Prove there's a god.

Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#675195 Nov 22, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>I didn't say I was an expert on ANYTHING- let alone Native American spirituality- so why do you lie?
Why is lying the ULTIMATE Christian way?? What is WITH you people?
Also, you will note I used sources for what I posted. So how you get that I perceive myself as any sort of expert on American Native spirituality; again, I ask- why IS lying the ULTIMATE Christian way?
Expecting your Jesus to forgive and forget should you admit to your Jesus that you're a LIAR?
Dave- the massacre and decimation of Native Americans was due to the CHRISTIAN European settlers whether by outright acts of disgusting aggression or dying due to small pox and other diseases brought over by those who came to settle in the New World.
I didn't ASK about what Native Americans did to each other- and either did RR- he asked for proof that the massacres and systematic killing of Native Americans was carried out by Christians.
I provided him with what he asked for.
Hmmm...

So what is your opinion on the conquest and genocide performed on the Philistines?

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#675196 Nov 22, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>No- I doubt you do.
The kind of character you know when you see it is that of very low character, since you are of very low character and water seeks its own level.
And while you are quite *a* character, the only character you possess is of the lowliest kind.
You're a bottom-feeder, RR. Accept it. After all, it is due to your own actions and your own words that has resulted in you being the bottom-feeder reprobate you are.
Sorry for your luck.
You're doubts are irrelevant.

I know me better than you know me.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#675197 Nov 22, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Your knowledge of history is extremely limited.
Those were the Conquistadors. The Church eventually brought them in line. Many were thrown in prison for their abuses.
The Aztec, Comanche and the Navajo were no slouches on the conquest game. They needed no deity to justify their actions. In fact their actions pushed many other tribes right into the arms of the Spanish.
Your lack of seeing the reality is very christian of you.

Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#675198 Nov 22, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>And just what the hell RELIGION do you think those Europeans were Dave?
And sorry- you provide NO source for your claim about what the Native Americans did to one another; just more "Dave blabbering".....but I guess YOU are the expert, huh?
At any rate, and regardless of what the Native Americans MAY have done to one another- that is NOTHING compared to what the Europeans did to them.
Oh yeah- to get back to my first question: Just what religion to you think those Europeans were Dave?
Buddhist? Jewish? Islamic?
Hate to tell you but the VAST majority of Europeans who left the Old World to come to the New World were CHRISTIAN and they came here to escape the religious persecution of their native lands.
But gee- since Christians are SO "moral" and not at ALL "hypocritical", as soon as they arrived in the New World, they wasted no time persecuting, torturing and killing those who did not believe or live as they did, thereby bringing what THEY escaped from- religious persecution- to the Native Americans.
You are no less a FOOL in denial than RR is if you refuse to accept what is well known and proven historical FACT.
I am the first to say that there is good and bad in ALL groups of people regardless of race, creed, color, religion, nationality or gender.
That would include Native Americans, Jews, Buddhists, Islamists, men, women, white people, black people, Asian people, Americans, Europeans, etc.
And yeah- that also includes CHRISTIANS. Why you or RR think that Christians are SO above what every other group of people are capable of....well, just how IS the weather in the state of DENIAL you both live in where the capital city is "Apologetics"?
http://anthropology.net/2007/07/16/parallel-l...

One of many accounts you can find of the natives killing natives. The Aztecs are also well known for not being real nice. Do some serious research.

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#675199 Nov 22, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Please...
I've already posted that Mithra's birthdate is unknown.
You've offered nothing.
Here is another example as to why we can never trust a pwe warming Christ-insanity-ist reprobate:

PSALMS 02:11-12

("Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry...."--KJ, ML, NI, AS, NWT)

versus

("Serve the Lord with fear, with trembling kiss his feet, lest he be angry"--RS, JB, BBE)

versus

("...kiss the King, lest the Lord be angry"--NEB).

So what is to be kissed--the Son, his feet, or the King?

Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#675200 Nov 22, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Your lack of seeing the reality is very christian of you.
You vision seems to be limited to a very tiny slice of the human experience.

Have you ever researched ancient Japan, China, India? Or any other place?

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#675201 Nov 22, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah their ministers don't dare bring up the inconsistencies to be found in their bible.
I once read a quote by a minister in a protestant church who had gone to a famous theological school...the gist of it was: "If you graduate and still believed in God...then you weren't paying attention."
Excellent and exactly right. Clearly our resident Christ-insanity-ists are not paying attention.

Let us pay attention to this little inconsistency and ask ourselves if we would trust a God that would allow his followers to claim the book it comes from is perfect and with out error:

PROV. 10:6

("...but violence covereth the mouth of the wicked"--KJ, AS, NIV)

versus

(...but the mouth of the wicked conceals violence"--RS, ML, NAB, TEV, NWT, NAS, MT).

Does violence cover the mouth or does the mouth cover the violence? Which covers which?

Any of our resident Christ-insanity-ists want to try to deal with this? No, of course not, biblically ignorant cowards never want to deal with any fact or evidence that would make them see that their deeply held believes are divorced from reality.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#675202 Nov 22, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
http://anthropology.net/2007/07/16/parallel-l...
One of many accounts you can find of the natives killing natives. The Aztecs are also well known for not being real nice. Do some serious research.
Sigh.....nice avoidance tactic, Dave.

And gee- yet another Christian way- trying to minimize what the CHRISTIAN settlers did to the Native Americans by pointing out what Native Americans did to each other.

No matter WHAT they did to each other, the vast majority of the Native American population was persecuted, tortured, decimated and killed by the CHRISTIAN settlers who came to the New World.

That IS a fact and you not liking that fact makes it no LESS a fact.

YOUR religion- YOUR ancestors- YOU deal with it.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#675203 Nov 22, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
You're doubts are irrelevant.
I know me better than you know me.
Just as I know myself better than you ever could.

So your opinion of me is EXTREMELY irrelevant.

You're a bottom-feeding, sanctimonious, holier-than-thou, self-righteous "Christian" reprobate.

You may say that it just my opinion and it may be; however, it is an opinion formed based on what you say here.

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#675204 Nov 22, 2013
PROV. 21:l2

("The righteous man wisely considereth the house of the wicked"--KJ, ML, AS, NAB, LV)

versus

("The Righteous One considereth the house of the wicked"--MT, JB, BBE, NEB, TEV, NWT, NI).

Is God or man to do the considering? Can anyone answer this?

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#675205 Nov 22, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Hmmm...
So what is your opinion on the conquest and genocide performed on the Philistines?
I'm not avoiding your question, but I can't answer it now and probably not at any point today.

Much to do and I've got to get busy with that now and then I will be busy having a wonderful weekend with my wonderful man and Topix is the LAST place I'll be.

Maybe next week I'll address this post of yours to which I am responding- simply don't have the time right now.

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#675206 Nov 22, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Reverend Alan wrote:
Here is another one:
Horus c. 3000 BCE
--born of the virgin Isis-Merion December 25 in a cave/manger with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men.
<quoted text>
Lol
First of all, Isis wasn't a virgin, as your fellow Christian hater claimed.
Second, Horus was supposedly born during the month of Khoiak (Oct/Nov).
You'd be wise to do your own research before blindly believing him.
And of course RR we should trust your every word because you believe the Bible; a book with this contradiction in it:

MATT. 18:22

("...I say not unto thee, until 7 times; but until 70 times 7 <i.e., 490>"--KJ, RS, ML, LB, AS, BBE, NEB, NAS, NAB, TEV, LV)

versus

("...I tell you not 7 times, but 77 times"--NI, JB, NWT). There is a big difference between 490 and 77.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#675207 Nov 22, 2013
OCB wrote:
The first link may be a good source, but I'm not sure.

The second link is just a person's opinion. I can't believe you'd post it as fact.

Either way, they are both potentially untrustworthy.

It wouldn't have mattered what religion they were anyway. That you think they were Christian is moot. You can't condemn all Christians because of the possible actions of few. No more than you should hate the cops because some of them are crooked.

If you want to blame Christians for evil acts then you'd better be willing to acknowledge the good acts of the majority.

But I suspect you hate Christians and won't do that.

Go get some mental counseling and get over your hate of Christians, please.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#675208 Nov 22, 2013
DeAngelo of Memphis wrote:
<quoted text>It's really not a good idea to respond to antagonists like her and alot of others. It's only fuel for them to keep posting rude, insulting, non-knowledge-based comments. Best to just ignore them, respond to more sensible posts, and try and keep things at least a bit cordial and hopefully people like her can stop visiting this thread and create their own hate-spewing one!!!
You're right, of course.

It's hard not to react & comment though.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#675209 Nov 22, 2013
OCB wrote:
I didn't ASK about what Native Americans did to each other- and either did RR- he asked for proof that the massacres and systematic killing of Native Americans was carried out by Christians.
I provided him with what he asked for.
You provided opinions.

I asked for evidence.

Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#675210 Nov 22, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Sigh.....nice avoidance tactic, Dave.
And gee- yet another Christian way- trying to minimize what the CHRISTIAN settlers did to the Native Americans by pointing out what Native Americans did to each other.
No matter WHAT they did to each other, the vast majority of the Native American population was persecuted, tortured, decimated and killed by the CHRISTIAN settlers who came to the New World.
That IS a fact and you not liking that fact makes it no LESS a fact.
YOUR religion- YOUR ancestors- YOU deal with it.
I'm still trying to figure out the basis for your moral judgement as your ancestors, ethnic, racial, or religious, have been guilty of the same and worse. Christianity is just one of many, many, many religions. However, it is the one that built the civilization and ethos you now live in. Which means you are double guilty.

Oh, girl, you have a serious price to pay for your ancestor's misdeeds.

Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#675211 Nov 22, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not avoiding your question, but I can't answer it now and probably not at any point today.
Much to do and I've got to get busy with that now and then I will be busy having a wonderful weekend with my wonderful man and Topix is the LAST place I'll be.
Maybe next week I'll address this post of yours to which I am responding- simply don't have the time right now.
Uh huh.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#675212 Nov 22, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus told a wealthy young man who had kept the Old Covenant Law very well to sell all the he had and give it to the poor. He did not include a "Blessed are all those who sell all their possessions and distribute to the poor for they shall..." clause.
Also, if I gave the poor everything I have, they wouldn't be poor and would have to give back to me, cuz now I'm poor.
That logic just doesn't pan out.
It's funny how sometimes those stories from the bible only apply to the specific person they are addressed to, and sometimes they are meant for everyone. Why does jesus tell parables and stories if they are only applicable in a very narrow context?

Also, that story is not the admonition regarding giving found in the bible. The old widow story comes to mind. It doesn't deal directly with giving to the poor, but it suggests that you should give absolutely all that you can manage and then some.

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#675214 Nov 22, 2013
2 SAM. 1:26, "David said, "I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women"

God tells us the following about King David who made love with his boy lover Jonathan:

never doing evil (1 Sam. 25:28),
following God fully (1 Kings 11:6),
being an angel of God(2 Sam. 19:27),
keeping his commandments of God (1 Kings 3:14), and
having a perfect heart with the Lord (1 Kings 15:3)

Who would have thought that homosexuals had a perfect heart with the lord!

I knew that.

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#675215 Nov 22, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text> Breaking and entering and attempted murder is not religiously inspired.
We all know why you lie about God RR.

You need to read your Bible better RR, those activities are God inspired:

THE GOD WHO SAYS "DO NOT STEAL" ORDERS STEALING:

"...and ye shall spoil the Egyptians" (Ex. 3:22).
"...and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord God" (Ezek. 39:10).
"As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies" (Deut. 20:14).

"I will dash them one against another, even the father and the sons together, saith the Lord: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them" (Jer. 13:14).

"Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys" (1 Sam. 15:3).

Nice God you got there RR. NOT!

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