Prove there's a god.

“Freedom and Liberty”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#677274 Dec 5, 2013
Some Stoner Dude wrote:
Is this thread STILL going?!?
The con-artists are still here preaching, I guess that means it is still going. But still, over half a million posts and not a single shred of evidence that God exists.

If there was a God this thread would be one post long; God would have posted, yes I exist, and that would have been the end of it.

Can't wait for that to catch on to the religitard rubes.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#677275 Dec 5, 2013
1212fell wrote:
Riverside Redneck: I agree with U. Is this Riverside in So. CA?
I was in San Bernardino as a youth.
I'm sorry to hear that.

San Berdoo is a dump.

Riverside's not far behind, though....

“Freedom and Liberty”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#677276 Dec 5, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Right.
But you believe Plato existed and the writings attributed to him were his writings.
Without evidence.
Imagine that.
Those who believe Plato existed are not trying to force his writings down out throats nor have his ideas passed into laws that disrupt our lives and curtail our pursuit of happiness.

It doesn't matter if Plato existed and that we only have what we have about his existence.

What is important is that the alleged greatest event in human history, God coming to the earth in the flesh didn't get noticed by the mainstream press of the day. The gospels accounts are way too contradictory to get a single story line out of them and the Bible is the worlds most stupid book.

What did Plato write that you question he wrote it, or that he wrote something inaccurate; please provide examples.

In the mean time tell us why you trust a book with the following contradiction:

Num. 23:19 "God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent."
1 Sam. 15:29 "And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent."

Versus

Jonah 3:10 "And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not."
1 Sam.15:11 "It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king...."
Exod. 32:14 And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.
Psalms.42:10 "... for I repent me of the evil that I have done unto you."
Gen. 6:6 "And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart."
1 Sam. 15:35 "...and the LORD repented that he had made Saul king over Israel."

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#677277 Dec 5, 2013
scaritual wrote:
No.
The criteria for a person in history, or currently, that claims to be a "god" or is said to be a "god" requires that there be evidence in support of them being a "god".{{{SNIP}}}
But Jesus' existence was more in question than His "godhood".

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#677278 Dec 5, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll bet you believe in aliens, though...
Don't lie.
"The testifying scientists appealed to lawmakers for funding, including investment in space telescopes designed to detect biosignatures."

""I know that funding is tough, but it's the best thing that you can do," said Voytek in remarks quoted by the Guardian.

"You've pretty much indicated [the discovery of] life on other planets is inevitable," Rep. Bill Posey, R-Fla., told the panelists. "It's just a matter of time and funding.""

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/...

Of course he does, scientists need the money.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#677279 Dec 5, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
<quoted text>
I have been following this exchange Dave and if anyone is confused it is because you are confusing. You are being asked to explain your assertions and clearly once again you can not do that so instead you claim the people you have confused are confused like it is their responsibility that you are not making sense.
Alan, it is also very difficult for a 9th grader to understand the insights of a 60 year old. They will also keep asking questions because they are confused.

You have no idea how childlike your perceptions can be.

http://www.gainesvilletimes.com/archives/5096...

That is a pretty well established phenomenon.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#677280 Dec 5, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
But Jesus' existence was more in question than His "godhood".
The two "states" are inseparable. Christianity ties both to the same story, and asserts that the Jesus was a "man-god".

If you simply want to argue that the Jesus! existed and leave off any of the "god" claims, then it's still a hearsay story, much like Plato, just based upon the terms and evidences used within historical "verification". Both are tenuous at best.

Here's the thing.

Nobody claims that anyone who doubts Plato's existence is looking for an excuse to live an immoral life, "avoid" morality or be avoid being responsible for the choices they make.

Nobody is saying that Plato died for anyone's sins and that everyone who thinks differently is going to burn in hell, forever.

Someone that thinks Plato never lived might be considered odd, but he is not considered unrighteous, or damned.

Yet, many if not most of the Jesus! believers will claim at least one of those to be true if you say you doubt the Jesus existed(either as a "god" or a man).

Christianity does that.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#677281 Dec 5, 2013
" Mental health

Mental health problems such as depression, developmental lags, apathy, withdrawal, and other psychosocial dysfunctions frequently are linked to substance abuse among adolescents. Substance-abusing youth are at higher risk than nonusers for mental health problems, including depression, conduct problems, personality disorders, suicidal thoughts, attempted suicide, and suicide. Marijuana use, which is prevalent among youth, has been shown to interfere with short-term memory, learning, and psychomotor skills. Motivation and psychosexual/emotional development also may be influenced (Bureau of Justice Statistics, 1992)."

http://www.ojjdp.gov/pubs/drugid/ration-03.ht...

That's an old study.

It is obvious that a large percentage of Topix atheists started early on their drug abuse. These degraded abilities is what led them to this literalness in learning. The topical understanding of what they were taught in college. They functioned enough to do things by rote and get through school. Then they depended on the assertions of those who claimed to be experts as the basis of their "reality". They just lack the ability to think things out for themselves.

Dumb shits led by the nose.

All for what they thought was a good time.

They never matured.

These forums should be required reading in 6th grade and on to show youth the dangers lurking in illicit drugs.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#677282 Dec 5, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
" Mental health
Mental health problems such as depression, developmental lags, apathy, withdrawal, and other psychosocial dysfunctions frequently are linked to substance abuse among adolescents. Substance-abusing youth are at higher risk than nonusers for mental health problems, including depression, conduct problems, personality disorders, suicidal thoughts, attempted suicide, and suicide. Marijuana use, which is prevalent among youth, has been shown to interfere with short-term memory, learning, and psychomotor skills. Motivation and psychosexual/emotional development also may be influenced (Bureau of Justice Statistics, 1992)."
http://www.ojjdp.gov/pubs/drugid/ration-03.ht...
That's an old study.
It is obvious that a large percentage of Topix atheists started early on their drug abuse. These degraded abilities is what led them to this literalness in learning. The topical understanding of what they were taught in college. They functioned enough to do things by rote and get through school. Then they depended on the assertions of those who claimed to be experts as the basis of their "reality". They just lack the ability to think things out for themselves.
Dumb shits led by the nose.
All for what they thought was a good time.
They never matured.
These forums should be required reading in 6th grade and on to show youth the dangers lurking in illicit drugs.
<The Dave Nelson> " hmmm.. I'll claim that atheists use drugs in lieu of any real or substantive argument today..."

“Freedom and Liberty”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#677283 Dec 5, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
.
It is obvious that a large percentage of Topix atheists started early on their drug abuse.
These forums should be required reading in 6th grade and on to show youth the dangers lurking in illicit drugs.
Let us deal with the drugs that pose the real dangers!

According to a study published this month in The Lancet, alcohol and tobacco rank among the ten most dangerous substances used by humans. Both alcohol and tobacco have been assessed to be more dangerous than illegal drugs like marijuana or ecstasy.

The following three factors were considered in ranking the harmfulness of each drug that was evaluated:

Physical harm to the user
Addictive potential of the drug
The drug's overall impact on society

Psychiatrists who specialize in treating addictive behavior and legal or police officials with scientific or medical expertise were asked to assign a score to each of the three factors listed above for each drug that was evaluated in this study. All told, 20 different drugs were evaluated, including cocaine, heroin, ecstasy, amphetamines, and LSD.

Ranked from most to least dangerous, the ten most dangerous substances were deemed to be:

Heroin - popular street names include smack, skag, and junk.
Cocaine - often referred to as snow, flake, coke, and blow.
Barbiturates - popular slang names include yellow jackets, reds, blues, Amy's, and rainbows.
Street Methadone
Alcohol
Ketamine - a powerful hallucinogen, often referred to as Special K.
Benzodiazepines - a family of sedative drugs.
Amphetamines - known as greenies among baseball players.
Tobacco
Buprenorphine - also called bupe or subbies.

The remaining drugs that were assessed in this study ranked as follows:

Cannabis - includes marijuana.
Solvents - volatile substances that can be inhaled, such as glue, nail polish remover, paints, hair spray, and lighter fuel (gas).
4-MTA - is a derivative of amphetamine and has similar effects to ecstasy.
LSD
Methylphenidate - central nervous system stimulant, commonly sold as ritalin.
Anabolic steroids
GHB - short for Gamma hydroxybutyrate, a powerful central nervous system depressant, most commonly known as the date rape drug.
Ecstasy
Alkyl nitrates - group of drugs commonly referred to as poppers.
Khat - an amphetamine-like stimulant.

It is estimated that tobacco causes 40 percent of all hospital illnesses, while alcohol is involved in more than 50 percent of all visits to hospital emergency rooms. In light of these statistics, the authors of this study question why alcohol and tobacco are legal to use within current drug policies for Britain and the United States, while less harmful drugs like ecstasy and LSD are deemed illegal to use.

The bottom line: alcohol and tobacco are two of the most dangerous substances that you can expose yourself to on a regular basis. In terms of overall potential to cause harm, if used regularly, alcohol and tobacco belong in the same category as other recreational drugs like cocaine and heroin.

http://drbenkim.com/ten-most-dangerous-drugs....

“Freedom and Liberty”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#677284 Dec 5, 2013
Honestly Dave, I really don't think you should concern yourself with marijuana and LSD.

The government is pushing medical care as healthcare, but the more prescriptions one takes, the worse one's health becomes, says Dr. Richard Ruhling, retired physician who taught Health Science at Loma Linda University. He became board-certified in internal medicine, but says [legal pharmaceutical] drugs create illness due to Adverse Drug Reactions that make medical care a leading cause of death. Journal of AMA, 4-15-1998.

Adverse Drug Reactions are defnied as from a drug "properly prescribed and administered." It's not an overdose or a bad prescription. It's just the way that patient reacted unexpectedly.

Ruhling says we should expect it: "Drug action always represents artificial interference with the natural functioning of the organism. In the widest sense of the word, every drug is by definition a poison, pharmacology and toxicology are one, and the art of medicine is to use these poisons beneficially." ** Drill's Textbook of Pharmacology in Medicine, Chapter 5: Intimate Study of Drug Action.

"Pharmacology and toxicology are one"? Ruhling says pharmacology evolved from toxicology, as it studied what dose of a chemical would kill half the animals and now we're the animals--it's just not reported in mainstream media--they like drug money for ads!

Marcia Angell, MD, former editor of the New England Journal of Medicine and author of The Truth About the Drug Companies: How They Deceive Us and What to Do About It, decried the drug ads in the media. She told 60 Minutes 10+ years ago that drug companies spend $400 million on congressional re-election campaigns; by now it's a billion? Ruhling says a US senator, confronted with medical literature that drugs are a leading cause of illness and death said, "You're wasting your time. They own us!"

**We might wonder how or why a doctor "might use these poisons beneficially," but if a person's blood pressure is sky-high from eating chittalings (hog intestines), it's better to take a drug to get the blood pressure down than to have a stroke (burst blood vessel in the brain resulting in paralysis).

Nathan Pritikin reported to the American College of Cardiology that 186 of 218 patients got off their drugs for blood pressure with a low fat diet and that a high fat diet makes rouleaux (blood cells become sticky and the heart has to pump harder to circulate the blood).

“Freedom and Liberty”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#677285 Dec 5, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
The two "states" are inseparable. Christianity ties both to the same story, and asserts that the Jesus was a "man-god".
If you simply want to argue that the Jesus! existed and leave off any of the "god" claims, then it's still a hearsay story, much like Plato, just based upon the terms and evidences used within historical "verification". Both are tenuous at best.
Here's the thing.
Nobody claims that anyone who doubts Plato's existence is looking for an excuse to live an immoral life, "avoid" morality or be avoid being responsible for the choices they make.
Nobody is saying that Plato died for anyone's sins and that everyone who thinks differently is going to burn in hell, forever.
Someone that thinks Plato never lived might be considered odd, but he is not considered unrighteous, or damned.
Yet, many if not most of the Jesus! believers will claim at least one of those to be true if you say you doubt the Jesus existed(either as a "god" or a man).
Christianity does that.
WOW! That was a much better answer than the one I wrote RR. Good reply!!!

“Freedom and Liberty”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#677286 Dec 5, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
Easter is a pagan fertility festival that predates christianity. It was stolen from the celebration of Eostre (or Eastre or Ostara or Oestra depending on where in northern Europe you hailed from) who gave her name to the spring equinox, the rights of the renewed fertility of the land,
In the same way that Christmas was an amalgamation of various mid winter festivals such as Yule and Saturnalia.
The holidays were stolen by cristianity (who were seen as a miserable and dour lot) when it was realise that the holidays helped cement the beliefs of the pagan religions and so the coercion of –“if you join our club you won’t have to give up your holidays” was adopted. Hence we now have easter and Christmas rather than eostra and yule (or saturnalia).
Exactly! I love all the holidays that Christians now pretend never existed before Jesus. What I hate are the ignorant pew warmers who claim Jesus is the reason for the season.

Clearly it is the winter solstice that is the reason for the winter holiday celebrations.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#677287 Dec 5, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
The two "states" are inseparable. Christianity ties both to the same story, and asserts that the Jesus was a "man-god".
If you simply want to argue that the Jesus! existed and leave off any of the "god" claims, then it's still a hearsay story, much like Plato, just based upon the terms and evidences used within historical "verification". Both are tenuous at best.
Here's the thing.
Nobody claims that anyone who doubts Plato's existence is looking for an excuse to live an immoral life, "avoid" morality or be avoid being responsible for the choices they make.
Nobody is saying that Plato died for anyone's sins and that everyone who thinks differently is going to burn in hell, forever.
Someone that thinks Plato never lived might be considered odd, but he is not considered unrighteous, or damned.
Yet, many if not most of the Jesus! believers will claim at least one of those to be true if you say you doubt the Jesus existed(either as a "god" or a man).
Christianity does that.
Ya, I get all that.

The only point I'm making is the hypocrisy of the Topix Atheist! that claims only to believe in things that are evidenced.

Like Plato, ghosts & aliens.

“Freedom and Liberty”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#677288 Dec 5, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
No one ever told me that, either.
Weird.
What is weird RR is you ignoring the clear biblical commands that you claim your God inspired people to write down in the world's most contradictory book for you, er I mean, other people to follow.

What again is the reason you do not have to follow biblical commands?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#677289 Dec 5, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
Honestly Dave, I really don't think you should concern yourself with marijuana and LSD.
The government is pushing medical care as healthcare, but the more prescriptions one takes, the worse one's health becomes, says Dr. Richard Ruhling, retired physician who taught Health Science at Loma Linda University. He became board-certified in internal medicine, but says [legal pharmaceutical] drugs create illness due to Adverse Drug Reactions that make medical care a leading cause of death. Journal of AMA, 4-15-1998.
Adverse Drug Reactions are defnied as from a drug "properly prescribed and administered." It's not an overdose or a bad prescription. It's just the way that patient reacted unexpectedly.
Ruhling says we should expect it: "Drug action always represents artificial interference with the natural functioning of the organism. In the widest sense of the word, every drug is by definition a poison, pharmacology and toxicology are one, and the art of medicine is to use these poisons beneficially." ** Drill's Textbook of Pharmacology in Medicine, Chapter 5: Intimate Study of Drug Action.
"Pharmacology and toxicology are one"? Ruhling says pharmacology evolved from toxicology, as it studied what dose of a chemical would kill half the animals and now we're the animals--it's just not reported in mainstream media--they like drug money for ads!
Marcia Angell, MD, former editor of the New England Journal of Medicine and author of The Truth About the Drug Companies: How They Deceive Us and What to Do About It, decried the drug ads in the media. She told 60 Minutes 10+ years ago that drug companies spend $400 million on congressional re-election campaigns; by now it's a billion? Ruhling says a US senator, confronted with medical literature that drugs are a leading cause of illness and death said, "You're wasting your time. They own us!"
**We might wonder how or why a doctor "might use these poisons beneficially," but if a person's blood pressure is sky-high from eating chittalings (hog intestines), it's better to take a drug to get the blood pressure down than to have a stroke (burst blood vessel in the brain resulting in paralysis).
Nathan Pritikin reported to the American College of Cardiology that 186 of 218 patients got off their drugs for blood pressure with a low fat diet and that a high fat diet makes rouleaux (blood cells become sticky and the heart has to pump harder to circulate the blood).
You've suggested that if God was real, He'd post on Topix....

LSD is not your friend, big guy.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#677290 Dec 5, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
<The Dave Nelson> " hmmm.. I'll claim that atheists use drugs in lieu of any real or substantive argument today..."
How old were you when you started getting drunk or stoned, scar?

“Freedom and Liberty”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#677291 Dec 5, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Studies have also shown the bacon is healthy for you....
Do you know why the studies done by the bacon industry show bacon is healthy? Do you know why the studies done by vegetarians show that bacon is not healthy?

Is there any independent, objective and impartial source that we can trust to give us the best information?

Bacon can be healthy when the pork is raised in clean healthy conditions where the animals are allowed to roam as they would in the wild and are not shot up with growth stimulants, hormones, antibiotics and all kinds of horrible pharmaceuticals and fed GMO corn and soy, something they would never eat on their own. Then the bacon is subjected to artificial colors and flavor enhancers and other neuro-toxins including excito-toxins.

Bacon from pigs raised on organic farms free of pharmaceuticals is a healthy food. We raised our own pigs and we produce a completely natural, healthy product.

Do you know that milk is bad for you and when it is healthy?

What about beef. What kind of beef am I talking about? In the context I am speaking I can say that beef is not beef and milk is not milk, and even if you did understand what I am saying you will still look for a way to ridicule what I wrote.

Our cow produces milk. She lives on an open field eating natural grass with out artificial fertilizers used to get it to grow. We milk the cow and we refrigerate the milk, it is a healthy product. No pharmaceutical drugs.

For school lunches the field the cows are raised on are fertilized with artificial fertilizers, the cows are fed grains like GMO corn and soy, the cows live in cramped crowed and filthy conditions and are fed antibiotics and growth hormones and other stimulates to make them produce more milk. This milk is then heated to kill every thing good in it, then it is homogenized and refrigerated. This cooked milk is what most people are drinking and it is not good for you.

“Freedom and Liberty”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#677292 Dec 5, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Dark matter can't be tested, measured, verified and repeated.
Not yet, but you and your Bible can both be tested. Please note that because you are RR I have to say that the following is not about testing God, but about testing if you really trust your Bible and we all already know you do not.

One of great weaknesses of the Bible lies in the fact that it contains tangible mechanisms by which to refute its truthfulness. Within it pages are verses which can be used to test the book's validity. They can be generally grouped under two broad headings--those involving tremendous powers given to believers and those involving powers attendant to prayer and requests. The most prominent verses within the first category are Mark 16:17-18, "And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; they shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them: they shall lays hands on the sick, and they shall recover." Many true believers have handled deadly snakes and drunk deadly poisons only to find the Bible is both erroneous and dangerous. Courts in Illinois, Tennessee, and elsewhere have repeatedly stopped practices of this nature because of the treat to life. Ask believers to drink poison or handle deadly snakes and one will quickly realize the extent to which even they do not take the book seriously. Mark 16:17-18 clearly states what they can do if they believe. Put them to the test, however, and you will witness a lot of rationalizing.

Other verses within the first category promise unbelievable powers to those with faith: "If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place, and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible to you"--Matt. 17:20 and "If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamore tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea; and it should obey you"--Luke 17:6. Also note Matt. 21:21. Yet, despite promises of tremendous strength, those with the strongest faith are often the weakest, the most helpless individuals in society. They often resort to faith because all else has failed.

“Freedom and Liberty”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#677293 Dec 5, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Neither.
Just demonstrating that people, atheists included, believe in lots of things without having any evidence.
Atheists will consider new evidence against their "beliefs" but you RR refuse to consider any of the evidence I have presented against your Bible.

That does not prove God exists RR. What else besides God do you believe in for which you have no evidence?

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