Prove there's a god.

Kaitlin the Wolf Witch

“An Ye Harm None, Do As Ye Will”

Since: May 10

I Am A Religion-Free Zone

#669627 Nov 1, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Ok. Proving love is to hard for you.
I'll make it easy.
Prove you have hands.
Go.
The challenge--and the name of the thread--is prove there's a god.

Go.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#669628 Nov 1, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Why do you think you get to blame the bad on man, but ascribe the good to god? It's an all or nothing proposition. Either he doesn't interfere, or he does.
Have I implied that?

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#669629 Nov 1, 2013
Pat wrote:
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If there is a god how can he possibly be considered good with the existence of sociopaths and pedophiles? If a god exists he is clearly either evil or an eternal failure.
The Bible says there is none good but God. But the Bible also says the following:

GOD CREATES EVIL:
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things" (Isa. 45:7).
"Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that good and evil come?" (Lam. 3:38).
"...that I may repent of the evil, which I purpose to do unto them because of the evil of their doings" (Jer. 26:3).
"...all the evil which I purpose to do unto them; that they may return every man from his evil way; that I may forgive their iniquity and their sin" (Jer. 36:3).
"I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live. And I polluted them in their own gifts...." (Ezek. 20:25-26).
"For thus saith the Lord; as I have brought all this great evil upon this people, so will I bring upon them all the good that I have promised them" (Jer. 32:42).
"...shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?"
(Amos 3:6).

See also: Jer. 11:11, 14:16, 18:11, 19:3, 19:15, 23:12, 26:13, 26:19, 35:17, 36:31, 40:2, 42:10, 42:17, 44:2, 45:5, 49:37, 51:64, Ezek. 6:10, Micah 2:3, 1 Kings 21:29, 2 Chron. 34:24, and 2 Chron. 34:28

EVIL COMES FROM THE LORD:
"it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him" (1 Sam. 16:23).
"it came to pass on the morrow, that the evil spirit from God came upon Saul...." (1 Sam. 18:10).
"the evil spirit from the Lord was upon Saul...." (1 Sam. 19:9).
"Saul's servants said unto him, Behold now, an evil spirit from God troubles thee" (1 Sam. 16:15).
"the spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the Lord troubles him" (1 Sam. 16:14).
"...evil came down from the Lord unto the gate of Jerusalem" (Micah 1:12).
"Thus saith the Lord, Behold I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbor, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun. For thou did it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun" (2 Sam. 12:11-12).
"God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem...." (Judges 9:23).

See also: 1 Kings 14:10, 2 Kings 21:12, and Isa. 31:2.

Are we to believe what we are told about God, or what God tells us about himself?

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#669630 Nov 1, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Ok, I read 2-7 again.
Dunno what you find so funny.
I know what he finds so funny. You! Pretending you are not a sociopath. Try again RR.

Kaitlin the Wolf Witch

“An Ye Harm None, Do As Ye Will”

Since: May 10

I Am A Religion-Free Zone

#669631 Nov 1, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Why do you assume He's ignoring them?
Are you one of those non-believers that's a non-believer because God doesn't *POOF* all our problems away?
He "poofs" away *your* problems, but not those of starving children because they don't believe in the same god you do?

Harsh, dude.

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#669632 Nov 1, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I know how it works.
I also know how you think it works.
Of course you do...

RiversideRedneck

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#669633 Nov 1, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
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The part of the brain that houses the emotions can be weighed and measured. Emotions can not exist of themselves or absent flesh and blood. There is no such thing as the supernatural. Spirituality is what to you? And the soul, many ancient teachings have the biosphere as a place where man can create a soul for himself. After he first creates an astral body.
You have to do things in order RR.
First an essence is created in the sun, and it comes to the earth and finds two people and causes them to have sex so that it can live in the fetus that results. The fetus lives in the world of the womb while it becomes a new body capable of living in the world of the biosphere. When the body is fulyl capable of leaving the world of the womb and can exist in the world of the biosphere something happens that we call birth. After the essence/child has reached the age of 7 the essence discovers it can not survive with out a personality and begins to compensate for what it believes are the weaknesses of the essence. No one remembers doing this compensation.
And then you die. That is called the terror of the situation.
Of course it does not have to end like that. With the help of special schools the personality can be made submissive to the essence and essence can grow and evolve such that a new body begins to form around it, while it is still attached to the physical body it is walking around in on the surface of the planet earth. This new body of attention is what is capable of surviving the death of the planetary physical body but only within the confines of the solar system AKA the Astral Plane.
After the Astral body has fully formed an additional body begins to form around it, a Soul body which is not restricted to life within this solar system but is immortal within the whole entire Universe.
If you want to survive outside the womb, you need a body that can survive in the biosphere, Nature gives you this. If you want to survive the death of your planetary body and have something survive that can live in the solar system you need a body that can survive outside the biosphere and that is an essence body or an astral body. If you want to reach your full potential and live beyond the confines of the solar system you will need to create a soul body for yourself.
If someone has a soul body you can see it under certain conditions, it is like a halo or a glow around the head of the person in possession of such a body.
I know someone who has a soul body and I have seen his soul.
Also I want to make clear that I wrote that with out correcting certain assumptions you have about what you are and how your internal life works.
So put that in your pipe and smoke it.
It seems as though you're doing enough smoking of the pipe for both of us.

"First an essence is created in the sun"?!?

O_o

Hahaha!!!

RiversideRedneck

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#669634 Nov 1, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Sometimes I forget how loopy christian beliefs can get. Satan.. lol.
Oh wait.. did he want me to say that?!?!?!
<quoted text>
Christians and christianity are just as bigoted. "One god only--Bible God!!" Which just so happens to be the one *you* believe in.
I deny your buybull god.
Congratulations!

I don't but your sorcery, either.

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#669635 Nov 1, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
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you can't prove something to someone who refuses to accept it.
to those you just say "you don't want God, then so be it!":
"...what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse...Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts..." Rom 1
Once you REALLY, TRULY believe it all makes sense!

LOL

Â…amazing the order of that, no?

Since: Sep 08

Alamosa, CO

#669636 Nov 1, 2013
Pat wrote:
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If there is a god how can he possibly be considered good with the existence of sociopaths and pedophiles? If a god exists he is clearly either evil or an eternal failure.
You sound more like someone beseeching God than one denying its existence.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#669637 Nov 1, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
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You are losing it here this morning RR. There are a couple words in the Bible I do believe. I have posted them more than once. Your memory seems to be shorter than your dick.
Think hard now. What verses did I post and say that sometimes the Bible gets something right? Come on I know you can do it.
Honestly though, what is there to debate? Would you debate gravity? Maybe sun light?
What you call debate is really your apologetics which is nothing but a dishonest deception to convince someone that black is white and empty is full.
How can you debate the Bat being listed in a long list of birds?
Lev. 11:13-19,
"And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle,
and the ossifrage,
and the ospray,
And the vulture,
and the kite after his kind;
Every raven after his kind;
And the owl,
and the night hawk,
and the cuckow,
and the hawk after his kind,
And the little owl,
and the cormorant,
and the great owl,
And the swan,
and the pelican,
and the gier eagle,
And the stork,
the heron after her kind,
and the lapwing,
and the bat."
And the bat. What is there to debate RR? The Bat is not a fowl.
It was then.

The classification system has since changed.

Moving on...
Pat

East Granby, CT

#669638 Nov 1, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Yes but how is a child that is killed by an errant bomb at fault?
OTHER people are at fault, not God and not the kid.
Well, was god unable or unwilling to prevent the tragedy?

Also, since god created morally challenged humans who then go and make bombs, he is responsible for their actions. If there is a creator god then he is the root cause of all sin.

Kaitlin the Wolf Witch

“An Ye Harm None, Do As Ye Will”

Since: May 10

I Am A Religion-Free Zone

#669639 Nov 1, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
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"What god?" is the question YOU beg with nearly every post YOU make.
You have claimed to have proof. You have not provided that proof.
Hands ARE objectively verifiable things.
There IS proof that mine exist.
I CAN show them to you. They are the proof.
Hands are proof of hands.
It's that simple.
This venue doesn't mean nothing... seeing as it's the one we're using at the moment.
Are there another "venues" we could implement... ones that wouldn't inhibit your ability to demonstrate proof of your god?
There's a BIG fuggin difference between my hands and your god.
Hands are demonstrable.
Do you require step-by-step directions for verifying the existence of mine?
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Only an idiot or an argumentative sunuvabitch would ask a Christian "which god".
Christians always mean "MY GOD--JESUSGOD!!"

Your jesusgod ain't the only one. But you don't want to accept that; you just want everyone to accept what *you* believe.

Sorry, Pappa Bear, but that makes you a bigot.

RiversideRedneck

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#669640 Nov 1, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:

Semantics.
Negative.

All snakes are sentient a but not all serpents are snakes.
Should be easy to prove, then.
Go.
"Easy"?!

LMAO! No one here can even prove they have hands...

Not so easy...

Since: Sep 08

Alamosa, CO

#669641 Nov 1, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
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There is no evidence that the Universe was ever created.
They say the Big Bang did.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#669642 Nov 1, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:

Very funny, very witty; but we'll still have to take that dodge as a big "no."
Like the proof of your god and your answered prayers.
Negative.

serpent
n.
1. A reptile of the order Serpentes; a snake.
2. often Serpent
a. In the Bible, the creature that tempted Eve.
b. Satan.
3. A subtle, sly, or treacherous person.
4. A firework that writhes while burning.
5. Music A deep-voiced wind instrument of serpentine shape, used principally from the 17th to 19th century, about 2.5 meters (8 feet) in length and made of brass or wood.
6. Serpent Serpens.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx...

Pelosi fits definition #3.
Pat

East Granby, CT

#669643 Nov 1, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Yes but how is a child that is killed by an errant bomb at fault?
OTHER people are at fault, not God and not the kid.
How is a baby born blind and retarded at fault? The only one to blame there is your creator god, no? Is he unable or unwilling to prevent birth defects? Does your god like unjust suffering? Nature is proof positive that if there is a god he has no liking for either fairness or love.
Pat

East Granby, CT

#669644 Nov 1, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
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He "poofs" away *your* problems, but not those of starving children because they don't believe in the same god you do?
Harsh, dude.
It's called big ego small brain syndrome.
Pat

East Granby, CT

#669645 Nov 1, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You sound more like someone beseeching God than one denying its existence.
What is there to deny? You theists offer nothing.

Kaitlin the Wolf Witch

“An Ye Harm None, Do As Ye Will”

Since: May 10

I Am A Religion-Free Zone

#669646 Nov 1, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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It's pretty simple, I'll summarize it for you.
If you ignore God, God ignores you.
You'll figure out the rest.
Sounds Pagan, not christian. Paganism is very propitiatory; that means, if we do something nice for the Gods, the Gods will do something nice for us. You just described your god the same way.

I was under the impression that your jeesusgod--make that,*the* jeesusgod--loved everyone, and wanted all to come to him.

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