Prove there's a god.

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#665935 Oct 21, 2013
When you invent God you destroy personal responsibility.

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#665936 Oct 21, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:

The only further evolution possible to humanity is a personal individual conscious evolution. You are like a sperm that can't find an egg insisting it be recognized as a fully grown human being.
You have no evidence to suggest that humans won't evolve any further.

You believe it.

Neat, huh?

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#665937 Oct 21, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:

If you bend over I'll prove I have a penis.
Ok, I'm bending over...

Prove it.

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#665938 Oct 21, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
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How about some proof that your Bible can not be trusted?
1 SAM. 13:1 ("Saul was .?. years old when he began to reign"--RS, NAB, NWT, MT)
versus
("50 years old"--NEB)
versus
("40 years old"--ASV, NAS)
versus ("30 years old"--NIV).
Again,
1 SAM. 13:1 ("...and for 2 years he reigned over Israel"--NWT, MT, NAB)
versus
("and he reigned over Israel for 22 years"--NEB)
versus ("he reigned 32 years"--NAS)
versus ("he reigned over Israel 42 years"--NIV)
versus ("one or two years"--LV).
Are you confused RR? Anyone normal would have to be.
Lol

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#665939 Oct 21, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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why is it not to be taken seriously ?!! I bet you never knew anything about the social life of spiders, please check this article for THEODORE EVANS http://www.monte.k12.co.us/delta/ola/classes/...
why everybody is not taking this subject seriously, it was told 1400 years ago that spiders have the flimsiest of houses.
All the spiders I know have my house and I have wrapped my house with earth quake proofing so I have one of the least flimsy houses in California.

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#665941 Oct 21, 2013
Double Fine wrote:

Proving love is a dubious concept, because of the fact that it is an emotion, not a tangible. It gets broken down into many smaller pieces - willingness to sacrifice self, is just one example. So no, love cannot be proven, but it certainly can be affirmed and implied.
Very good. You're the first (or smartest) atheist here. You're the only one to admit it.

Now that you've admitted to love not being able to be proven, why do you believe it exists?
"experiencing god" is by no means proof of a god. Firstly, because your god is not an emotion (or is it?). Secondly, since the dawn of time, countless people have "experienced" god. Zeus, Ra, Odin, Allah, Brahma, Vishnu, Quetzecoatl, Loki, Hapi, Diana, etc, etc.
Is their "experiencing" of their deity also proof of existence?
Then experiencing love is by no means proof of love.
Where did she lie? You do not believe of similar myths?
That's not what she says. She says Jesus Christ is a copy of older myths.

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#665942 Oct 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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"Cure" my racism?!
O_o
It doesn't need to be "cured".
How about a cure for belief in God?

1 SAM. 25:22 ("...do God unto the enemies of David"--KJ, ML, AS, NWT, NAS, MT) versus ("God do so to David"--RS, JB, BBE, NEB, NAB, TEV, NI, LV). Did God do it to David or the enemies of David?

2 SAM. 15:7 ("At the end of 4 years"--NIV, RS, ML, LB, JB, BBE, NEB, NAB, TEV, NIV, LV) versus ("after 40 years"--KJ, AS, NWT, NAS, MT).

2 SAM. 21:19 ("...Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite"--KJ, LB) versus ("Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite"--RS, AS, BBE, NWT, NAS, MT, NI).

2 SAM. 23:18 ("Abishai, the brother of Joab...was chief among 3...."--KJ, LB, AS, MT, NI) versus ("Abishai, the brother of Joab,...was chief of the 30"--RS, ML, JB, BBE, NEB, NAB, TEV, NWT, NAS, LV).

2 SAM. 24:2 ("For the king said to Joab the captain of the host...."--KJ, ML, LB, AS, TEV, NWT, NAS, MT, LV) versus ("the king said to Joab and the commanders of the army"--RS, JB, BBE, NEB, NAB, NI). Did the king speak to many or Joab alone?

2 SAM. 24:13 ("So God came to David, and told him...Shall 7 years of famine"--KJ, ML, LB, AS, NWT, NAS, MT, LV) versus ("...Shall 3 years of famine"--RS, JB, BBE, NEB, NAB, TEV, NI).

2 CHRON. 3:4 ("...20 cubits and the height was an 120"--KJ, RS, JB, AS, BBE, NWT, NAS, MT) versus ("...and its height was 20"--NEB, NAB, NI, LV).

2 CHRON. 36:9 ("Jehoiachin was 8 years old when he began to reign"--KJ, RS, LB, JB, AS, NEB, NAS, MT) versus ("was 18 years old"--ML, BBE, NAB, TEV, NWT, NI, LV).

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#665943 Oct 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Oh, I see. You're an idiot.
You're confusing racism with supremacy.
To clear it up for you, I'm no supremacist. My racism is mostly just racist jokes and being comfortable telling them and hearing them.
And the Holy Spook guides you to be like that?

2 CHRON. 36:10 (...and made Zedekiah his brother king over Judah...."--KJ, RS, LB, JB, AS, NAB, MT, LV) versus ("He appointed his uncle Zedekiah as king...."--ML, BBE, NEB, TEV, NWT, NI).

PSALMS 2:11-12 ("Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry...."--KJ, ML, NI, AS, NWT) versus ("Serve the Lord with fear, with trembling kiss his feet, lest he be angry"--RS, JB, BBE) versus ("...kiss the King, lest the Lord be angry"--NEB). So what is to be kissed--the Son, his feet, or the King?

PROV. 10:6 ("...but violence covereth the mouth of the wicked"--KJ, AS, NIV) versus (...but the mouth of the wicked conceals violence"--RS, ML, NAB, TEV, NWT, NAS, MT). Does violence cover the mouth or does the mouth cover the violence? Which covers which?

PROV. 11:30 ("The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise"--KJ, NI, AS, NWT, MT, NAS) versus ("The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life, but lawlessness takes away lives"--RS, BBE, NAB, NEB, TEV). The underlined parts of these two verses are quite dissimilar.

PROV. 21:l2 ("The righteous man wisely considereth the house of the wicked"--KJ, ML, AS, NAB, LV) versus ("The Righteous One considereth the house of the wicked"--MT, JB, BBE, NEB, TEV, NWT, NI). Is God or man to do the considering?

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#665944 Oct 21, 2013
Anon wrote:
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Prove god loves you.
Go
God hates RR because of what RR does to all us atheists.

JESUS: Matthew 25:40 MARY “Truly I tell you, whatever you do to the least of these brothers and sisters of mine,[atheists] you do to me.”

What RR does to all us Atheists he does to Jesus. Now this gets complicated because RR is filled with the spirit of the Holy Spook,[I know you thought he was full of shit] and that Spook is guiding him in how to live his life and in his life he doesn't play fairly with Atheists, and what he does to Atheists he does to Jesus, who is also the Holy Spook.

ECCLE. 8:10 ("...they, the wicked, were forgotten in the city where they had so done"--KJ, ML, AS, NWT, NAS, MT, LV) versus ("they were praised in the city...."--RS, BBE, NAB, TEV, NIV). Were the wicked praised or forgotten?

ISA. 65:20 ("and the one who does not reach the age of 100 shall be thought accursed"--NAS, JB, NEB, NAB, NI) versus ("...and the sinner a 100 years old shall be accursed"--RS, KJ, ML, AS, MT, LV). Are you accursed when you reach 100 or before?

JER. 49:32 ("...I will scatter into all winds them that are in the utmost corners...."--KJ, NI) versus ("I will scatter to every wind those who cut the corners of their hair"--RS, ML, JB, AS, BBE, NAB, TEV, NWT, NAS, MT, LV). In this instance, the clash between translations is exceptionally obvious.

EZEK. 5:7 ("...nor observed the ordinances of the nations which surround you..."--NAS, KJ, ML, JB, AS, NEB, MT, NIV) versus ("but have acted according to the ordinances of the nations that are round about you"--RS, BBE, NAB, TEV, NWT, LV). Did they follow the ordinances or not?

EZEK. 40:44 ("...at the side of the east gate"--KJ, AS, NWT, NAS, MT, LV) versus (...at the side of the south gate"--RS, ML, LB, JB, BBE, NEW, NAB, TEV, NI).

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#665945 Oct 21, 2013
Apsu wrote:
<quoted text>Why would it not maintain its outline? You are off-topic now.
You are trying to evade the primary problem with your little argument, in that it places an event 12,000 years ago that, according to the geological record, occurred 140-150 million years ago. You are trying to argue the invalidity of the geological record in an attempt to substantiate ancient Greek mythology.
The same reason bulldozers tend to leave the ground leveled out. I'm not talking the present SE coastline, but the original you can see on Google Earth. Very close match. The drift should have scraped it clean.

In addition, look at that basin. Very odd.

The crust is cooled scum floating on a hot viscous medium. It is about 1/100th of the radius of the earth. That medium creates waves. That is why some earthquakes and meteor impacts can ring the earth like a bell. A sudden collapse could set up a wave that lifted the African land mass up and started a drift.

You are a pew warmer. A fundamentalist that freaks out when alternatives to your scriptures are presented. That is not the way they told you it happened, so it must be wrong and is heresy. The "scientific" priesthood has you firmly in their grasp. You assume they "know" the truth. Try figuring those things out yourself. Just like you tell your "godbots".

The scientists of today are the priests of yesterday. They also have an economic interest in your attendance.

You are a cloned intellect lacking the ability to figure things out for yourself. You are too used to them telling you how it is, and waiting for a treat.

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#665946 Oct 21, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
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The Quran never talks about the social life of spiders. It just says their houses are flimsy.
From that you are claiming the writer of the Quran knew that silk is stronger than steel, and then you wonder why we don't take your arguments seriously.
Nicely said!

EZEK. 40:44 ("...at the side of the east gate"--KJ, AS, NWT, NAS, MT, LV) versus (...at the side of the south gate"--RS, ML, LB, JB, BBE, NEW, NAB, TEV, NI).

EZEK. 40:49 ("...and the breadth 11 cubits"--KJ, AS, NWT, NAS, MT, LV) versus ("and the breadth 12 cubits"--RS, JB, BBE, NEB, NAB, NI).

MATT. 6:7 ("But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do...."--KJ, AS, BBE, NWT, NAS) versus ("And in praying do not heap up empty phrases or babble as the Gentiles do..."--RS, TEV, JB, NI, NAB, NEB). The Catholics, with their repetitive "Hail Marys," would not use, or agree with, the former translation and their versions (the JB & NAB) reflect as much.

MATT. 18:22 ("...I say not unto thee, until 7 times; but until 70 times 7 <i.e., 490>"--KJ, RS, ML, LB, AS, BBE, NEB, NAS, NAB, TEV, LV) versus ("...I tell you not 7 times, but 77 times"--NI, JB, NWT). There is a big difference between 490 and 77.

MATT. 26:50 ("Jesus said to him,'Friend why are you here"--KJ, ML, NWT, RS, LV) versus ("Jesus said,'Friend, do what you are here to do"--LB, JB, AS, BBE, NI, NAB, TEV, NAS, NEB). Did Jesus ask a question or issue an order?

MARK 1:2 ("...as it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger..."--KJ) versus "as it is written in Isaiah the prophet, Behold I send my...."--all other versions). The rest of verse 2 and all of verse 3 came from Isaiah and Malachi, not Isaiah alone. Thus, only the KJV can be interpreted without contradiction.

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#665947 Oct 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Is see you don't want to "cure" your racism either.
Calling white trash white trash is not racism.

More verses to prove the Bible can not be trusted:

LUKE 2:36-37 ("...she had lived with her husband 7 years after her marriage, and then was a widow until she was 84 years old"--JB, ML, RS, KJ, AS, NI, NEB, NAB, TEV, NWT, NAS) versus ("...after 7 years of married life she had been a widow for 84 years"--LB, LV, BBE). Was she a widow until age 84 after 7 years of marriage or was she a widow for 84 years after 7 years of married life?

LUKE 10:1, 17 ("After this the Lord appointed 70 others...."--KJ, RS, LB, ML, AS, BBE, NWT, NAS, LV) versus ("after this the Lord appointed 72 others"--JB, NI, NEB, NAB, TEV).

LUKE 14:5 ("Which of you shall have an ass or an ox fallen into a pit...."--KJ, ML, AS, BBE, NEB) versus ("Which of you, having a son or an ox that has fallen into...."--RS, JB, NI, NAB, TEV, NWT, NAS, LV).

LUKE 17:37 ("Where the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together"--RS, KJ, AS, BBE, NWT) versus ("Where there is a corpse, there the vultures will flock"--ML, LB, JB, NI, NEB, NAB, TEV, NAS, LV).

ACTS 3:21 ("...which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began"--KJ, LV) versus ("...that God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets from of old"--RS, ML, AS, BBE, NI, NAB, TEV, NWT, NAS). Since prophets did not exist when the world began, it's understandable that later versions left the KJ translation. "From of old" is much less precise and more easily defended.

ACTS 12:25 ("...returned from Jerusalem"--NIV, KJ, RS, ML, JB, AS, BBE, NAB, NAS, LV) versus "...returned to Jerusalem"--NEB, TEV).

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#665948 Oct 21, 2013
karl44 wrote:
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our universe has existed for all time
It can't be any other way, exactly right. It may have re-arranged itself via a phase transition around 15 billion years ago but something has always existed.

So, what is our Universe doing?

“When you treat people as they ”

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treat you they get offended.

#665949 Oct 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You seem to have missed a very important piece of information.
"Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty..."
Where did Christianity get it's name?
Oh ya, Jesus.
You were saying?
You can’t just say “I believe so it must be fact” without the possibility of your claim being questioned. There are other more rational and certainly better documented alternatives to how a man named jesus became your object of worship.

There is no evidence that this messiah, saviour mentioned in Tacitus was called jesus, in fact there is considerable contemporary evidence that the name jesus was not associated with christianity until some time after 81/82AD.

Given the various and complimentary records that survive from the time the probability is that Tacitus was describing the crucifixion of one Judas of the Sicari also known as Judas the Galilean. He was the son of Mary and seen as a saviour by some of the Jews of the period and therefore would be called Christus by them. The fact was that he opposed Rome to the extent of terrorism for and on behalf of the Fourth Philosophy (anarchist/terrorist group). He was captured with the help of Saulus (you know him as St Paul) and was crucified for his crimes against the state. His buddies bribed the guard at the site and released him, he was seen about for a few weeks before succumbing to blood poisoning caused by the nails used to attach him to the X.

Note, the Romans did not use a traditional christian interpretation of a cross but an X with a proportion of the two lower legs buried in the ground. This configuration is at least twice as stable as the one depicted in churches.

So we have Judas the Galilean, son of Mary and a Roman soldier named Julius Pantera of Sidon. Judas became the leader of a group of Jews who worshipped both him and what he stood for. He was captured, tried, placed on the cross for crucifixion, escaped and was seen about town before dying a few weeks later.(Sound familiar so far?)

Judas became a posthumous figurehead and rallying cry for the sect of Jews headed by the Fourth Philosophy. The Emperor Titus (along with Josephus) created a plot to discredit his name as the person who betrayed himself by the simple means of building an imaginary figure and playing trick with the last name,(alias). Judas if the Sicari was mirrored by Judas Iscariot.

The name Jesus did not appear until this plot was translated to Greek some time after December 81AD, hence we get Judas Iscariot and Jesus of Galilee

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#665950 Oct 21, 2013
Double Fine wrote:
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I prefer to smoke my herring in a pipe, rather than rolled into a joint.
Hey, Christine
Hi big man?

How the hoards of worshippers doing? I hope you have not lost too many any by being away in the last month or so.

But as they say, absence makes the god grow stronger

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#665951 Oct 21, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:

God hates RR because of what RR does to all us atheists.
JESUS: Matthew 25:40 MARY “Truly I tell you, whatever you do to the least of these brothers and sisters of mine,[atheists] you do to me.”
What RR does to all us Atheists he does to Jesus.
There is no "MARY" version, you liar.

There's a King James, the NIV, ASV , etc but there is no MARY.

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#665952 Oct 21, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
Calling white trash white trash is not racism.
Oh, good. So calling a border jumper a border jumper isn't racist, either.

Neither is saying Asians can't drive for shit.

Right?

“First it steals your mind..”

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..and then it steals your soul

#665953 Oct 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Very good. You're the first (or smartest) atheist here. You're the only one to admit it.
Now that you've admitted to love not being able to be proven, why do you believe it exists?
<quoted text>
Then experiencing love is by no means proof of love.
<quoted text>
That's not what she says. She says Jesus Christ is a copy of older myths.
Well, you are right. Experiencing love is by no means proof of love. I experienced a lot of love with my ex-fiance. She ran off when things got bad. Proof of love?

Or how about high school kids. They often fall in and out of love. How many times did you find your "soulmate" in high school?

On that point, I agree. What we experience as love, may be driven by other factors: lust, greed, misplaced loyalty, or ethic/moral constraints.

At best, we can imply love. If a man beats his wife, we can imply that he does not love her, at least not in our defintion. If a man treats his wife like a queen, we can imply that he loves her.

As for "proving", nah.

But, as I said. It is an emotion. An intangible. It makes up a large part of why we stay in familial groups.

On the second point, ever hear about Horus?

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..and then it steals your soul

#665954 Oct 21, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Hi big man?
How the hoards of worshippers doing? I hope you have not lost too many any by being away in the last month or so.
But as they say, absence makes the god grow stronger
Lolz, I very nearly read "abstinence makes the god grow stronger".

Lost no fans at all, gained a few. Double Fine is now officially regarded as the third most followed deity in Colombia!

“First it steals your mind..”

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..and then it steals your soul

#665955 Oct 21, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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The same reason bulldozers tend to leave the ground leveled out. I'm not talking the present SE coastline, but the original you can see on Google Earth. Very close match. The drift should have scraped it clean.
In addition, look at that basin. Very odd.
The crust is cooled scum floating on a hot viscous medium. It is about 1/100th of the radius of the earth. That medium creates waves. That is why some earthquakes and meteor impacts can ring the earth like a bell. A sudden collapse could set up a wave that lifted the African land mass up and started a drift.
You are a pew warmer. A fundamentalist that freaks out when alternatives to your scriptures are presented. That is not the way they told you it happened, so it must be wrong and is heresy. The "scientific" priesthood has you firmly in their grasp. You assume they "know" the truth. Try figuring those things out yourself. Just like you tell your "godbots".
The scientists of today are the priests of yesterday. They also have an economic interest in your attendance.
You are a cloned intellect lacking the ability to figure things out for yourself. You are too used to them telling you how it is, and waiting for a treat.
http://viola.bz/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/hm...
Uhh, no.

Go and google the terms "isostasy", "erosion", "mechanical wearing", "tectonics".

Also, think of the earth's mantle as hydraulic fluid i a pressurised container. It does not make "waves"

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