Prove there's a god.

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#687113 Jan 19, 2014
Logo wrote:
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Just straight and simple, you're stupid
And people who believe the following aren't?

Dennis wrote this in 1983

A professor of the Bible and Greek and chairman of the department of Biblical education at Cedarville Bible College, attempted to resolve some of the problems related to the Virgin Birth. He alleged, for example: "Joseph and Mary were legally married or betrothed" (Matt. 1:18). She was called "his wife" twice (Matt. 1:20,24). He was called "her husband" (Matt. 1:19)(The Virgin Birth, by Robert Gromacki, p. 76). Obviously, Gromacki doesn't like the idea of believing his alleged Saviour was illegitimate. Of course, what he has done is opt for the Biblical version that suits his needs, a common ploy of apologists. The KJV of Matthew 1:18 says they were "espoused", which Gromacki equates with "being married," while the Modern Language (ML), the LB, the NWT, and the NI versions clearly say "engaged." There are no valid grounds for equating espoused with being married. Even the RSV and the NASB versions say they were betrothed, i.e. engaged. Gromacki uses the word "married." Although Matthew 1:20, 24 in the KJV strongly imply Mary is Josepj's wife, the ML, the LB, the NAS, and the NI versions show she is not his wife. And while the KJV of Matt. 1:19 says Joseph is Mary's husband, the ML and the LB versions versions refer to Joseph as her fiance. As stated earlier, the version people use depends on what they want to prove. Every Christian is putting his/her money on a Biblical version favored by one group of scholars and taking his/her chances. You could be an expert in Greek and Hebrew and still find scholars who would firmly disagree with your translation of many verses.
In trying to explain why Mary referred to Joseph as Jesus' father, Gromacki says, "In public, Mary had to refer to Jesus as Joseph's son in order not to arouse any suspicion about His origin." (Ibid. p. 75). this explanation is pure speculation, since Gromacki couldn't possibly know Mary's motives, and is also alleging the "Blessed Mother" lied. We are to believe the mother of God deliberately told a falsehood.

In a Life Magazine article Robert Coughlan said: "On the other hand, both Gospel writers (Matthew and Luke) give genealogies showing that Jesus was a descendant of King David through the male line-that is, the line of Joseph--an incongruity increased still more by the fact that the genealogies differ." (Life, Dec. 25, 1964, by Robert Coughlan, p. 90). Apologist Gromacki's response to this was: "If both genealogies did record Joseph's physical lineage, then Coughlan was indeed correct; however, no reputable evangelical embraces that position. Coughlan's rejection of the accuracy of the two genealogies was based upon his subjective equation of the two. He nowhere proved that they both belonged to Joseph." (The Virgin Birth, by Gromacki, p.151). Coughlan doesn't need to "prove it." All one needs to do is read the genealogies in Matt.1 and Luke 3 to see they pertain to Joseph. It's stated quite clearly. The burden of proof lies on the shoulders of Gromacki. He needs to prove the genealogy in Luke 3 pertains to Mary, which isn't possible unless some unwarranted assumptions are made. Her name never appears once in the entire third chapter of Luke. It's rather difficult to believe a geneaology pertains to someone who isn't even mentioned. Another apologist said: "The reason that Mary is not mentioned in Luke 3 is because she has already been designated the mother of Jesus in several instances." (Answers to Tough Questions, by McDowell and Steward, p. 60). Why would this be of significance? The point at issue is not whether Mary is the mother of Jesus, but whether the genealogy in Luke 3 pertains to Mary.

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#687114 Jan 19, 2014
Logo wrote:
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Those are gods created by other people. THE God is the creator of all. And to sum this all up with one word,PRE-DESTINATION.
One of the most prominent figures in modern church history, John Calvin, is strongly associated with a belief that is repugnant to most of Christendom, i.e., predestination. Most biblicists believe that God knows what will occur prior to the event but leaves man free to make the choice. In other words, men are free to choose what God already knows will happen. Calvin, on the other hand, stressed biblical pronouncements to the contrary. God doesn't just know ahead of time; he determines it; he fixes it; he plans it; it's his idea. In reality, Calvin viewed free will as myth. In so doing he highlighted one of the most serious, most prominent contradictions in biblical theology--free will versus determinism. His opponents rightly observed that the abolishment of free will destroys moral responsibility. But unfortunately for them literally scores of verses substantiate his position. An exhaustive list in descending order of strength would include the following:

(1) "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world,.... Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ himself, according to the good pleasure of his will" (Eph. 1:4-5),
(2) "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God to them who are the called according to his purpose. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son,.... Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called...." (Rom. 8:28-30),
(3) "And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord; and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed" (Acts 13:48),
(4) "But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth" (2 Thess. 2:13),
(5) "In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his (not our) own will" (Eph. 1:11),
(6) "For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them" (Eph. 2:10),
(7) "Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you" (John 15:16),
(8) "For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ" (1 Thess. 5:9 RSV),
(9) "A man's heart deviseth his way: but the Lord directeth his steps" (Prov. 16:9),
(10) "He will carry out what he has planned for me, and of many such matters He is mindful" (Job 23:14 Mod. Lang),
(11) "Only, let every one lead the life which the Lord has assigned to him, and in which God has called him" (1 Cor. 7:17 RSV),
(12) "...your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be" (Psalm 139:16 NIV),
(13) "Man's goings are of the Lord; how can a man then understand his own way?" (Prov. 20:24),

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#687115 Jan 19, 2014
irecknso wrote:
<quoted text> I'm not, hence the question mark, but i assume you came here after leaving the church? that would've ment that u were vulnerable. to just leave the church and turn stone cold, which i love, don't just happen w/out some influence. everybodys got questions they want answered but no one can answer them but ourselves, i do mean of the nature of questions here, you must've believed n a god once? i used to go to church n my younger days but it was the virgins i was after and not the word, the words that were spoke by "the jesus" are very meaningful, but 1 has to find the meaning for themself, not the opinions of people on a forum or confined between some walls listening to some hypocrite! peace to you! i mean no offense!
I do take offense

I take offense at your preaching

I take offense at your ridiculous beliefs

I take offense at your lack of education

mostly, I take offense at your attitude

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#687116 Jan 19, 2014
BenAdam wrote:
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RR doesn't even understand the English word "God". Yet he KNOWS he is right.
ROFLMAO
Warming pews will do that to you.

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#687117 Jan 19, 2014
Le_le wrote:
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Hi andet!
Maybe - word associatio (in early08) was the first thread w met on?? I'm
not sure.
I read your description of your miracle. It's up to you if your heart believes that
to be a sign
God is w you.. You know He is..
That's all the proof you need.
If you believe w your heart--- then it's true..
Sending you my friendship- and my best.
When you go to church to warm pews do you use a butt plug?

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#687118 Jan 19, 2014
-RUSH- wrote:
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You will be missed.
Like herpes is missed.

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#687119 Jan 19, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Did you know that "Cap'n" Crunch isn't a Captain?
He's a Commander, based on his stripes.
"Commander Crunch"
My whole childhood unraveled.
http://m.today.com/food/capn-crunch-answers-m ...

And the Jolly Green Giant isn't a giant. There he is holding a pea in his hands and it is the size of a basket ball. If he was a giant the pea would be about the size of a grain of sand.
Scrooge

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#687120 Jan 19, 2014
Reverend Alan wrote:
He did grow up thought didn't he Al. Isn't it time you did the same? I have a message for you from Santa!

SANTA: Dear Al Garcia, Some day you will learn everything there is to know about Santa, and on that day, I want you to remember what all the adults told you about Jesus.
Death-denying coward Al Garcia would rather be a sociopathic punk than grow up and bravely accept his own mortality and the inevitability of being worm food.

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#687121 Jan 19, 2014
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
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You drink it, you're the good little Christian.
Mark 16:18
They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
I just love it when the Bible is quoted. We need a hell of a lot more of it.
Scrooge

Phoenix, AZ

#687122 Jan 19, 2014
Reverend Alan wrote:
Why is it that God always selects the mentally ill to represent him?
I know. Only the mentally ill are so deluded to believe in such an utterly ridiculous fairy-tale!

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#687124 Jan 19, 2014
BenAdam wrote:
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Not a single Christian believes the Bible is true. That verse proves it.
I have some cyanide if any of them wish to prove me a liar.
Exactly right, not a single person claiming to believe actually believes. And if we kept shoving Scripture in front of them we could all go home a lot quicker.

Mark 16:17-18, "And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; they shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them: they shall lays hands on the sick, and they shall recover."

How about all our resident pretend Christians cast out some devils, start with me, then one of you write something in a new tongue and the other one tell us what you wrote, then play with some rattle snakes [Inland Taipan (Oxyuranus microlepidotus) for you Australians] drink a quart of Drano, then go to the amputee ward and restore all their limbs.

God says if you believe you can do all these things. Are you going to call God a liar?

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#687126 Jan 19, 2014
destroy atheism wrote:
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The members of the religion of atheism are too ignorant and blind to see that. Yes, they are crazy. Just hang around a while and you'll see how HATEFUL they are. Taking Kaitlin, Scrooge, and Rev for example. Very bitter-minded atheists.
JESUS: Luke 19:27, "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them, bring them here and kill them in front of me."

JESUS: Luke 14:26, "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters yes, even his own life he cannot be my disciple."

JESUS: Matt. 10:34, NIV "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."

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#687128 Jan 19, 2014
destroy atheism wrote:
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Thanks for sharing your ignorance.
GOD: "Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or that ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on.... Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, not gather into barns; yet your heavenly father feedth them. Are ye not much better than they?"--Matt. 6:25-34 and Luke 12:22-31 inclusive.

It isn't my ignorance it is yours.

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#687130 Jan 19, 2014
destroy atheism wrote:
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The entire universe was created by God. Get over it, you angry moron.
GOD: "Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?"--1 Cor. 11:14

Has anyone ever seen a picture of Jesus with a military style buzz cut?

“Clinton is a Liar, Period!”

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#687131 Jan 19, 2014
karl44 wrote:
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that created your god?
I dont see how it works
explain please
Doesn't work at all. It's what an atheist believes. They actually think that this is what happened.

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#687134 Jan 19, 2014
Just Think wrote:
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Awww…Logo took his ball and went home.
He'll be back with a new name pretending to be someone different and start repeating all the nonsense he already posted.

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#687136 Jan 19, 2014
Just Think wrote:
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Thus sayeth Little Mary Sunshine
<insert eye roll here>
Little Mary Sunshine, now that's funny!

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#687137 Jan 19, 2014
Divinity Surgeon wrote:
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Porta potty doesn't really believe in whatever "god" it's trying to trick us into thinking it believes in.
Exactly, if he did he would sell everything he owns, give the money to the poor, follow Jesus and leave us alone. Every time he posts he is giving God the finger.

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#687141 Jan 19, 2014
Logo wrote:
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No it's what God pre-destined us to go to heaven or he'll( which is where most of the people on this forum that are atheists will go to unless they turn to Jesus for help) and it's what God pre-destined us to be like.
Jesus could not even save him self, why the hell do you think he can save any of us?

Tandis que sur la croix Jésus a dit «Mon Dieu, mon Dieu, pourquoi m'as-tu abandonné»(Marc 15:34. Comment Jésus pourrait-il être notre sauveur alors qu'il n'a pas pu se sauver lui-même? Ce ne sont pas les parole d'un homme mourant volontairment pour nos péchés; ce sont les paroles d'un homme qui peut penser à une centaine d'autres endroits où il voudrait être.

Cuando estaba en la cruz Jesús dijo,ìDios mío, dios mío, porque mehas olvidadoî(Marcos 15:34)¿Cómo puede ser Jesús nuestro Salvador, si no pudo salvarse a si mismo? Esas no son laspalabras de un hombre muriendovoluntariamente por nuestros pecados, son las palabras de un hombre queesta pensando en 100 lugares mejores dondepreferiría estar.

While on the Cross Jesus said, "My God my God, why hast thou forsaken
me" (Mark 15:34). How could Jesus be our savior when he couldn't even
save himself? Those aren't the words of a man voluntarily dying for our
sins; those are the words of a man who can think of a hundred other
places he would rather be.

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#687142 Jan 19, 2014
Divinity Surgeon wrote:
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Why are you here douche bag?
Logo is here to make God look bad. How's he doing? I give him an A+ and a gold star.

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