Prove there's a god.

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#675192 Nov 22, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
"It is sometimes said that the birth of Mithras was a virgin birth, like that of Jesus. But no ancient source gives such a birth myth for Mithras. In Mithraic Studies it is stated that Mithras was born as an adult from solid rock "
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithras_in_com...
You're just a bullshitter.
GEN. 19:14

("Lot went out, and spoke unto his sons-in-law which married his daughters"--KJ, ASV, BBE, NAB, NWT, MT, LV)

versus

("Lot went out and said to his sons-in-law, who were to marry his daughters"--RS, LB, NIV, JB, NEB, TEV, NAS).

Were the sons-in-law married to Lot's daughters and how could they be sons-in-law if they weren't)?

Anyone want to try to answer this?

Since: Feb 09

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#675193 Nov 22, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
You will continue lying.
"In many east Asian countries Buddha's Birth is celebrated on the 8th day of the 4th month in the Chinese lunar calendar ... The date falls from the end of April to the end of May in the Gregorian calendar"
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddha 's_Birthday
Bullshitter.
Buddha (Siddartha Gautama) c. 563 BCE

--born on December 25
--born of the Virgin Maya (“the Queen of Heaven”)
-- announced by a star and attended by wise men presenting costly gifts.
--at his birth Brahma angels sang hymns.
--tempted by Mara, the Evil One, while fasting, but overcame the temptation, putting the Evil One to flight.
--taught in temple at age 12 and was able to match the wise religious scholars in their understanding.
-- He healed the sick; fed 500 from a small basket of cakes.
--walked on water.
--Buddha's disciple wanted to hear his lord preach so he started to cross a stream – he doubted and started to sink but he built up his faith and continued to walk across the water.
--came to fulfill the law and preached the establishment of a kingdom of righteousness.
--He obliged followers to live in poverty and to renounce the world.
--In his final years, Buddha was said to have 'crushed a serpent's head' and to have been transfigured on a mount ...'
--It was Buddha, not Christ, who first said:'If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also'

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#675194 Nov 22, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus, you were born a Jew and now you are an expert on Native American spirituality.
Quit reading such biased sources and read history instead.
BTW, those tribes were not above killing, raping, sodomizing, torturing, and practicing genocide on each other. They could speak the same language base and do that just because they were a different tribe. They would also sacrifice each other in religious rituals not of a Christian nature.
They were killing each other long before Europeans showed up.
And just what the hell RELIGION do you think those Europeans were Dave?

And sorry- you provide NO source for your claim about what the Native Americans did to one another; just more "Dave blabbering".....but I guess YOU are the expert, huh?

At any rate, and regardless of what the Native Americans MAY have done to one another- that is NOTHING compared to what the Europeans did to them.

Oh yeah- to get back to my first question: Just what religion to you think those Europeans were Dave?

Buddhist? Jewish? Islamic?

Hate to tell you but the VAST majority of Europeans who left the Old World to come to the New World were CHRISTIAN and they came here to escape the religious persecution of their native lands.

But gee- since Christians are SO "moral" and not at ALL "hypocritical", as soon as they arrived in the New World, they wasted no time persecuting, torturing and killing those who did not believe or live as they did, thereby bringing what THEY escaped from- religious persecution- to the Native Americans.

You are no less a FOOL in denial than RR is if you refuse to accept what is well known and proven historical FACT.

I am the first to say that there is good and bad in ALL groups of people regardless of race, creed, color, religion, nationality or gender.

That would include Native Americans, Jews, Buddhists, Islamists, men, women, white people, black people, Asian people, Americans, Europeans, etc.

And yeah- that also includes CHRISTIANS. Why you or RR think that Christians are SO above what every other group of people are capable of....well, just how IS the weather in the state of DENIAL you both live in where the capital city is "Apologetics"?

Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#675195 Nov 22, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>I didn't say I was an expert on ANYTHING- let alone Native American spirituality- so why do you lie?
Why is lying the ULTIMATE Christian way?? What is WITH you people?
Also, you will note I used sources for what I posted. So how you get that I perceive myself as any sort of expert on American Native spirituality; again, I ask- why IS lying the ULTIMATE Christian way?
Expecting your Jesus to forgive and forget should you admit to your Jesus that you're a LIAR?
Dave- the massacre and decimation of Native Americans was due to the CHRISTIAN European settlers whether by outright acts of disgusting aggression or dying due to small pox and other diseases brought over by those who came to settle in the New World.
I didn't ASK about what Native Americans did to each other- and either did RR- he asked for proof that the massacres and systematic killing of Native Americans was carried out by Christians.
I provided him with what he asked for.
Hmmm...

So what is your opinion on the conquest and genocide performed on the Philistines?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#675196 Nov 22, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>No- I doubt you do.
The kind of character you know when you see it is that of very low character, since you are of very low character and water seeks its own level.
And while you are quite *a* character, the only character you possess is of the lowliest kind.
You're a bottom-feeder, RR. Accept it. After all, it is due to your own actions and your own words that has resulted in you being the bottom-feeder reprobate you are.
Sorry for your luck.
You're doubts are irrelevant.

I know me better than you know me.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#675197 Nov 22, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Your knowledge of history is extremely limited.
Those were the Conquistadors. The Church eventually brought them in line. Many were thrown in prison for their abuses.
The Aztec, Comanche and the Navajo were no slouches on the conquest game. They needed no deity to justify their actions. In fact their actions pushed many other tribes right into the arms of the Spanish.
Your lack of seeing the reality is very christian of you.

Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#675198 Nov 22, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>And just what the hell RELIGION do you think those Europeans were Dave?
And sorry- you provide NO source for your claim about what the Native Americans did to one another; just more "Dave blabbering".....but I guess YOU are the expert, huh?
At any rate, and regardless of what the Native Americans MAY have done to one another- that is NOTHING compared to what the Europeans did to them.
Oh yeah- to get back to my first question: Just what religion to you think those Europeans were Dave?
Buddhist? Jewish? Islamic?
Hate to tell you but the VAST majority of Europeans who left the Old World to come to the New World were CHRISTIAN and they came here to escape the religious persecution of their native lands.
But gee- since Christians are SO "moral" and not at ALL "hypocritical", as soon as they arrived in the New World, they wasted no time persecuting, torturing and killing those who did not believe or live as they did, thereby bringing what THEY escaped from- religious persecution- to the Native Americans.
You are no less a FOOL in denial than RR is if you refuse to accept what is well known and proven historical FACT.
I am the first to say that there is good and bad in ALL groups of people regardless of race, creed, color, religion, nationality or gender.
That would include Native Americans, Jews, Buddhists, Islamists, men, women, white people, black people, Asian people, Americans, Europeans, etc.
And yeah- that also includes CHRISTIANS. Why you or RR think that Christians are SO above what every other group of people are capable of....well, just how IS the weather in the state of DENIAL you both live in where the capital city is "Apologetics"?
http://anthropology.net/2007/07/16/parallel-l...

One of many accounts you can find of the natives killing natives. The Aztecs are also well known for not being real nice. Do some serious research.

Since: Feb 09

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#675199 Nov 22, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Please...
I've already posted that Mithra's birthdate is unknown.
You've offered nothing.
Here is another example as to why we can never trust a pwe warming Christ-insanity-ist reprobate:

PSALMS 02:11-12

("Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry...."--KJ, ML, NI, AS, NWT)

versus

("Serve the Lord with fear, with trembling kiss his feet, lest he be angry"--RS, JB, BBE)

versus

("...kiss the King, lest the Lord be angry"--NEB).

So what is to be kissed--the Son, his feet, or the King?

Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#675200 Nov 22, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Your lack of seeing the reality is very christian of you.
You vision seems to be limited to a very tiny slice of the human experience.

Have you ever researched ancient Japan, China, India? Or any other place?

Since: Feb 09

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#675201 Nov 22, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah their ministers don't dare bring up the inconsistencies to be found in their bible.
I once read a quote by a minister in a protestant church who had gone to a famous theological school...the gist of it was: "If you graduate and still believed in God...then you weren't paying attention."
Excellent and exactly right. Clearly our resident Christ-insanity-ists are not paying attention.

Let us pay attention to this little inconsistency and ask ourselves if we would trust a God that would allow his followers to claim the book it comes from is perfect and with out error:

PROV. 10:6

("...but violence covereth the mouth of the wicked"--KJ, AS, NIV)

versus

(...but the mouth of the wicked conceals violence"--RS, ML, NAB, TEV, NWT, NAS, MT).

Does violence cover the mouth or does the mouth cover the violence? Which covers which?

Any of our resident Christ-insanity-ists want to try to deal with this? No, of course not, biblically ignorant cowards never want to deal with any fact or evidence that would make them see that their deeply held believes are divorced from reality.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#675202 Nov 22, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
http://anthropology.net/2007/07/16/parallel-l...
One of many accounts you can find of the natives killing natives. The Aztecs are also well known for not being real nice. Do some serious research.
Sigh.....nice avoidance tactic, Dave.

And gee- yet another Christian way- trying to minimize what the CHRISTIAN settlers did to the Native Americans by pointing out what Native Americans did to each other.

No matter WHAT they did to each other, the vast majority of the Native American population was persecuted, tortured, decimated and killed by the CHRISTIAN settlers who came to the New World.

That IS a fact and you not liking that fact makes it no LESS a fact.

YOUR religion- YOUR ancestors- YOU deal with it.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#675203 Nov 22, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
You're doubts are irrelevant.
I know me better than you know me.
Just as I know myself better than you ever could.

So your opinion of me is EXTREMELY irrelevant.

You're a bottom-feeding, sanctimonious, holier-than-thou, self-righteous "Christian" reprobate.

You may say that it just my opinion and it may be; however, it is an opinion formed based on what you say here.

Since: Feb 09

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#675204 Nov 22, 2013
PROV. 21:l2

("The righteous man wisely considereth the house of the wicked"--KJ, ML, AS, NAB, LV)

versus

("The Righteous One considereth the house of the wicked"--MT, JB, BBE, NEB, TEV, NWT, NI).

Is God or man to do the considering? Can anyone answer this?

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#675205 Nov 22, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Hmmm...
So what is your opinion on the conquest and genocide performed on the Philistines?
I'm not avoiding your question, but I can't answer it now and probably not at any point today.

Much to do and I've got to get busy with that now and then I will be busy having a wonderful weekend with my wonderful man and Topix is the LAST place I'll be.

Maybe next week I'll address this post of yours to which I am responding- simply don't have the time right now.

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#675206 Nov 22, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Reverend Alan wrote:
Here is another one:
Horus c. 3000 BCE
--born of the virgin Isis-Merion December 25 in a cave/manger with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men.
<quoted text>
Lol
First of all, Isis wasn't a virgin, as your fellow Christian hater claimed.
Second, Horus was supposedly born during the month of Khoiak (Oct/Nov).
You'd be wise to do your own research before blindly believing him.
And of course RR we should trust your every word because you believe the Bible; a book with this contradiction in it:

MATT. 18:22

("...I say not unto thee, until 7 times; but until 70 times 7 <i.e., 490>"--KJ, RS, ML, LB, AS, BBE, NEB, NAS, NAB, TEV, LV)

versus

("...I tell you not 7 times, but 77 times"--NI, JB, NWT). There is a big difference between 490 and 77.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#675207 Nov 22, 2013
OCB wrote:
The first link may be a good source, but I'm not sure.

The second link is just a person's opinion. I can't believe you'd post it as fact.

Either way, they are both potentially untrustworthy.

It wouldn't have mattered what religion they were anyway. That you think they were Christian is moot. You can't condemn all Christians because of the possible actions of few. No more than you should hate the cops because some of them are crooked.

If you want to blame Christians for evil acts then you'd better be willing to acknowledge the good acts of the majority.

But I suspect you hate Christians and won't do that.

Go get some mental counseling and get over your hate of Christians, please.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#675208 Nov 22, 2013
DeAngelo of Memphis wrote:
<quoted text>It's really not a good idea to respond to antagonists like her and alot of others. It's only fuel for them to keep posting rude, insulting, non-knowledge-based comments. Best to just ignore them, respond to more sensible posts, and try and keep things at least a bit cordial and hopefully people like her can stop visiting this thread and create their own hate-spewing one!!!
You're right, of course.

It's hard not to react & comment though.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#675209 Nov 22, 2013
OCB wrote:
I didn't ASK about what Native Americans did to each other- and either did RR- he asked for proof that the massacres and systematic killing of Native Americans was carried out by Christians.
I provided him with what he asked for.
You provided opinions.

I asked for evidence.

Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#675210 Nov 22, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Sigh.....nice avoidance tactic, Dave.
And gee- yet another Christian way- trying to minimize what the CHRISTIAN settlers did to the Native Americans by pointing out what Native Americans did to each other.
No matter WHAT they did to each other, the vast majority of the Native American population was persecuted, tortured, decimated and killed by the CHRISTIAN settlers who came to the New World.
That IS a fact and you not liking that fact makes it no LESS a fact.
YOUR religion- YOUR ancestors- YOU deal with it.
I'm still trying to figure out the basis for your moral judgement as your ancestors, ethnic, racial, or religious, have been guilty of the same and worse. Christianity is just one of many, many, many religions. However, it is the one that built the civilization and ethos you now live in. Which means you are double guilty.

Oh, girl, you have a serious price to pay for your ancestor's misdeeds.

Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#675211 Nov 22, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not avoiding your question, but I can't answer it now and probably not at any point today.
Much to do and I've got to get busy with that now and then I will be busy having a wonderful weekend with my wonderful man and Topix is the LAST place I'll be.
Maybe next week I'll address this post of yours to which I am responding- simply don't have the time right now.
Uh huh.

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