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That there is historical evidence of Jesus Christ.
I know you hate that, but it's true.
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No, dumbass. Prove that there's more historical evidence of Spider-man than Jesus.
Go.
There is no historical evidence that Jesus ever existed. What we have are 4 contradictory Gospel accounts.

A. At what time in the morning did the women visit the tomb?- At the rising of the sun (Mark 16:2) vs. when it was yet dark (John 20:1)

B. Who came?- Mary Magdalene alone (John 20:1) vs. Mary Magdalene and the other Mary (Matt. 28:1) vs. Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Salome (Mark 16:1) vs. Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James and other women (Luke 24:10)

C. Was the tomb opened or closed when they arrived?- Open (Luke 24:2) vs. closed (Matt 28:1-2)

D. Whom did they see at the tomb?- The angel (Matt. 28:2) vs. a young man (Mark 16:5) vs. two men (Luke 24:4) vs. two angels (John 20:11-12)

E. Were these men or angels inside or outside the tomb?-Outside (Matt. 28.2) vs. inside (Mark 16:5, Luke 24:3-4, John 20:11-12).

F. Were they standing or sitting?- Standing (Luke 24:4) vs. sitting (Matt. 28:2, Mark 16:5, John 20:12).

G. Did Mary Magdalene know Jesus when he first appeared to her?-Yes, she did (Matt. 28:9) vs. no she did not (John 20:14).

If the stories were consistent, one could write one long continuous narrative incorporating all four versions without fear of divergencies. Yet, this has never been done without adding, altering or omitting key verses. Apologists often submit the witness-at-an-auto-accident argument which is quite irrelevant since two diametrically opposed and mutually exclusive versions of the same event can not be simultaneously accurate. One or the other is false. Moreover, witnesses at an accident, unlike gospel writers, are not claiming inerrancy.

Thomas Paine summarized the relationship between the gospels quite well: "...it is, I believe, impossible to find in any story upon record so many and such glaring absurdities, contradictions, and falsehoods, as are in the books (Matthew, Mark, Luke & John). They are more numerous and striking than I had any expectation of finding, when I began this examination,..." (Age of Reason by Thomas Paine, page 167)

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Doctor REALITY wrote:
<quoted text>If you die without accepting this Person, you're going to see this image in your mind....FOREVER and EVER...from the dark, bottomless recesses....of HELL:
Your assertions are wholly unconvincing.

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Atlantis existed. Of course, if it did it would interfere with the academic accounts of our existence and how it came to be, and just what we are. This interferes with economic interests.

This is a very old story when it was written, and it was old before the writer of that story even heard about it. Critias and Timaeus are interesting stories for being so old. The Egyptian scribe describing the rise and falls of previous civilizations, and environmental destruction of them should be an eye opener.

Now I will tell you why Atlantis "sunk" into the ocean.

Read the stroy and you will see mention of seawalls lined with different metals. In saltwater. The whole area became a battery. The energy source for any technology they possessed. The more they tapped into that battery the more current they pulled out of the earth, and the more magnetic force generated. This force followed the way the electrical poles were arranged. They created an electromagnet within the greater magnetic field of the earth. But there was no switch to turn it off. It became a permanent fixture.

The internal dynamo of the earth produces our magnetosphere. It is stronger than you think. As a magnetic field you have flux lines extending outward in a fixed polarity, but that polarity works in two directions. You have the north and south you are used to, and you have the stronger flux lines below the weaker flux lines. You have a field strength differential that creates another magnetic attraction. A force is exerted seeking relief.

So you have a polarized magnetic field on the earth's surface caught within a much larger field. Play with different strength magnets a bit and you will see what happens when they get in proximity. Add to this the natural electrical flows in the ocean and land interacting with those created by this huge battery they created. Electrical flows can be very hard to break. It is something that tries to shrink just like magnetic fields.

The earth sucked the artificial EM environment created by Atlantis toward the dynamo. The natural telluric currents helped shape that artificial field, aligning it to be drawn into the larger, and the strength of it got too much for the crust to bear on the squishy layer beneath it. The crust collapsed. This sent a wave out in that squishy layer that lifted Africa and set it into motion to drift.

We have a similar situation now with our electrical grids, but the AC nature mitigates the effects, and it is spread over a much larger area. But the fact is we created a separate EM flow from the larger natural one created by the earth's transfer of energy within itself and what it receives from the cosmos. There is a bumping of heads from what we want to do and what the earth wants to do. This is as basic physics as you can get.

Of course, what we do is also determined by what the earth wants to do. We are part of it as physical beings, not separated from it as, surprisingly, the most fanatic treehuggers would like to think. The earth's energy is passed through us as much as it does through rocks.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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No, Jesus isn't a myth.
I thought you knew.
Jesus is a myth. How many times has this myth been re-invented over the last 10,000 years?

https://www.youtube.com/watch...

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Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
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<quoted text>Of course love can be proved
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I thought the name of the thread was "Prove there's a god."
Go.
Good one.

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Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
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...and your point is?
You are trying desperately to avoid it,
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No it's not. There is no historical evidence of jesus. If you are attempting to refer to the Shroud of Turin, that was already debunked.
Jesus was based on older myths.
This is one of the best presentations I have ever seen that explains all of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch...

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Double Fine wrote:
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No Dave. Stick to magnets and balloons; Geology most certainly is not your forte.
I don't care what you think of the term, old boy. What is important, is that you understand there are a great many reasons why a certain piece of earth exists where it stands.
Did you know that all mountains either increase or decrease in height? Can you tell us why?
Did you know that sedimentary rock erodes faster than volcanic rock? Can you tell us why?
You have a very limited knowledge on geology Dave. If I were you, I would not draw any conclusions.
Your understanding of those things is on the very simple side, Prince Double Fine.

You are very young yet. Your understandings are thus limited.

Oh, Prince of the Stardust Lounge, the Adonis wannabe desiring the worship of the women, the glib bon vivant. Let me clue you into a reality.

You can sit there and be as charming and glib as you wish in attracting the ladies. They can be all gathered around you, attracted by your show. But let an old well dressed man flashing cash walk in and see where they go sit.

Don't worry, it won't be me.

:-)

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Doctor REALITY wrote:
<quoted text>You Evil, S-T-A-N-K-I-N' WITCH!!
JESUS: Matthew 25:40 MARY “Truly I tell you, whatever you do to the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you do to me.”

Why are you calling Jesus "Evil, stankin witch"?

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Catcher1 wrote:
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RR gets his jollies smacking women and babies.
And bragging of his racism and mysoginy.
And being a smartass.
Isn't that what being a Christ-insanity-ist is all about?

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You proved nothing, all you did was post a list of names and make a claim.*That* isn't proof.
You want proof:

https://www.youtube.com/watch...

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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There is evidence.
"Ancient Evidence for Jesus from Non-Christian Sources"
http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNsEoG/b.422...
You won't like the evidence. You probably won't even read it.
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No He wasn't.
All of the extra-biblical "evidence" are Christian forgeries.

Watch this for some truth:

https://www.youtube.com/watch...

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I like Hannity, too. But I also like Limbaugh and O'Reilly.
Like this:
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Sharkey wrote:
<quoted text>You are full of sh!t [RR].
That explains why there is no difference between what comes out of his A$$ and what comes out of his mouth.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text> And you called that proof....
Attis, of Phyrigia, born of the virgin Nana on December 25th, crucified, placed in a tomb and after 3 days, was resurrected.

Krishna, of India, born of the virgin Devaki with a star in the east signaling his coming, performed miracles with his disciples, and upon his death was resurrected.

Dionysus of Greece, born of a virgin on December 25th, was a traveling teacher who performed miracles such as turning water into wine, he was referred to as the "King of Kings," "God's Only Begotten Son," "The Alpha and Omega," and many others, and upon his death, he was resurrected.

Mithra, of Persia, born of a virgin on December 25th, he had 12 disciples and performed miracles, and upon his death was buried for 3 days and thus resurrected, he was also referred to as "The Truth," "The Light," and many others. Interestingly, the sacred day of worship of Mithra was Sunday.

The fact of the matter is there are numerous saviors, from different periods, from all over the world, which subscribe to these general characteristics. The question remains: why these attributes, why the virgin birth on December 25th, why dead for three days and the inevitable resurrection, why 12 disciples or followers? To find out, let's examine the most recent of the solar messiahs.

Jesus Christ was born of the virgin Mary on December 25th in Bethlehem, his birth was announced by a star in the east, which three kings or magi followed to locate and adorn the new savior. He was a child teacher at 12, at the age of 30 he was baptized by John the Baptist, and thus began his ministry. Jesus had 12 disciples which he traveled about with performing miracles such as healing the sick, walking on water, raising the dead, he was also known as the "King of Kings," the "Son of God," the "Light of the World," the "Alpha and Omega," the "Lamb of God," and many others. After being betrayed by his disciple Judas and sold for 30 pieces of silver, he was crucified, placed in a tomb and after 3 days was resurrected and ascended into Heaven.

[Born of a virgin
Born on Dec. 25
Star in the East]

First of all, the birth sequence is completely astrological. The star in the east is Sirius, the brightest star in the night sky, which, on December 24, aligns with the 3 brightest stars in Orion's Belt. These 3 bright stars are called today what they were called in ancient times: The Three Kings. The Three Kings and the brightest star, Sirius, all point to the place of the sunrise on December 25th. This is why the Three Kings "follow" the star in the east, in order to locate the sunrise — the birth of the sun.

The Virgin Mary is the constellation Virgo, also known as Virgo the Virgin. Virgo in Latin means virgin. The ancient glyph for Virgo is the altered "m". This is why Mary along with other virgin mothers, such as Adonis's mother Myrra, or Buddha's mother Maya begin with an M. Virgo is also referred to as the House of Bread, and the representation of Virgo is a virgin holding a sheaf of wheat. This House of Bread and its symbol of wheat represents August and September, the time of harvest. In turn, Bethlehem, in fact, literally translates to "house of bread". Bethlehem is thus a reference to the constellation Virgo, a place in the sky, not on Earth.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You're just thick-headed.
pot/kettle

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Catcher1 wrote:
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I am quite white.
You are white trash.
And a racist.
And apparently stupid, too.
LOL!!!

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scaritual wrote:
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Sounds like Christianity and the bible.
Excellent!

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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, the Roman historian Tacitus wrote:
Except for Josephus probably no writer of antiquity has been more relied upon by apologists to prove the existence of Jesus than the Roman historian, Tacitus. In the Annals he related the measures taken by Nero to lessen the suffering brought about by the great fire in Rome in 64 A.D. as well as remove its traces and, then allegedly made the following statements: "But neither the aid of man, nor the liberality of the prince, nor the propitiations of the gods succeeded in destroying the belief that the fire had been purposely lit. In order to put an end to this rumor, therefore, Nero laid the blame on and visited with severe punishment those men, hateful for their crimes, whom the people called Christians. He from whom the name was derived, Christus, was put to death by the procurator Pontius Pilate in the reign of Tiberius. But the pernicious superstition, checked for a moment, broke out again, not only in Judea, the native land of the monstrosity, but also in Rome, to which all conceivable horrors and abominations flow from every side, and find supporters.
First, therefore, those were arrested who openly confessed; then, on their information, a great number, who were not so much convicted of the fire as of hatred of the human race. Ridicule was passed on them as they died; so that, clothed in skins of beasts, they were torn to pieces by dogs, or crucified, or committed to the flames, and when the sun had gone down they were burned to light up the night. Nero had lent his garden for this spectacle, and gave games in the Circus, mixing with the people in the dress of a charioteer or standing in the chariot. Hence there was a strong sympathy for them, though they might have been guilty enough to deserve the severest punishment, on the ground that they were sacrificed, not to the general good, but to the cruelty of one man." (Annals XV, 44).

The number of problems associated with this paragraph are almost too numerous to mention:

to be continued

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Reverend Alan wrote:
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What is a "profesor"? And yes, you meet the classic definition of apologist. Therefore you are one.
a professor is one who professes what he knows - duh! are you gonna (gonna = going to) sweat me over spelling on a blog? do you do the same when texting, nerd?

i will only apologize to you if you humble yourself and apologize to me/us Christians; otherwise we're on opposite sides of the epic war of good vs evil and YOU are on the evil side of the battle!:-)

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(1) It is extremely improbable that a special report found by Tacitus had been sent earlier to Rome and incorporated into the records of the Senate, in regard to the death of a Jewish provincial, Jesus. The execution of a Nazareth carpenter would have been one of the most insignificant events conceivable among the movements of Roman history in those decades; it would have completely disappeared beneath the innumerable executions inflicted by Roman provincial authorities. For it to have been kept in any report would have been a most remarkable instance of chance. That the founder of Christianity was put to death under Tiberius by the procurator Pontius Pilate must have been discovered in the same archive which, according to Tertullian, also said the sun was darkened at midday when Jesus died.
(2) The phrase "multitudo ingens" which means "a great number" is opposed to all that we know of the spread of the new faith in Rome at the time. A vast multitude in 64 A.D.? There were not more than a few thousand Christians 200 years later.
(3) Death by fire was not a form of punishment inflicted at Rome in the time of Nero. It is opposed to the moderate principles on which the accused were then dealt with by the State. The use of the Christians as "living torches," as Tacitus describes, and all the other atrocities that were committed against them, have little title to credence, and suggest an imagination exalted by reading stories of the later Christian martyrs.
(4) The Roman authorities can have had no reason to inflict special punishment on the new faith. How could the non-initiated Romans know what were the concerns of a comparatively small religious sect, which was connected with Judaism and must have seemed to the impartial observer wholly identical with it.
(5) Suetonius himself says that Nero showed the utmost indifference, even contempt in regard to religious sects. Even afterwards the Christians were not persecuted for their faith, but for political reasons, for their contempt of the Roman state and emperor, and as disturbers of the unity and peace of the empire. What reason, then can Nero have had to proceed against the Christians, hardly distinguishable from the Jews, as a new and criminal sect.
(6) It is inconceivable that the followers of Jesus formed a community in the city at that time of sufficient importance to attract public attention and the ill-feeling of the people.
(7) The victims could not have been given to the flames in the gardens of Nero, as Tacitus allegedly said. According to another account by Tacitus these gardens were the refuge of those whose homes had been burned and were full of tents and wooden sheds. It is hardly probable that Nero would have incurred the risk of a second fire by his living torches.
(8) According to Tacitus, Nero was in Antium, not Rome, when the fire occurred.
(9) The blood-curdling story about the frightful orgies of Nero reads like some Christian romance of the Dark Ages and not like Tacitus. Suetonius, while mercilessly condemning the reign of Nero, says that in his public entertainments Nero took particular care that no lives should be sacrificed, "not even those of condemned criminals."
(10) It is highly unlikely that he mingled with the crowd and feasted his eyes on the ghastly spectacle. Tacitus tells us in his life of Agricola that Nero had crimes committed, but kept his own eyes off them.

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