Prove there's a god.

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Redondo Beach, CA

#669135 Oct 30, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You have to read between the lines, dude.
He responded....
"Naw I don't hate him.... On second thought... yeah, you're right. I hate him."
You see?
I kind of like the dude.

I'm not as much of a socialist as Jesus but, if he existed, he seems to have been a decent person.

Mother Teresa, not so much.

Kaitlin the Wolf Witch

“An Ye Harm None, Do As Ye Will”

Since: May 10

I Am A Religion-Free Zone

#669136 Oct 30, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>So what did you mean then? You said that all jewish people have a right to be cautious around german people, and that if I disagreed with it
I said we have a right to be cautious of Arabs on a plane, and I said the Jews have a right to remember Dachau and the other camps--*YOU* believe it would be "polite" if we all just forgot about it.

"Those who forget the mistakes of the past are condemned to repeat them in the future." Santayana

You accused me of being a racist; you claim that I oppose his health care crap not because it's hypocritical and a total failure and a goatfuck, but rather because Obama is black.

You are the f*cking racist.

AND YOU NEVER GAVE ME THE NAME OF THAT FOX REPORTER THAT YOU CLAIM IS A BLATANT GOP PROPAGANDIST. YOU *KNOW* YOU NEVER HAVE. You are a lying, loser liberal.

Helen Waite is now my official secretary; if you want anything further from me, go to Helen Waite.

Since: Sep 08

Alamosa, CO

#669137 Oct 30, 2013
http://www.infowars.com/a-chip-in-the-head-br...

Ah, Topix atheist Nirvana is in sight.

No need to read their instructions. No bothersome gadgets.

They can just sit there in bliss while their scientists and politicians enlighten them. And tell them how much money to transfer to their accounts. What to do that day. How to do their day. A nice perfect and ordered existence.

Kaitlin the Wolf Witch

“An Ye Harm None, Do As Ye Will”

Since: May 10

I Am A Religion-Free Zone

#669138 Oct 30, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
You accused me of spelling asshole wrong; I explained why I spelled it "azzwhole" instead, you derided me for it, so I spelled it correctly for you. Man, there's just no pleasing some people!
Apsu wrote:
<quoted text>What I asked was: if you are afraid of getting your posts pulled, why use so many obscenities?
You said I misspelled it; I explained why. You're *still* not happy, are you?

Piss off.

Kaitlin the Wolf Witch

“An Ye Harm None, Do As Ye Will”

Since: May 10

I Am A Religion-Free Zone

#669139 Oct 30, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
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It is a mathematical certainty that there is life on other planets. It doesn't mean we'll ever come into contact with any of it, though.
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Carl Sagan, Stephen Hawking, and everydamn astronomer in the business would disagree with you. But you know more than they do, don't you?
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>Really? You don't read much, do you....
Most of my reading is dedicated to veterinary journals.

I'm not interested in your weblog.
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text> http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2010/02.... blaaaah blaaahhh.....
I'll stick with the real scientists, you religio-centric, uneducated fucktard.
Doctor REALITY

Little Rock, AR

#669140 Oct 30, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
You accused me of spelling asshole wrong; I explained why I spelled it "azzwhole" instead, you derided me for it, so I spelled it correctly for you. Man, there's just no pleasing some people!
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You said I misspelled it; I explained why. You're *still* not happy, are you?
Piss off.
Is being a daughter of Satan the Wicked One worth an ETERNITY...in HELL?! The Lord Jesus Christ DIED AT THE HOLY CROSS OF CALVARY FOR YOUR LOST SOUL.

“Spelin 'n' tpyin...”

Since: Feb 08

...are my strong suits!

#669141 Oct 30, 2013
Helen Waite!

<giggles>

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#669142 Oct 30, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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I kind of like the dude.
I'm not as much of a socialist as Jesus but, if he existed, he seems to have been a decent person.
Mother Teresa, not so much.
Jesus wasn't a socialist, He made a point to stay out of politics.

"Render into Caesar what is Caesar's."

Kaitlin the Wolf Witch

“An Ye Harm None, Do As Ye Will”

Since: May 10

I Am A Religion-Free Zone

#669145 Oct 30, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
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It is a mathematical certainty that there is life on other planets. It doesn't mean we'll ever come into contact with any of it, though.
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Carl Sagan, Stephen Hawking, and everydamn astronomer in the business would disagree with you. But you know more than they do, don't you?
waaasssuuup wrote:
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you and me have SO much faith in common that it's a shame you're too stubborn to concede anything to me....
You're always wrong; fuck off already.

Kaitlin the Wolf Witch

“An Ye Harm None, Do As Ye Will”

Since: May 10

I Am A Religion-Free Zone

#669146 Oct 30, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
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dude - if you ordered a tom collins in a bar in my hood, you'd probably either get beat-up or propositioned by another guy;)
Do you prefer semen in a glass or straight from the tap?

Kaitlin the Wolf Witch

“An Ye Harm None, Do As Ye Will”

Since: May 10

I Am A Religion-Free Zone

#669148 Oct 30, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
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huh? i'm a fact based person all the way. however, you must understand that just as there are physical facts/laws, there are also spiritual facts/laws. Jesus demonstrated this perfectly as we can see from studying His biographies/Gospels:)
orangelion wrote:
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Why are you Christian?
Because he'd rather have someone else tell him what to believe. Thinking makes his li'l brain hurt.
Yes He is real

Branson, MO

#669150 Oct 30, 2013
Energy in a system may take on various forms (e.g. kinetic, potential, heat, light). The law of conservation of energy states that energy may neither be created nor destroyed. Therefore the sum of all the energies in the system is a constant.
God, can not be created, nor destroy, has always been will always be, always changing.
God is everything beginning, end, the Alpha, the Omega.
This energy is found in EVERY SINGLE thing in some form. If God is EVERYTHING, this makes complete sense. And if everything is linked by one source that is and will and has always been, since it can not be created nor destroyed, this explains good and evil and the necessity to live without sin, or wrongs.
Also if thoughts can even produce a measurable amount of energy in some for, this explains how people without sin and away from any visible sins can and are effected by the situations around them too.
If my thought produces energy that has enough power to be measured, and that energy effects you, it is safe to say my good or bad though effects how that energy will react or effect things. It is it has no mind to decide what it effects once I produce the thoughts (which are produced along with every action as well). I already made that effect predetermined by the positive or negative thought I had, with our without the action (the brain knows no difference between just thinking of an action or physically doing such).
So my bad thoughts, will effect others even on a positive or negative level as well as my physical actions.
The bible shows this, science shows all of this. God is real, GOD IS EVERYTHING. God has ALWAYS been and WILL ALWAYS BE!
God however is NOT a man flying high in the sky living in a castle.
Voltaire :If God did not exist, we would have to invent him.
Also if your thoughts do produce things into existence, science is now having to question this. If there was really no God, and we are proving all we see is energy being accepted by us in a visual form, wouldn't the simply thought, what if God is create a God?!
Sins and being punish for it is a reaction of the energy we produce, to yourself and to the sinless as well. That is why it is IMPORTANT to do good, a single thought can effect another. That is always why people report white lights and a feeling of being distance to actual feeling but feeling more connected to everything, we simply become a different form of this energy, that is always changing.
God is EVERYTHING. This is, has been, and always will be by science even. There is a God, that is God, God is EVERYTHING! EVERYTHING.
Not just some man in the sky, EVERYTHING!
God is just a name people have giving it! God has MANY MANY names, it is easier to grasp than everything, and always, the human mind can not fully do this, that is why we all struggle.
Simplifying things is a way to show all people things, some try with the bible, some science, but it REALLY is that simple. It is like they all say, it is EVERYTHING!
Einstein said "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough”
Both science and religion should try this a little more, seeing is how a genius pointed this out. Words do not make your smart, a higher IQ does.
My unhappiness effects you, and happiness does too, since these are part of my thought processes. As well as yours effect me. I want you to be well, so your effects benefit me, and I want to be well to do the same for you, since each of us benefit positively from this. Negatively without this.

Kaitlin the Wolf Witch

“An Ye Harm None, Do As Ye Will”

Since: May 10

I Am A Religion-Free Zone

#669151 Oct 30, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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"spiritual facts/laws"
LOL…oh, do please list a few of those!
waaasssuuup wrote:
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All mental and/or emotional facts/laws are spiritual facts/laws and they're directly related to the physical.
And once again, waaasssuuup pulls his ideas from his ass, like swallowed dental floss.
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>For instance – doctors say that stress is the number 1 cause of heart disease. We know that the heart is a physical organ in the body, but what is stress; is it physical/tangible in nature or spiritual?
Physical and psychological, you moron. It's the psychology of stress that produces the physical results.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#669152 Oct 30, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Ah yes. The ole scientific evidence.
Lemme ask, which version are you gonna use to prove your belief?
You say humans are 200,000 years old. I've heard that before. I've also heard over a million. And the YECers say something like 6,000.
So, which is it?
200,000? It can be "proven".
1,000,000? It can be "proven".
6,000? It can be "proven".
You have no evidence, you only have your scientific beliefs
See, that's why I wouldn't do your homework....I would do the work and you just dismiss it out of hand; without any research at all.

200,000 years can be proven by circumstantial evidence.

1,00000 years no proof at all.
6,000 years absolutely no proof.

So how old do you think the humans race is?

Kaitlin the Wolf Witch

“An Ye Harm None, Do As Ye Will”

Since: May 10

I Am A Religion-Free Zone

#669153 Oct 30, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
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yes - my beliefs are based on the Christ of the Bible - aka the meticulously preserved biographies from eye-witnesesses.
There were no eye witnesses, moron; the buybull proves that.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#669155 Oct 30, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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"Of course science had nothing to do with starting the process, but it does take the credit for figuring out what actually DID happen."
You said that with a straight face?
Show me the documents where they attest to that fact of yours. You know, the official stuff, not Dawkin's or Modern Atheist articles.
I don't do your homework. If you really wanted to know the truth of these things we talk about on the forum you would research it yourself.

I have been researching and learning about this stuff for years and I am not trying to mislead anybody. It is the scientific consensus that I pass on here, not my opinions.

Besides this forum is to limited in scope to list it all.

If you are really interested you will do the work.

Richard Dawkins is a bona fide scientist

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#669156 Oct 30, 2013
to=too

Sorry

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#669157 Oct 30, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You can't trust science, dude. Especially the theories. They just change too much.
They don't, actually. They are refined, and ideas are added or subtracted, but the "big ones" (the standard model and the TOE, etc) have not changed significantly in a while. Evolution especially. And again, how do you expect us to gain knowledge and learn without our theories about the world reflecting new information/ideas? Do you suggest that we refrain from sharing knowledge at all until we know *everything* there is to know?

Even more significant, how do you propose we learn about the world if we "can't trust science?" What other method of knowledge acquisition can do it better? I'm sure we would all be very happy if you have they key to omniscience sitting in your pocket.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#669158 Oct 30, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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See how you talk about what we "know"....?
It's friggin hilarious.
Again, should I add a disclaimer that it could be wrong? It is what we know based on the current information, and there is only a tiny chance we are wrong. When I say I "know" adam and eve didn't exist, I am basing my opinion on evidence from *several* different scientific fields, and you are basing yours on an ancient book of fairy tales and a delusional episode you had a while back.

Since: May 07

Muncie, IN

#669159 Oct 30, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
the Magic which was practiced in Egypt was not real magic, it was only some visual tricks which appeared to be real, But Moses miracle was different
Quran 7:115-122
They said, "O Moses, either you throw [your staff], or we will be the ones to throw [first], He said, "Throw," and when they threw, they bewitched the eyes of the people and struck terror into them, and they presented a great [feat of] magic.
And We inspired to Moses, "Throw your staff," and at once it devoured what they were falsifying.
-"So the truth was established, and abolished was what they were doing. "
-"And Pharaoh and his people were overcome right there and became debased. "
-"And the magicians fell down in prostration [to Allah ]"
-"They said, "We have believed in the Lord of the worlds,The Lord of Moses and Aaron."
after that the Pharoah of egypt cut off the hands and feet of those magicians who believed in Moses prophecy and God.
so in short words there was no real magic only visual tricks so that's why the creator challenged them with actual magic which is Moses miracle.
This does not show that "Moses' miracle was different." It only proves that the Quran tells a story from Judaic mythology.
Using religous sacred texts to somehow "prove" that religion is right is called circular reasoning.
It is a logical fallacy.
hazem selawi wrote:
you said that the Exodus from Egypt was never proved, for a long time maybe centuries not only the Christians but some of the Jews have been arguing about Moses if he really existed or just a story made up, some of big Christians scholars said that Moses didn't exist or the pharaoh himself didn't exist either, they said maybe its just a nice story, and maybe some of these stories were made up to encourage the troops and what so ever,
It is possible that Moses might be a dramatized version of a priest of pharaoh Akhenaten, who tried to introduce monotheism to Egypt (unsuccessfully).
hazem selawi wrote:
in the Quran there is a statement a very strange statement and it was discovered by a non Muslim scientist in the early seventies , his name is Doctor Maurice Bucaille (You can google his name ), that maurice Bucaille came all the way from France to examine the body of a mummy in Egypt so after a long search and examining he found out that this mummy died out of drowning, and believe it or not that mummy was toured all over the world, this Mummy of the Pharaoh was moved to France and to America and back to Cairo , the Statement in The Quran is in verse 10:92 " So today We will save you in body that you may be to those who succeed you a sign. And indeed, many among the people, of Our signs, are heedless" ,so when Maurice Bucaille found out that this Pharoah died drowning he was shocked and thought it was a big news for Egyptians but they told him it is a very old news for Muslims, it is clear in the quran that the pharaoh of Moses wad drowned he was shocked.
After that in 1976 Bucaille published his book, The Bible, The Qur'an and Science which argued that the Qur'an contains no statements contradicting established scientific facts, Bucaille argued that the Qur'an is in agreement with scientific facts, while the Bible is not.
Bucaille's work is not taken seriously by anyone outside of the Muslim world, though. Muslims like his work because his ideas agree with their pre-determined beliefs. His work first requires one to believe in magic and the supernatural (in other words, not science).

For example, in relation to the mummy in question, Bucaille just assumed that he died of drowning. He never explains how water would cause a head injury or how a body would be recovered from such a deep body of water; he just declared the mummy to have died by drowning. He didn't "find out" anything, he "made up" something. He then went on to relate what he made up to a verse in the Quran. This isn't difficult to do.

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