Prove there's a god.

“Ditat Deus”

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#679315 Dec 19, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>What in the world are you talking about? This isn't relevant at all. I never said anything about 'forcing" someone to like nachos, and I never said I could convince anyone whether or not they would like it. I said that your comparison between the "difficulty" of proving that you like nacho cheese and the actual difficulty of proving a god is nonsensical. Again, if someone says they like something that we know to exist, that claim can be taken at face value. That's all the "evidence" we need, because it is a mundane claim about a mundane thing, and it deals with things that are known to exist - food and preferences. Not so for god.
Also, no one would call me "delusional" for telling them they would like nachos. Are you being serious? They might not agree with me, but again, the existence of nacho cheese and the existence of likes or dislikes is not in question. It's not the same as, say, me telling someone that they would love the tender embrace of apollo, regardless of how much you wish it to be so.
If I tell you I love nacho cheese, you'll likely believe me.

Why?

Because you've experienced the sense of taste and understand the idea of loving and hating different foods.

You have no "sense" of God, you've never experienced Him. So no matter what I say, you won't believe me.

It's like trying to explain to a blind man what the color blue looks like.

“Ditat Deus”

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#679316 Dec 19, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>The existence of entire cultures that have never heard of your god is verification enough. You can be a pedant and claim that everyone who has heard of christianity has spoken to god, as absurd as that claim would be, but since I know you are not above absurdity we will forget that.
We know, for a fact, that your god does not exist as far as many peoples are concerned, currently and throughout history. One would assume that if god could speak to people, his glorious voice wouldn't be limited by cultural trends or geographical boundaries, so the fact that not one of these cultures spontaneously converts until tempted to do so by an outside force is proof enough that he doesn't speak to these people (or really anyone, but whatever).
Now, you will say that god spoke to them but they didn't know it, or some other such nonsense.
Well now you're just assuming that other gods are not God represented differently.

Who are you to assert that?

“Ditat Deus”

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#679317 Dec 19, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Do you suppose that the compilers of the bible had some sort of objective way to tell which books were truly inspired and which weren't?
Answering a question with a question isn't an answer.

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#679318 Dec 19, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
That doesn't mean there's no proof.
There is proof of your hands, but I've never seen that proof.
<quoted text>
Virtually none.
Not none.
<quoted text>
That would be some proof, not no proof.
<quoted text>
LMAO! No, Jesus didn't say that.
Because generation doesn't mean generation when it conflicts with your beliefs.

“Say what you like," we shall be told [by some critics], "the apocalyptic beliefs of the first Christians have been proved to be false. It is clear from the New Testament that they all expected the Second Coming in their own lifetime. And, worse still, they had a reason, and one which you will find very embarrassing. Their Master had told them so. He shared, and indeed created, their delusion. He said in so many words,'This generation shall not pass till all these things be done.' And he was wrong. He clearly knew no more about the end of the world than anyone else." [Here the imaginary critics end speaking. CS Lewis begins next.]

CS Lewis
thewordofme

Tucson, AZ

#679319 Dec 19, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
That doesn't mean there's no proof.
There is proof of your hands, but I've never seen that proof.
<quoted text>
Virtually none.
Not none.
<quoted text>
That would be some proof, not no proof.
<quoted text>
LMAO! No, Jesus didn't say that.
Wordofme...."Jesus said he would be back in his followers lifetime, but never showed. That alone puts the lie to Christ as God."

RR says:
"LMAO! No, Jesus didn't say that."

copy/paste from wikipedia:
"Victor J. Stenger notes that *Jesus* is recorded as saying, " ...there are some standing here, which shall not taste death, till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom ", Matt 16:28. He makes similar predictions in four other places in the Gospels; Mark 9:1, Mark 13:30, Matt 24:34, Luke 9:27. In Stenger's view, when the coming did not happen within the life-times of his disciples, as Jesus prophesied, Christianity changed its emphasis to the Resurrection and promise of eternal life."

As noted above Jesus is recorded as saying this in 3 of the 4 gospels.

What say you?

Since: Sep 11

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#679320 Dec 19, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
<quoted text>
Lack of proof means just that >>> lack of proof.
You demonstrate a lack proof of your god.
Hands are objectively verifiable and one's claim to have hands is not an extraordinary claim.
Your god, like your feelings and dreams, is in your head. You have no proof of your god, your feelings, or your dreams.
You can't provide proof. It's all in your head.
Please, not the hands thing again. He has moved on to nacho cheese, which, while just as dumb, it's at least hilarious.

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#679321 Dec 19, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>What fictional character in a book?
The yaweh war monger who did his mom.

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#679322 Dec 19, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>I wish I had a riding lawn mower, shiiiiiiit....

Alls I got is a self-propelled walk behind mower.
http://youtu.be/E8-SgCcKw48

Admit it, this is you, right?

“I never claimed to be Perfect”

Since: Nov 10

just better than yesterday

#679323 Dec 19, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>I think the same thing, except about thor. So really, it's your responsibility to renounce your heretical ways and ask thor to forgive you for your transgressions. There really is proof if you look for him, trust me. You just gotta believe before you have any reason to believe.
Now you're just being plain silly because the closest you've ever come to worshipping Thor was on Netflix. If you want to walk around silly and Thor.... Then be my guest.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#679325 Dec 19, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
That doesn't mean proof doesn't exist.
Just the lack of it.
I'll settle for evidence.

How much longer will you need?

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#679326 Dec 19, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
"A god would be proof of a god."
o.O
Very astute.
Ask Him, truthfully and honestly.
You'll see.
I wonder what you would say to mother theresa, who spent the last couple decades of her life *begging* to feel the power of god, to speak with him, to even see a tiny sign, and according to her many letters her prayers were never answered. Do you think she was truthful and honest? Would you have the balls to say something to dumb to her?

Why would god ignore mother theresa? You sure seem to make this out to be quite simple - indeed, just "ask him and you'll see." Lol.

“You Can't Throw MeTo TheWolves”

Since: May 10

THEY COME WHEN I CALL

#679327 Dec 19, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
i expect wiccans to rebel against any thing that's virtuous and good, but kait is a bit odd
Says the christian hypocrite who claims he can "cast out demons," "raise the dead," and "walk on water." And you say *I'm* odd??
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>in that she/he is rather politically conservative. so maybe there's a shred of hope for her/him...
I'm not a "conservative," you idiot, I'm a libertarian.

Look it up.

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#679328 Dec 19, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I've got no proof and I can't prove God exists.
So what?
I've also got no proof of your hands and I can't prove they exist.
I also have no proof of DNA and -->I<-- can't prove DNA is real.
Again I ask, so what?
holyfuck

“Ditat Deus”

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#679329 Dec 19, 2013
LuciFerr wrote:
<quoted text>
The yaweh war monger who did his mom.
There was a god war monger that did his mom?

Whew, glad that's not in the Bible.

“You Can't Throw MeTo TheWolves”

Since: May 10

THEY COME WHEN I CALL

#679330 Dec 19, 2013
LuciFerr wrote:
<quoted text>
I think it's not washed properly in some cases.
Hey Kait.
Hey, Luci!

“Ditat Deus”

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#679331 Dec 19, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>
Wordofme...."Jesus said he would be back in his followers lifetime, but never showed. That alone puts the lie to Christ as God."
RR says:
"LMAO! No, Jesus didn't say that."
copy/paste from wikipedia:
"Victor J. Stenger notes that *Jesus* is recorded as saying, " ...there are some standing here, which shall not taste death, till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom ", Matt 16:28. He makes similar predictions in four other places in the Gospels; Mark 9:1, Mark 13:30, Matt 24:34, Luke 9:27. In Stenger's view, when the coming did not happen within the life-times of his disciples, as Jesus prophesied, Christianity changed its emphasis to the Resurrection and promise of eternal life."
As noted above Jesus is recorded as saying this in 3 of the 4 gospels.
What say you?
That doesn't refer to the Second Coming.

It refers to the Resurrection, Ascension, the Pentecost and the rapid spread of the early church.

That was fulfilled, all the apostles saw that in their lifetime.

“You Can't Throw MeTo TheWolves”

Since: May 10

THEY COME WHEN I CALL

#679332 Dec 19, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
<quoted text>LuciFerr wrote:
Which god?
Why don't you just say buybull jeeziz god?
LuciFerr wrote:
<quoted text>
He won't. I've tried.
He wants to be able to claim that his god is our god, and force it onto us that way, because there's only one god---his. It's his impotent way of imposing his god on the rest of us.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#679333 Dec 19, 2013
LuciFerr wrote:
<quoted text>
http://youtu.be/E8-SgCcKw48
Admit it, this is you, right?
You will not find RR anywhere on the net, except here.

No Bookface, no tweetering, not instagramming, nada. Nuttin. Zilch.
thewordofme

Tucson, AZ

#679334 Dec 19, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
That doesn't mean there's no proof.
There is proof of your hands, but I've never seen that proof.
<quoted text>
Virtually none.
Not none.
<quoted text>
That would be some proof, not no proof.
<quoted text>
LMAO! No, Jesus didn't say that.
Thewordofme writes:
“How about the “eyewitness testimony” for UFO's and Alien abductions?
Do you think they are proofs for these events?
Are there really hundreds or thousands of UFO's flying around abducting people??

RR answers:
“That would be some proof, not no proof.”

So are you saying that mere mention of something is “some” proof ?
Do you believe in UFO's and alien abduction ?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#679335 Dec 19, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>I wonder what you would say to mother theresa, who spent the last couple decades of her life *begging* to feel the power of god, to speak with him, to even see a tiny sign, and according to her many letters her prayers were never answered. Do you think she was truthful and honest? Would you have the balls to say something to dumb to her?
Why would god ignore mother theresa? You sure seem to make this out to be quite simple - indeed, just "ask him and you'll see." Lol.
Maybe God saw her differently than you did, I dunno.

Why the hell ae you asking me why God answered or didn't answer prayers? How thefuck would I know?

Ask God.

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