Prove there's a god.

Since: May 07

Muncie, IN

#666215 Oct 21, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
I get tired of having to repeat myself to people who sit and stare, dull-eyed and slack-jawed, who finally look up from their stupor to ask, "Duh, what did you say?"
It might work out better for you, o wooden one, if you call them a "pinko."

Just saying...

Kaitlin the Wolf Witch

“An Ye Harm None, Do As Ye Will”

Since: May 10

I Am A Religion-Free Zone

#666220 Oct 21, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
<quoted text>
Gimme money.
Socialism is good, you say? Then redistribute some of your wealth my way. I want a new car and a new stereo, and I need new health care since my boss can't afford it and had to cut me to 30 hours a week. Now I'm forced to buy something that I can't even access over the internet, and if I don't buy it I'll be punished.
As someone who's being forced into socialism, I'm entitled to some of your money.
Now, gimme.
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>You're aware that much of the US economy has been socialized in one form or the other for a long time, correct?
I said, gimme money. I'm entitled to it. Redistribute some of your wealth my way, because I'm entitled to it and I need it. I can't even afford my own health insurance, thanks to your buddy Nobama; now, live up to your socialist standard and gimme your money.

Since: Oct 13

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#666222 Oct 22, 2013
Apsu wrote:
<quoted text>No, that would be your delusions getting more vivid.
Apsu you don't have any kind of reasoning, maybe because you are used to some stupid allegorical questions, like who brought who and which came first, the chicken or the egg? or lets prove Jesus existed or didn't , my way is different I tell you its your right to see a living miracle, that's why god when sent prophets he gave them some miracles like walking on water and curing the blind ...or Moses magical power from god, and those who saw these miracles it was easier for them to believe in the creator, but you didn't see any of these miracles nor I did, so Its your right to see miracles in order to believe in the existence of god, but we believe that Mohammed is the last messenger to the world and the Quran is his Living miracle till the end of the world, but you didn't like any of the previous subjects (spiders, Skin and finger tips ) so it would be really nice of you if you told me what field you are interested in , do you like astronomy and space , geology and seas , medicine , historical events or any random subject ????
my plan was to start from the simplest proofs like spiders and fingertips so instead of pointing fingers I admit it was my fault to bring subjects which may not interest anybody in here.

I am trying to prove that it was impossible for Mohammed to write the Quran, since we do have some versus which was proved recently by modern science, it is possible that Mohammed himself didn't know
any of these scientific facts because he didn't discuss any of these science facts with his people and tribe (they were interested in poetry ), Jeus was sent to Isreal where people at that time were interested in medicine that's why Jeus (Issa in Arabic) had some miracles like curing the blind and walking on water (these subjects would certainly be important to this kind of people), But the Quran was sent to Arabs and in Arabic language to those who are interested in poetry and Arabic language and at the time of it only focused on the poetry , Arabic Language perfection (moving a word would instantly change the whole meaning of the verse and maybe the entire Surah and may also contradict with other versus ) and some historical events Mohammed talked about before it happened at that time, and there some versus directly challenge all humans to get a single chapter like Quran , and for scientific facts in the Quran was only mentioned after the 19th and 20th century and after the improvement of modern science .

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#666223 Oct 22, 2013
Apsu wrote:
<quoted text>It might work out better for you, o wooden one, if you call them a "pinko."
Just saying...
It might work out better for everyone, if we wrap your head with several rolls of duct tape. lol

Since: May 07

Muncie, IN

#666224 Oct 22, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
Apsu you don't have any kind of reasoning, maybe because you are used to some stupid allegorical questions, like who brought who and which came first, the chicken or the egg? or lets prove Jesus existed or didn't,
Rather, I can recognize when someone is using confusion as a "proof" of God. Your basic logic follows this pattern:
1)can you understand this convoluted twaddle?
2)therefore, God exists
hazem selawi wrote:
my way is different I tell you its your right to see a living miracle,
Like an elf?
hazem selawi wrote:
that's why god when sent prophets he gave them some miracles like walking on water and curing the blind ...or Moses magical power from god, and those who saw these miracles it was easier for them to believe in the creator, but you didn't see any of these miracles nor I did,
I've never seen any elves, either.
Amazing how much your stories and those of elves have in common, eh?
hazem selawi wrote:
so Its your right to see miracles in order to believe in the existence of god,
Elves, too. You forgot elves, Hazem.
hazem selawi wrote:
but we believe that Mohammed is the last messenger to the world and the Quran is his Living miracle till the end of the world,
Others believe it is a large ball of spaghetti (with two meatballs) that hangs out at a holy beer volcano. The living miracle is spaghetti. Yum.
Your belief is just as sensible.
hazem selawi wrote:
but you didn't like any of the previous subjects (spiders, Skin and finger tips ) so it would be really nice of you if you told me what field you are interested in , do you like astronomy and space , geology and seas , medicine , historical events or any random subject ????
Elves.
Definitely elves.
hazem selawi wrote:
my plan was to start from the simplest proofs like spiders and fingertips so instead of pointing fingers I admit it was my fault to bring subjects which may not interest anybody in here.
You have yet to explain elves.
hazem selawi wrote:
I am trying to prove that it was impossible for Mohammed to write the Quran, since we do have some versus which was proved recently by modern science, it is possible that Mohammed himself didn't know any of these scientific facts because he didn't discuss any of these science facts with his people and tribe (they were interested in poetry ), Jeus was sent to Isreal where people at that time were interested in medicine that's why Jeus (Issa in Arabic) had some miracles like curing the blind and walking on water (these subjects would certainly be important to this kind of people), But the Quran was sent to Arabs and in Arabic language to those who are interested in poetry and Arabic language and at the time of it only focused on the poetry , Arabic Language perfection (moving a word would instantly change the whole meaning of the verse and maybe the entire Surah and may also contradict with other versus ) and some historical events Mohammed talked about before it happened at that time, and there some versus directly challenge all humans to get a single chapter like Quran , and for scientific facts in the Quran was only mentioned after the 19th and 20th century and after the improvement of modern science .
Here again, you are just jibber-jabbering a whole host of unintelligible nonsense and incorporating Judeo-Christian mythology and something about Mohammed. The Quran bears no relationship with science, and any connections you are making are simply convoluted associations between the two that are utilized in ways that could also be used to "prove" the existence of a cosmic, divine ball of all-powerful spaghetti (with two meatballs, of course).

Now, how about elves? How does the Quran justify elves, I am curious.

Since: May 07

Muncie, IN

#666225 Oct 22, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
<quoted text>
Gimme money.
Socialism is good, you say? Then redistribute some of your wealth my way. I want a new car and a new stereo, and I need new health care since my boss can't afford it and had to cut me to 30 hours a week. Now I'm forced to buy something that I can't even access over the internet, and if I don't buy it I'll be punished.
As someone who's being forced into socialism, I'm entitled to some of your money.
Now, gimme.
<quoted text>
I said, gimme money. I'm entitled to it. Redistribute some of your wealth my way, because I'm entitled to it and I need it. I can't even afford my own health insurance, thanks to your buddy Nobama; now, live up to your socialist standard and gimme your money.
You don't even know what socialism is, o wooden one.

“Evil Atheist :-)”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#666226 Oct 22, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
<quoted text>
Man ..!! could you call a home where the family members eat each other a strong home ?!! could you call a home where the female eats the male or kill him during mate a strong home ?!! the spiders don't have any family relations, define home or house ..!! spiders houses certainly cannot be called the strongest houses because its very weak within the house members, in so many cases the male die during the mate, sometimes he got bit or killed by the female even if he got away after the mate he still could be killed the next time and so on, even the mother could be eaten by her childs (spiderlings) or in some cases Just die after putting the silk bag ,
Makes you wonder why your God would create such horrible creatures doesn't it?
hazem selawi wrote:
the point is the spider home can never be a strong home even if it was made by a very strong silk ties, it is very strong from the outside but the weakest from the inside, thats why the verse said only if they knew ..!! now we know its a very strong house and very weak from the inside .
The strength of a home has nothing to do with the creatures in side it. The verse says the spiders home is weak not its home life.

But that's not my real argument (or the one you replied too here). My argument is that the verse says nothing about spider silk being strong yet somehow you think it does and that that is a miracle?
You are adding meanings to words that simply aren't there and can't be justified no matter how much you twist the words.

The Quran only says what it says, nothing more.

“Evil Atheist :-)”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#666227 Oct 22, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
<quoted text>
so Now you claim that Mohammed was able to reach to this accurate information about the people in the ancient Babylon in the second millennium who used their finger prints as a signature and brought it back to Mekkah in Saudi Arabia and thus he wrote the verse "Yea indeed, We are able to make whole his very finger-tips! "
alright so far we concluded that Mohammed knew some facts about the very inside of the spider's house, mentioned Skin by Coincidence or knew that once skin is burnt the body won't feel the pain of other organs burning under that skin, and finally reached to the fact that The Babylonians used their finger prints as signatures or simply wrote a poet about fingertips ..!!! I think we are making some progress in here .
The Quran says fingertips not fingerprints!
Stop twisting the words of the Quran to suit your own needs.

Also do not insult your ancestors by claiming they were ignorance of simple easily observed facts.

But if you insist on believing these verses are somehow miraculous then try explaining this one.

18.86: Until, when he reached (the) setting place (of) the sun, he found it setting in a spring (of) dark mud,...
http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp...

“Evil Atheist :-)”

Since: Mar 07

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#666228 Oct 22, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
<quoted text>
hahah your words really encourage me to talk more ,thus I am going to bring a new proof specially to you since you didnt like the spiders story, lets talk about another insect "ants for instance "
watch this interesting movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =UEGPOaAilvcXX
hazem selawi wrote:
<quoted text>
hahah your words really encourage me to talk more ,thus I am going to bring a new proof specially to you since you didnt like the spiders story, lets talk about another insect "ants for instance "
watch this interesting movie http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Oh grief! Now its talking ants!

Yes ant have a very simple language but what they can not do is say (27:19)“O ye ants, get into Your habitations, lest Solomon And his hosts crush you (Under foot) without knowing it.” but if you really believe that then what about talking birds? The story continues:

27.22/3 But the Hoopoe tarried not far: he (came up and) said: "I have compassed (territory) which thou hast not compassed, and I have come to thee from Saba with tidings true.
I found (there) a woman ruling over them and provided with every requisite; and she has a magnificent throne.

Can Hoopoe birds really talk like that?

Since: Jul 09

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#666229 Oct 22, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Incorrect.
Everyone does not have hands.
prove that

Since: Apr 09

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#666230 Oct 22, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
<quoted text>
Hello "Just think" I am sorry i was a little bit busy yesterday,
yes so far I showed you 3 subjects , Spiders, fingertips and the pain (nerves) proof, but this time I want you to tell me what interests you , Perhaps I can bring a proof which suites you, what field are you interested in ?!
Hundreds of things interest me.

However, for the purposes of this discussion, we are all awaiting for you to provide any of the "thousands" of "proofs" you have a god's existence.

Measurable.
Verifiable.
Quantifiable.
Causal.

Any proof will do.

Carry on.

Since: Apr 09

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#666231 Oct 22, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
<quoted text>
yes but I am still sure that your house has some kind and love between your family members , or at least I am sure your mother wouldn't kill your father during mate nor you or your brothers and sisters would eat mother for lunch, you miss understood the verse and the actual metaphor of it.
And here is why you are failing so miserably:

Metaphors are not proof.

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#666232 Oct 22, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
<quoted text>
so Now you claim that Mohammed was able to reach to this accurate information about the people in the ancient Babylon in the second millennium who used their finger prints as a signature and brought it back to Mekkah in Saudi Arabia and thus he wrote the verse "Yea indeed, We are able to make whole his very finger-tips! "
alright so far we concluded that Mohammed knew some facts about the very inside of the spider's house, mentioned Skin by Coincidence or knew that once skin is burnt the body won't feel the pain of other organs burning under that skin, and finally reached to the fact that The Babylonians used their finger prints as signatures or simply wrote a poet about fingertips ..!!! I think we are making some progress in here .
You've yet to prove that Mohammed did not know how to read or write.
You've yet to prove that Mohammed wrote the Quran.
You've yet to prove that a god told Mohammed what to write in the Quran.
You've yet to prove that a god exists to tell Mohammed what to write in the Quran when he allegedly couldn't read or write.

Keep swinging, ace.

“Be strong ...”

Since: Nov 10

...I whispered to my coffee

#666233 Oct 22, 2013
Double Fine wrote:
<quoted text>
Lolz, I very nearly read "abstinence makes the god grow stronger".
Lost no fans at all, gained a few. Double Fine is now officially regarded as the third most followed deity in Colombia!
That too…

Colombia today, tomorrow the world?
headlines

Marietta, GA

#666234 Oct 22, 2013
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ISRAEL to give POPE "Custody" of Temple Mount --

http://youtu.be/Qt9kEQB4ti8

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Since: Sep 08

Alamosa, CO

#666235 Oct 22, 2013
Apsu wrote:
<quoted text>Well, what you are describing doesn't agree with reality.
<quoted text>This has nothing to do with the boundary between the plates with South America and Africa, though.
The two plates in question are moving apart from one another, not shearing one another or moving towards one another. The ridge formed by this boundary is called the Mid-Atlantic Ridge. At this ridge, new plate material is being produced as magma from beneath the crust is reaching the seafloor and hardening. This is happening right now, at this very instant.
There are three major boundary types - transform, divergent, and convergent. You are assuming a transform or convergent boundary, while the Mid-Atlantic Ridge is a divergent boundary.
<quoted text>I am not disputing that the Eastern coast of South America used to be connected to the Western coast of Africa - all geographic and biological evidence suggests this very idea. We call this ancient supercontinent Gondwana.
<quoted text>You are just making this up. We do not know what happened, whether it could have been due to some cataclysmic event or if it was a slower, gradual process. Regardless it happened very long before humans rolled along.
<quoted text>
I'm pretty good at figuring things out on the fly, plus I have learned even the scholarly ones make mistakes. Plus every generation of scholars has to make their name for themselves by revising the history and theories of their predecessors. Second guessing is an inherent characteristic of mankind. Therefore you are an idiot if you believe everything you were taught is the absolute truth. I do believe in most applied sciences and the physical laws as I have experience in some of them. However, I have discovered there is some latitude in the causation of some of those processes. And processes is what they are.

Myths are smoke, but something created that smoke. The years are irrelevant to me if you had read my personal take on this existence and how it operates for the last almost three years. I am entitled to do my second guessing like everyone else based upon my experience and knowledge. Things ain't what they appear to be.

Now, in the following you will see that the Athenians reclaimed the territory, which was in Africa. Then they had earthquakes and got drowned. About the same time Atlantis drowned. So something significant happened. That was a rather large area. Also, there is much reference in ancient texts to the Sea Peoples and their invasions, yet the scholars of today can't identify just who the Sea Peoples were. Just guesses based upon fragments of knowledge. Keep an open mind. I had to cut your post to make room for response.

"According to Critias, 9,000 years before his lifetime a war took place between those outside the Pillars of Hercules at the Strait of Gibraltar and those who dwelt within them. The Atlanteans had conquered the parts of Libya within the Pillars of Hercules as far as Egypt and the European continent as far as Tyrrhenia, and subjected its people to slavery. The Athenians led an alliance of resistors against the Atlantean empire, and as the alliance disintegrated, prevailed alone against the empire, liberating the occupied lands.

But at a later time there occurred portentous earthquakes and floods, and one grievous day and night befell them, when the whole body of your warriors was swallowed up by the earth, and the island of Atlantis in like manner was swallowed up by the sea and vanished; wherefore also the ocean at that spot has now become impassable and unsearchable, being blocked up by the shoal mud which the island created as it settled down"

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#666236 Oct 22, 2013
Al Garcia wrote:
<quoted text>
Uh...... RR..... I'm not sure how to respond to this one buddy......
Are you talking about the Classic, TNG or Voyager..the one with Seven of Nine?
TNG, man. TNG!

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#666237 Oct 22, 2013
karl44 wrote:
<quoted text>
standard cosmology
get an education
It is not "standard cosmology" that the universe has always existed.

Get an education.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#666238 Oct 22, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
I know how it tortures you to be bested by a mere woman, but hey; you're a tough guy, you'll manage to continue on with your life.
Is that what you think happened?
Jesus was a myth, just like all the other myths. The big difference is that the origins of the other myths are easier to track down, while yours is blend that is quite difficult to separate.
I know you believe that Jesus was a myth.

We all have our beliefs, dear.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#666239 Oct 22, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
You do realize, don’t you, that doing so in an internet chat forum is quite impossible? What is the point of asking someone to do the impossible?
Bingo!

Yahtzee!

Survey says? DING!

Exactamundo.

"Prove there's a god" is impossible in this setting.

Shit, no one here can even prove they have hands.

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