Prove there's a god.

RiversideRedneck

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#690699 Feb 1, 2014
Six_Of_One wrote:
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trite... every religion has it hoops to jump through to 'be saved'.
Wouldn't it be so much easier to just have eternity be eternity without having to be subservant to a religious list of tasks 'to be saved'?
Oh wait, then the churches and mosques would go out of business... no wonder those pesky happy-afterlife requirements stick around.
Every religion?

Not every religion has the idea of being saved or born again.

Of course your idea would be easier. Why don't you make it so?

RiversideRedneck

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#690700 Feb 1, 2014
thewordofme wrote:
“You see, the religious people — most of them — really think this planet is an experiment. That’s what their beliefs come down to. Some god or other is always fixing and poking, messing around with tradesmen’s wives, giving tablets on mountains, commanding you to mutilate your children, telling people what words they can say and what words they can’t say, making people feel guilty about enjoying themselves, and like that. Why can’t the gods leave well enough alone? All this intervention speaks of incompetence. If God didn’t want Lot’s wife to look back, why didn’t he make her obedient, so she’d do what her husband told her? Or if he hadn’t made Lot such a shithead, maybe she would’ve listened to him more. If God is omnipotent and omniscient, why didn’t he start the universe out in the first place so it would come out the way he wants? Why’s he constantly repairing and complaining? No, there’s one thing the Bible makes clear: The biblical God is a sloppy manufacturer. He’s not good at design, he’s not good at execution. He’d be out of business if there was any competition.” Contact by Carl Sagan,  pp 285
The Biblical God IS a sloppy manufacturer, think of our body and the adult playground being situated next to the toxic waste dump, and having to eat and breath through the same tube.  If one thinks hard and observes the problem with acuity, you can understand that evolution was our architect…not some mythical invisible god.
If evoluuuuuution was our architect, why did we evolve to have our "adult playground being situated next to the toxic waste dump"?! What's the logical excuse for that?

Or why would a chicken evolve to be as weak and tasty as it did?

Or why would a whale keep it's unneeded pelvis and lungs?

RiversideRedneck

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#690701 Feb 1, 2014
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
I have seen a ufo twice - once in Michigan in the 1970s - early morning hours - around 6am - clear as day. My friend and I were delivering early weekend newspapers and saw something of a disc shape with colored lights circling the middle of the "craft". Turned to each other to chat about it, and then looked back and it was gone. I don't know what it was. It was a classic UFO sighting.
I believe we have been visited by an extraterrestrial life-form of some sort. They are more technologically advanced than we are.
History records sightings in different medias - all over the world.
It just doesn't add up to - "govt interaction". It's more like - "government afraid."
Cheers.
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
I believe we have been visited by an extraterrestrial life-form of some sort. They are more technologically advanced than we are.
HA HA!

RiversideRedneck

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#690702 Feb 1, 2014
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
Dreams are measured via EEG as brain wave activity. We've already told you this. We all know this is not the answer you want, but hey; if you wanted to hear the truth, you wouldn't be a xtian.
Deal with it.
The dream itself is not measurable, Kait. It just isn't.

The content of the dream is purely subjective, you have to choose to believe to person telling about the dream.

If you hooked me up to one of those EEG's and in the morning I told you my dream was about charging rhinos, you wouldn't know if that was true or not.

Why?

Because the dream is not measurable.

RiversideRedneck

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#690703 Feb 1, 2014
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
No, you say, "God is real."
To me, God IS real. My belief is not hinged on whether or not you believe me.
I have no reason to.
Good. Then stop saying "god isn't real" as if it's fact.

It's your opinion.
This is what I mean about you spouting opinion as fact: "God is real" is your opinion.
See how it works, Arr Arr? You are guilty of the crime you accuse me of.
"God is real" is my opinion.

"God isn't real" is your opinion.

Let's see if you can admit that....

RiversideRedneck

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#690704 Feb 1, 2014
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
Your opinions and your beliefs are not proof.
You lose again.
They are proof enough for me.

I can't prove to you that my dream last night was about crocodiles. But it was about crocodiles. I know it was.

Proof enough for me.

It happened without your knowledge or consent or approval.

RiversideRedneck

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#690705 Feb 1, 2014
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
That's what dreams are; brain activity.
And that's all science can detect as far as dreams are concerned.

Was your dream last night about brain activity or electrical impulses?

huh...

The dream cannot be measured or seen or observed or repeated or predicted.

That completely refutes any chance of objectively observing a dream using the scientific method.

Why is this such a hard concept for you? Is it that you just want to be argumentative or is it because you want to "win"?

RiversideRedneck

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#690706 Feb 1, 2014
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
*Of course* you can prove you enjoyed it; by ordering another one!!
Watch that cholesterol.
I didn't order another one, does that mean I didn't enjoy it?

RiversideRedneck

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#690707 Feb 1, 2014
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
No, they *seem* real.
How many times have *you* woken up from a nightmare, just to tell yourself, "It was just a dream?"
Plenty of times, I'm sure we all have.

It really happens in your mind.

It the "just a dream" was really that, why do we wake up scared or lonely or sad?

Years ago, Mrs RR had a dream where I cheated on her. She was "really" pissed at me for like a week - because of the dream...

RiversideRedneck

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#690708 Feb 1, 2014
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
The Woman Marine Pilot...
The teacher gave her fifth grade class an assignment: Get their parents to tell them a story with a moral at the end of it. The next day, the kids came back and, one by one, began to tell their stories.
There were all the regular types of stuff: Spilled milk and pennies saved. But then the teacher realized, much to her dismay, that only Janie was left.
"Janie, do you have a story to share?"
"Yes ma'am. My daddy told me a story about my Mummy. She was a Marine pilot and her plane got hit. She had to bail out over enemy territory, and all she had was a flask of whiskey, a pistol, and a survival knife. She drank the whiskey on the way down so the bottle wouldn't break, and then her parachute landed her right in the middle of 20 Iraqi troops. She shot 15 of them with the pistol, until she ran out of bullets, killed four more with the knife, till the blade broke, and then she killed the last Iraqi with her bare hands."
"Good Heavens," said the horrified teacher. What did your Daddy tell you was the moral to this horrible story?"
"Don't fuck with Mummy when she's been drinking."
~sniggers

An inquisitive little girl asks her mommy; "How old are you?"

Mom answers; "Honey, you never ask a lady that..."

She then asks; "Well, how much do you weigh, mommy?"

Mom says; "You never ask a lady that, either."

Then she asks; "Ok then, why did you and daddy break up?"

Mom replies; "I'll tell you when you're older, sweetheart."

The next day ask school, the little girl tells her friend about this and the friend tells her that she can get answers to all those questions just by reading her mom's drivers license.

Eureka!

When she gets home, the little girl finds mom's license and studies it, then goes to mom...

The girl says; "Mom, I know that you're 35 years old"

Mom says: "Hey, that's right."

The girl says; "I also know that you weigh 135 pounds."

Mom; "Again, you're right."

Then the girl says; "I know why you and dad broke up, too."

Mom says; "Why?"

The girl answers; "Because you failed at sex."
Scrooge

Glendale, AZ

#690710 Feb 1, 2014
_LuvStynx wrote:
JESUS was killed over greed
The biblical Jesus is an amalgamated myth not an historical figure. Unfortunately, you lack the capacity to differentiate Christian mythology from reality. You're a certifiably insane whack job and should be institutionalized to receive the professional care you desperately need.

RiversideRedneck

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#690711 Feb 1, 2014
_LuvStynx wrote:
The purpose isn't about knowing what you Dreamt RR, but to the study as to why people dream, the Measurability is confusing, REM, deep sleep is where most dreams happen, REM, is deep sleep, so in that sense, dreams are measurable but simply not understood why one dreams..does that make sense?
All but the "dreams are measurable" part.

Dreams are not measurable.

Dreaming is. Or at least, the state of dreaming is somewhat measurable.

Knowledge of visual or emotional content of a dream, outside of the verbal and subjective report of the dreamer, is not measurable by science today. Maybe never.
Scrooge

Glendale, AZ

#690714 Feb 1, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
They are proof enough for me.
Your delusions are proof of mental illness. Your cowardice in refusing to seek professional treatment is typical of death-denying cowardly Christian cultists. The brainwashed godbot such as yourself is a national embarrassment, disgrace to the human race and complete waste of a sperm cell. Your self-degrading proselytizing isn't welcomed outside your stone age cult. F*ck off, azzhole!!!
Scrooge

Glendale, AZ

#690715 Feb 1, 2014
_LuvStynx wrote:
Scrooge, my post was in reply as "what if" not as fact..I did post something tho for those who say Jesus was never mentioned o/side of the bible. that post, clearly show's he was.
There are precious few references to the biblical Jesus outside the damn Bible and each is a blatant forgery. Grow up!

RiversideRedneck

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#690716 Feb 1, 2014
_LuvStynx wrote:
<quoted text> True, that would seeing your dream RR, We know that isn't possible, but the dreams are observed with the EEG, brain waves and such, just not in the "visual" sense that you must be talking about. you said it there, "somewhat measurable" . The observation of dreams are measured and seen by brainwave activity..I think the studying of them is more of why now as opposed to how!
The EEG records the brain's spontaneous electrical activity.

When you're hooked up to one and are listening to music, watching images on a TV, playing a guitar, etc, those things are objective to not only the test person but the scientists as well.

While hooked up to one and dreaming, the dream itself is completely subjective to the dreamer only. The scientists see the REM combined with the electrical activity they see on their monitors and assume that they're witnessing the brain's activity while the test person is dreaming.

The state of dreaming is detectable, the dream itself is not.

Dreams cannot be measured today.

RiversideRedneck

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#690717 Feb 1, 2014
Scrooge wrote:
Your delusions are proof of mental illness.
To what delusions do you refer?
Scrooge

Glendale, AZ

#690719 Feb 1, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
To what delusions do you refer?
You should be sharing your dangerous personal delusions regarding your imaginary friend revealing himself to you with mental health care professionals. It isn't healthy for the mentally ill to share their delusions in an online support group with other whack jobs, kid.
henry

Bad Tennstedt, Germany

#690720 Feb 1, 2014
Divinity Surgeon wrote:
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Not only is he incapable of proving the existence of his alleged god but he also does not care that children are starving in his predominantly christian country.
He's too busy posting bullshite on topix.
God is of course never been present. Every Religion is just a lie, fake or a crime like the RCC big Business.
henry

Bad Tennstedt, Germany

#690721 Feb 1, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I believe in Jesus and I do my best to follow His teachings.
That I don't meet your criteria is irrelevant to me.
You would do much better when getting to science. Your life could be much more interesting.
henry

Bad Tennstedt, Germany

#690722 Feb 1, 2014
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
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Depends on the religion.
I'd love to have a beer with the Dalai Lama, for example.
Religions are lies, fake or even crimes.

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