion, science thrives on being questioned.
Yes, I take skepticism seriously.

Science also thrives on assumption.
Scrooge

Scottsdale, AZ

#702193 Mar 14, 2014
Ghost Writer wrote:
the nature of the relationship between God and Jesus.
Let me stop you here. There's absolutely no relationship between god and the biblical Jesus. The bible is a plagiarized work of fiction not a history book.

A person lacking the capacity to differentiate fantasy from reality is insane. You're a certifiably insane whack job making a complete ass of yourself in an international forum. It's time to cease posting here to support your own inane delusions and seek professional help for your mental illness.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#702194 Mar 14, 2014
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Science actually does pepper almost everything with "it appears", or words to that effect.
There are exceptions, of course - gravity, for example, is absolutely real.
These don't say anything about "it appears". They present their arguments as absolute fact.

http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/age.html

http://www.space.com/24054-how-old-is-the-uni...

http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php...

There's hundreds of sites like those, claiming theory is fact.
Scrooge

Scottsdale, AZ

#702195 Mar 14, 2014
Reverend Alan wrote:
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/okl ahoma-fox-station-cut-only-men tion-of-evolution-from-cosmos/
When Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey premiered on Fox last Sunday, it was the first time in decades that a show dedicated to science was appearing on prime time on a major network. The show’s host, Neil deGrasse Tyson, has a knack for making seemingly non-controversial statements that never-the-less get under the skin of America’s religious conservatives.
Tyson waited until the last ten minutes of the show’s premiere to bring up the theory of evolution. But just before he described how humans “stood up and parted ways from” our ancestors, viewers in Oklahoma City were treated to sharp mid-scene cutaway to a local news promo. After about 15 seconds, when Tyson had finished talking about the human transition to “standing on two feet,” the station returned to the show.
KOKH Fox 25 responded to the controversy surrounding the edit on Twitter, saying they “regret” the “operating error.”
Sunday, during @COSMOSonTV, a local news promo was aired over a portion of COSMOS content. This was an operator error & we regret the error.
— KOKH FOX 25 (@OKCFOX) March 12, 2014
Accidental coincidence? Or deliberate effort by that Oklahoma station to scrub evolution from Cosmos’ premiere? Take a look at both versions of the scene and see what you think.
Watch the edited video below, via KOKH-TV:
It was probably just a mistake. However, I'm surprised Cosmos is airing on Fox and wouldn't be surprised if some affiliates are pressured into not carrying it locally.

Since: Sep 13

United States of America

#702196 Mar 14, 2014
Susie D wrote:
<quoted text> I fear I could answer them, but you would not understand anyway so why waste my time :) The Bible is not black and white like you think, but naturally you wouldn't get that either.
Whatever you want to believe Susie Homemaker, I mean Susie D.

Well, I can tell you Susie, that I'm not religious, and it's pretty obvious that I have a better understanding of what is written and it's supposedly interpretation than you do, and you're confessing to be a follower of his word.
That was/is the reason I wrote that I'm confused. That confusion had nothing to do with my knowledge of what is written within the pages of the bible.

The Fear I had of addressing other questions to you was one more out of concern for your mental state of being, which I consider to be already on shaky ground.

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#702197 Mar 14, 2014
Christian Polling Group Finds Atheists Divorce Less Than Christians

http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/christia...

An Evangelical Christian pollster finds that atheists commit less crimes, divorce less, and are better educated than their fellow Christians.“It is obvious that you do not have to believe in a higher power in order to live a moral and successful life. Quite the opposite,” the Knoxville News‘ Al Westerfield writes of the study, adding that “the groups with the highest crime rate, the poorest marriages and the lowest education continually strive to force their beliefs on the nonreligious. And the politicians pander to them. Why else would they pass laws to put religion in the schools and on courthouse facades? And then they wonder why the godless could possibly be upset.”
ChristINSANITY is EVIL

Windsor, Canada

#702198 Mar 14, 2014
Ghost Writer wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay, here we go. Buckle up that sharp intellect of yours. It could be a bumpy ride.:)
(I almost said "wild ride" but didn't want you to think I was making a pun of your screen name- it was accidental until I noticed that you spelled it Wilde - I presume for Oscar? LOL)
The reason I answered yes is because of the nature of the relationship between God and Jesus. In John 1:1 the theological context is that Jesus is the begotten Son of God, and is the representative of God. He has been with God since the beginning of creation, and shared in God's purposes.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
-John 1:1 (NIV)
Therefore, Jesus and Yahweh are intertwined from time eternal, spiritually wrapped up in one another. Their souls are connected in that father-son intimate bond.
When Daniel wrote his prophecy about the Messiah being "cut off" it was a reference to God's judgement against sin being placed on the shoulders of the Messiah, and would give the appearance that nothing had been accomplished.
"After this period of sixty-two sets of seven, the Anointed One will be killed, appearing to have accomplished nothing, and a ruler will arise whose armies will destroy the city and the Temple. The end will come with a flood, and war and its miseries are decreed from that time to the very end." -Daniel 9:26 (NLT)
This is indeed what happened when Jesus was crucified. Only non-Roman criminals were crucified, and it was culturally viewed as a curse. It was believed that nothing good could come from being crucified. Jesus' disciples went into hiding after His arrest and subsequent execution.
Isaiah 53:4-6 tells us about God's judgement coming down on the only one who could shoulder such a heavy load.
4 Yet it was our weaknesses he carried; it was our sorrows that weighed him down. And we thought his troubles were a punishment from God for his own sins! 5 But he was wounded and crushed for our sins. He was beaten that we might have peace. He was whipped, and we were healed! 6 All of us have strayed away like sheep. We have left God's paths to follow our own. Yet the LORD laid on him the guilt and sins of us all.-Isaiah 53:4-6
Jesus suffered physically yes. But the worst suffering came in the form of being cut off from His father. Punishment was coming down and Jesus took the collective punishment of death (eternal separation from God) for all who had lived and all who would ever live. But it goes further than that. Jesus went through with this in perfect obedience in our place. Not only did He die for us, but He lived perfectly for us as well. This is the other part of the theological lesson that people forget. It was as if God was placing judgement on the one person who DIDN'T deserve it, in order to decorate us with the highest honor, so we could have eternal life in the presence of God.
He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.-2 Corinthians 5:21 (NASB)
Jesus died in our place and perfectly obeyed in our place. A person who is born again is born in spirit and not bodily. The regenerated spiritual person then tries to imitate Christ's love for others in appreciation for those two concepts. Sacrificial love and perfect obedience.
Don't you get tired of making up BS about an. Imaginary deity?
ChristINSANITY is EVIL

Windsor, Canada

#702199 Mar 14, 2014
seniorplacement wrote:
I think rather than see proof I'd rather just decide myself.
On what Evidence do you base your decisions

www.godchecker.com

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#702200 Mar 14, 2014
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>
So you believe in the validity of Christianity because we use the Gregorian calendar?
If you have a Christmas tree or eat Easter eggs does that turn you into a pagan?
NO - I believe in Christ, and we in the west confirm that He did indeed come 2014 years ago, honoring Him thus with the way in which we measure our time!;-)

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#702201 Mar 14, 2014
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Because you are an unpleasant little person with the morals of a vacuum cleaner, the personality of battery acid, and the soul of of a stock market ticker.
Also as ignorant as the equivalent mass of falling masonry.
And no, I will pass no messages from you to Nymph.
LOL! well at least i got some persecution points (1st coined by nymph?) from you without even trying!:-)

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#702202 Mar 14, 2014
Scrooge wrote:
<quoted text>
It was probably just a mistake. However, I'm surprised Cosmos is airing on Fox and wouldn't be surprised if some affiliates are pressured into not carrying it locally.
lol - anticrister socialist's sure hate fox news!

well i'm really beginning to HATE most all of what's on television/cable, so could you please give me a list of other programs that you hate so i'll know what to watch?:-)

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