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#676066 Nov 25, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Yes indeed, there's no coming back from full dead. He may have been very near dead.
Based on the various pre-200 AD accounts. I am of the opinion that Jesus survived the crucifixion but died about a month later from complications. That would be the unbiased, non-religious interpretation that we would accept on other ancient texts.

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#676067 Nov 25, 2013
DeAngelo of Memphis wrote:
<quoted text>Yep, and that's one of those things I want to ubderstand more, U know this "free will" thing. I wouldn't say that God can't allow people to choose their own fate. The message is clear to those of us who have heard it..."live your life righteously according to said guidelines and U will be spared the punishment set aside for disobedience". Now I'm not tryna preach but this simple, basic message has been uttered since the earliest known civilization (Sumer) and it mentions that we have a choice of which path we shall take. God can be everywhere at once, be all-powerful with supreme authority, and can be at the same time all-knowing. Yea, God knows every event that could take place...some events are pleasing to Him (as revealed), some infuriates Him, and some pains His heart with sorrow (as revealed in the scriptures) but it's still clear that with everything that happens, we all have a choice to make...our OWN choice! And God sees which paths we choose to take, how our behavior changes, and ultimately when we meet the Maker we will have our hearts revealed to Him, either clean or dirty.
The fact that we have traditionally considered ourselves to have complete free will does not make it so. Even if we do have personal free will, a universe governed by an omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient god is necessarily deterministic, and despite biblical nonsense to the contrary, everything that happens is necessarily willed by god. The notion of something "infuriating" an infinite being who literally willed everything into existence is beyond absurd.

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#676068 Nov 25, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text> No it doesn't. Not if you are going to say its God's fault or he shares in the blame for not intervening instead of leaving the responsibility solely on the person who committed the sins. How is that not you passing the buck from the believer to God as far as responsibility? You don't have to be passing it from yourself to be arguing it should be passed
<quoted text>It seems like you are saying the same thing just in two different ways, which is God not intervening means we don't have free-will
Obviously for him to intervene he would have to know what going to happen to decide to intervene
But its not a big deal to m either way. If I'm not seeing the distinction maybe it's me. Since we aren't going further on it I am all right leaving it wherever
I am saying that his nonintervention in tandem with his omniscience, omnipotence, and omnipresence negates the possibility of true free will. Or his intervention, if you imagine he intervenes. It really doesn't matter. We would be, at best, on rails, moving towards a predetermined outcome that has been know since the moment of creation.

God would not simply share in the blame, he is completely to blame for anything that happens, good or bad. Punishing people for behaving according to their nature and for doing exactly what they have always been destined to do since the beginning of time, and for violating an arbitrary set of laws by "sinning" is utterly nonsensical.

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#676069 Nov 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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What if they are known, can be influenced, but are not influenced?
It doesn't matter. The mere fact that they can be influenced means the universe has a predetermined outcome that is necessarily willed by god. If it wasn't his will, it wouldn't happen.

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#676070 Nov 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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God doesn't "allow" you to go to hell no more than He "allows" you to sleep in or not.
You make your own choices all through life.
What you do in life echoes in eternity.
Haha. What a corny quote.

Anyways, yes he does. From the moment of creation, and probably even before, god would have known that the vast majority of his creations would end up in hell, and he went ahead with it anyway. Therefore, it was his will that the universe be nothing more than a giant torture chamber. If you were creating a universe, and you discovered that your chosen set of parameters would result in most of your "loved creations" burning for eternity, would you do it?

I doubt it, so you are morally superior to your god.

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#676071 Nov 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Curious.
You spell Tanakh properly, even capitalize it.
Why do you not do the same for the Bible?
You know why. Christine and crew have this juvenile idea that disrespecting only the "C" words by not capitalizing them makes Christians automatically appear to be inferior humans undeseving of respect bcause of their beliefs. Apparently every ideology but Christianity deserves respect according to the mighty Topix atheist. You'd better hope these psychos never dominate our government, otherwise they will make the pogroms of the past look like a visit to Disney World. Christians need to shake off the current apathy they are functioning under and watch some of the atheist sermons on youtube. They are real eye openers.

Google "Obama's Brain Initiative" and ask yourself "What's in it for Obama?" Here's a hint; nothing good for us. Too many people in this world seek to control other peoples' minds and Obama is one of them.

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#676072 Nov 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Gravity is also a law.
Lest ye forget....
Evolution is not.
So?

“The Intrepid”

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#676073 Nov 25, 2013
BenAdam wrote:
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My point exactly. There are a few "Christians" on these threads that I admire. Sadly, they are the minority of Topix Christians.
IMHO most Topix Christians are just brainwashed and harmless.
There is however a vocal majority who are hate-filled, ignorant liars who know nothing about the religion they claim to believe in and even less about almost everything else. They are a disgrace to God, Jesus and mankind. They are usually sociopaths that, history and the evening news proves, contribute nothing to the world except piles of the lifeless bodies of innocents.
Like you're not tryig your hand at brainwashing here? Stop playing innocent, I recognize the technique.

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#676074 Nov 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Look up false dilemma, you only have tri opinions when they are more than two...
You'd force your creations. Period.
God don't roll like that.
Ok, so what are the other options?(Also, telling me to look up false dillema is like me telling you to look up the color blue as if it's obscure).

And like always, you ignore what I say so you can repeat yourself, but this time with a "period" for emphasis. Lol.

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#676075 Nov 25, 2013
BenAdam wrote:
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My point exactly. There are a few "Christians" on these threads that I admire. Sadly, they are the minority of Topix Christians.
IMHO most Topix Christians are just brainwashed and harmless.
There is however a vocal majority who are hate-filled, ignorant liars who know nothing about the religion they claim to believe in and even less about almost everything else. They are a disgrace to God, Jesus and mankind. They are usually sociopaths that, history and the evening news proves, contribute nothing to the world except piles of the lifeless bodies of innocents.
Guess what? Nobody here gives a crap whether you admire them or not.

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#676076 Nov 25, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>Stop pretending that all of your posts directed at Christians are not filled with ridicule. Mockery is NOT legitimate debate.
First of all, literally all you do is snipe people. I see you actually contribute once in a blue moon.

Second, all my posts? Really? I bet I could find several just in the past few pages where I wasn't ridiculing anyone. I rarely "insult" people unless I am attacked first, and my "insults" are usually nothing more than sarcasm.. so, quite tame compared to what usually goes on here.

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#676077 Nov 25, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>God could change the future
Man would still have free-will though
That was the point all along
Even if we do have personal free will, the universe is determistic. In what way is free will valuable in such a universe?

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#676078 Nov 25, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
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You must not understand my thought process then as I already explained i don't believe hell is eternal suffering for man. I believe his body and brain dies on Earth and his soul dies a second death in hell
Human life is finite. People were going to die regardless. And there isn't much room to complain God didn't give them the gift of the after0life when they didn't even believe in him. And especially no argument for those that mocked him.
People have the choice to seek God out and be saved. That's on them. Or they live and die and they would naturally.
Sounds legit. In a rigged, predetermined universe, it is up to us, with our limited information, to determine which of the thousands of possible gods is the right one. If you choose right, you get eternal paradise, and if you choose wrong, you die twice after being tortured for a while.

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#676079 Nov 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Yup
And I think it's because deep down they have faith, at least in the existence of God.
Good luck trying to get them to admit it.
Exactly! That's why I think you secretly believe in allah, because you don't believe in him.

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#676080 Nov 25, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>It does seem to work both ways
Well I don't believe God exists but if He did then he would be responsible for everything bad anybody ever does
I thought it was supposed to be people of faith getting blamed for excusing things because God will forgive them when they are supposed to be taking personal responsibility
Now the argument is they aren't responsible for what they do just so people can point the finger at God?
Personally I think it shows that no matter what, certain people are going to try to bash the faith regardless of what the facts are.
No one is bashing anything, and no one is "pointing the finger at god." Is pointing out the logical absurdities of your position the same as bashing religion? The persecution complex is strong with this one.

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#676081 Nov 25, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>I agree there is no such thing as what one might call "absolute free-will"
Because there are not only a lot of limiting environmental and physical factors, but other people can put random variables in our path
I would describe free-will as having complete control to decide what to do within the confines of the options available to us.
I am not sure if that gets us closer together on how we both see it. I think it would but will see what you say in response
I agree. My main point is that, even if we do have a high level of free will, it is rendered meaningless by the nature of the christian god.

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#676082 Nov 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You made the claim that the Resurrection is a lie.
Your claim.
Your onus.
Go.
The resurrection story can be dismissed out of hand until such time that *any* credible proof is found for it. Until then, no one has to disprove it.

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#676083 Nov 25, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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There is nothing I could say to make you believe me, because you don't want to believe.
You're hopeless.
Besides, I never made that claim.
So you don't believe that jesus rose from the dead, or you know that making a positive claim out of it is impossible?

Btw, I believe benadam is religious, so your "you don't want to believe" nonsense doesn't make any sense with him.

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#676084 Nov 25, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>You know why. Christine and crew have this juvenile idea that disrespecting only the "C" words by not capitalizing them makes Christians automatically appear to be inferior humans undeseving of respect bcause of their beliefs. Apparently every ideology but Christianity deserves respect according to the mighty Topix atheist. You'd better hope these psychos never dominate our government, otherwise they will make the pogroms of the past look like a visit to Disney World. Christians need to shake off the current apathy they are functioning under and watch some of the atheist sermons on youtube. They are real eye openers.
Google "Obama's Brain Initiative" and ask yourself "What's in it for Obama?" Here's a hint; nothing good for us. Too many people in this world seek to control other peoples' minds and Obama is one of them.
I'll tell you what's going on. Obama wants to make us all atheist, muslim, socialist servants of the NWO.
Berserker

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#676085 Nov 25, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Exactly! That's why I think you secretly beli

eve in allah, because you don't believe in him.
This palce, this hellish planet that we choose to come back to again and again...thi is the hell. Not somewhere beneath the earth or on some other plane of existence. We choose this place to experience all that is bad. If all e knew was bliss and nothing else, then how would we know it?

God sent peices of himself and gave these peices all the power tht he himself has, for he is all their is and there is nothing else. We are all a part of this one God.

So, like God these peices of God have unlimited choices and infinite possibilies and God is experiencing these all at once in the ever present now! Eventualy we will merge with the creator and once again experience all that there is through his creations or many aspects of himself.

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