Prove there's a god.

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#665217 Oct 18, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
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"he never existed..."
saying things like this is why i'll never respect you or take you serioulsy in a debate regarding these issues. it's why i don't attempt to answer your questions but just keep things to a faux-flirtatious level;)
You might get some respect if instead of posturing you provided some proof for the existence of Jesus instead of pretending you have answers but chose not to share them because your ass hole is too tight. If you had any answers you would post them. The fact that you do not post them proves they do not exist.

“Ditat Deus”

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#665218 Oct 18, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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I know what he told you.
"Get back in your trailer, white trash."
Then he said, "Amen."
And in Trashese, I say to you, "gotsta go."
Hello, fellow racist.

“Ditat Deus”

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#665219 Oct 18, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>How do you know it was god? Because he said so?
And let's say it was your god.
That's still not proof because you can't prove that your god spoke to you.
"Proof" of "some kind" to you maybe- certainly not any kind of proof to anyone else.
Sorry for your luck.
Rev Anal said there's no proof of 'any' kind.

He's wrong.

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#665220 Oct 18, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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Sure...however, before you post anything, you do realize you have to prove that "the creator" wrote the book.
You'll do that first, right?
Based on his behaviour so far he will continue to preach and we'll never see any proof of anything except that he has no proof. Muslims love to just gloss over the part about proving their holy book was written by God. Normally they just kill you should you question it.

“Ditat Deus”

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#665221 Oct 18, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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So limited.
An object made or shaped by human hand.
(archaeology) An object, such as a tool, weapon or ornament, of archaeological or historical interest, especially such an object found at an archaeological excavation.
The dig produced many Roman artifacts.
Something viewed as a product of human conception or agency rather than an inherent element. &#8195;
An object made or shaped by some agent or intelligence, not necessarily of direct human origin.
Thank you.

Artifact indeed.....

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#665222 Oct 18, 2013
"But God hath cursed them for their Unbelief; and but few of them will believe." [4:46]

"To the Jews We prohibited such things as We have mentioned to thee before...." [16:118]

"These (Israelites) are but a small band.... So we expelled them from gardens, springs, treasures, and every kind of honourable position...." [26:55, 58-59]

"Say: O ye that stand on Judaism! If ye think that ye are friends to God, to the exclusion of (other) men, then express your desire for Death, if ye are truthful." [62:6]

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#665223 Oct 18, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I don't appreciate your ignorant name calling. That was uncalled for.
If I had a dollar for every time you called me an ignorant name...

“Ditat Deus”

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#665224 Oct 18, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>So if I tell you that Queen Elizabeth stopped over today for tea and crumpets and spoke to me, that would be proof of "some kind" that what I claimed was actually fact?
More than what YOU claim is proof of "some kind", for at least the existence of Queen Elizabeth can be proven.
So....if I tell you that ANY mythological being has spoken to me, you will accept that as proof of "some kind"?
I don't give a shit if Elizabeth came to your house.

I don't give a shit if you two took a trip to Alpha Centauri and got tattoos.

You'd never find me discussing it like you do God.

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#665225 Oct 18, 2013
hazem selawi wrote:
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the book itself will prove that its word's god , but I didnt say god wrote it, god sent it through an angel to a man who couldn't read or write.
The Flying Spaghetti Monster says that is not true. And the Tooth Fairy agrees that it is not true.

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#665226 Oct 18, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah- the Clinton Administration screwed everything up according to some really screwy folks....
Some highlights of the Clinton years:
During Clinton's presidency, 22.5 million new jobs were created and unemployment dropped from 7.5% when he took office to 4.0% by the end of his second term, the lowest in 30 years.
In 1993, President Clinton signed the Family & Medical Leave Act (FMLA), which allows eligible employees to take up to 12 weeks of unpaid leave for childbirth, adoption, foster care, to care for a child, parent, or spouse with a serious medical condition, or if the employee themselves has serious medical condition.
Started COBRA- the Consolidated Omnibus Reconciliation Act which allowed employees to stay on employer sponsored insurance for 18 months after leaving or being dismissed from a job.
Under Clinton, the United States had a projected federal budget surplus for the first time since 1969 in the 1998 federal budget; the budgets for 1999, 2000, and 2001 also had surpluses.
Clinton left office with a 65% approval rating- the highest end-of-term approval rating of any President since Dwight D. Eisenhower.
Yeah- the Clinton Administration really screwed things up.....that's why he left office with a 65% approval rating.
<major eye roll here>
OCB wrote:
the highest end-of-term approval rating of any President since Dwight D. Eisenhower
Lol

Reagan and Kennedy had higher approval ratings.

I wonder what else of your post is bullshit.

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#665227 Oct 18, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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No.. Focus on Matthew 18, don't change the subject. Do you understand what I wrote?
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Hey, neat. You can copy/paste.
You did not, however, answer my question.
I have no intention of answering your question. I posted a biblical verse and if you do not like it, too bad.

What do you want to do with what the Koran says about you? Anything?

Koran on Jesus:
"That they said (in boast),'We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Apostle of God';--But they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them...for of a surety they killed him not." [4:157] Muslims do not believe Jesus died on the Cross.

"Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of God, and His Word, which he bestowed on Mary...." [4:171]
"And behold! I (God) did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee (Jesus) when thou didst show them the Clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said:'This is nothing but evident magic'." [5:110] In light of the fact that God did not protect Jesus from the Jews, this statement is false.

"But she pointed to the babe. They said:'How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?' He said:'I am indeed a servant of God: He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet.... Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary:(it is) a statement of truth...." [19:29-30].
Christian miracles are matched by Koranic miracles. Imagine a baby speaking in the cradle right after birth!.

"When (Jesus) the son of Mary is quoted as an example, behold! the folk laugh out,...he is nothing but a slave on whom We bestowed favour...." (The Glorious Quran by Marmaduke Pickthall [43:57, 59]
"We sent after them Jesus the son of Mary, and bestowed on him the Gospel...." [57:27]
"And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said,'O Children of Israel! I am the apostle of God (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of an Apostle to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." [61:6].(See Also: 2:253, 23:50, 33:7)

It would be interesting to know where one could find a statement by Jesus that he would be followed by Ahmad, whom Muslims consider to be Mohammed.

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#665228 Oct 18, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I suppose you can prove this "Philo" exised, yes?
Go.
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Very good. So far, you're the only one that understood what I was trying to get across.
We can't prove Philo existed, we can't even prove that we exist. How the hell can I prove God then?
You can not prove the existence of God because God does not exist. All you have to do to prove you exist is to send your nude photo's to Ashley Madison. Do you have any nude photo's of yourself? Would you like to buy some?

“let's do this thang!”

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#665229 Oct 18, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
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You might get some respect if instead of posturing you provided some proof for the existence of Jesus instead of pretending you have answers but chose not to share them because your ass hole is too tight. If you had any answers you would post them. The fact that you do not post them proves they do not exist.
i'm not an apologist and don't pander to scoffers. i'm a profesor cuz i'm a possessor and you can take or leave what i'm giving; makes no difference to me....:-)

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#665230 Oct 18, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
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Do the Christians know what you believe about them?
"Take not the Jews and Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other."[5:51]
I dont know who you are, First of all Hello reverend Alan

secondly you are completely taking phrases out of its context, if you want to have a decent discussion you are welcome, but we have to agree on the topic we want to discuss and you should start to ask me questions instead of jumping to conclusions on your own .
what are you interested in, do you actually believe that there is a creator of the universe ?

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#665231 Oct 18, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
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The Flying Spaghetti Monster says that is not true. And the Tooth Fairy agrees that it is not true.
did you even read what I wrote, or still jumping to conclusions ?!
me and the other Guy "just Think" were discussing what kind of proofs would he accept , and I lately sent him one proof and still waiting for his reply, you can check it yourself its a phrase in the Holy Quran , a 1600 years of old book.

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#665232 Oct 18, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I suppose you can prove this "Philo" exised, yes?
Go.
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Very good. So far, you're the only one that understood what I was trying to get across.
We can't prove Philo existed, we can't even prove that we exist. How the hell can I prove God then?
It is silly to think we can not look at a birth certificate or a drivers license and conclude someone exists. How many times has your name appeared in the Police Report? All of this establishes that you exist.

There is nothing to establish that God exists. Jesus, allegedly God, walked the earth and no one bothered to write about it. All you have are the four gospels and we all know how unreliable they are:

A major difficulty associated with the Resurrection lies in the contradictory accounts in the four gospels of what occurred. The following represent some of the major disagreements surrounding the events connected with the Resurrection:

A. At what time in the morning did the women visit the tomb?- At the rising of the sun (Mark 16:2) vs. when it was yet dark (John 20:1)

B. Who came?- Mary Magdalene alone (John 20:1) vs. Mary Magdalene and the other Mary (Matt. 28:1) vs. Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Salome (Mark 16:1) vs. Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James and other women (Luke 24:10)

C. Was the tomb opened or closed when they arrived?- Open (Luke 24:2) vs. closed (Matt 28:1-2)

D. Whom did they see at the tomb?- The angel (Matt. 28:2) vs. a young man (Mark 16:5) vs. two men (Luke 24:4) vs. two angels (John 20:11-12)

E. Were these men or angels inside or outside the tomb?-Outside (Matt. 28.2) vs. inside (Mark 16:5, Luke 24:3-4, John 20:11-12).

F. Were they standing or sitting?- Standing (Luke 24:4) vs. sitting (Matt. 28:2, Mark 16:5, John 20:12).

G. Did Mary Magdalene know Jesus when he first appeared to her?-Yes, she did (Matt. 28:9) vs. no she did not (John 20:14).

If the stories were consistent, one could write one long continuous narrative incorporating all four versions without fear of divergencies. Yet, this has never been done without adding, altering or omitting key verses. Apologists often submit the witness-at-an-auto-accident argument which is quite irrelevant since two diametrically opposed and mutually exclusive versions of the same event can not be simultaneously accurate. One or the other is false. Moreover, witnesses at an accident, unlike gospel writers, are not claiming inerrancy.

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#665233 Oct 18, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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God has spoken to me.
That is proof of 'some kind'.
The assertion that "God has spoken" to you is wholly convincing!

Can this be verified and repeatedly verified? NO! I have no doubt that you had an experience of some sort, we all do. But you assigning it to God speaking to you just makes matters worse. How do you know it was God and not some other mental process going on in your head? You don't. You say it was God because that is what you chose to believe. If I had the same experience I might say that my lizard brain was not communicating well with my mammalian brain and that my neocortex tried to figure it out.

We know very little about our automatic mechanical working so what you have offered is only proof that you had some kind of experience and being unable to explain it, you said it was God speaking to you. You said it was God because that is how you make sense of the world. That is not proof for the existence of God.

If you didn't exist could God have talked to you?

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#665234 Oct 18, 2013
Reverend Alan wrote:
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Based on his behaviour so far he will continue to preach and we'll never see any proof of anything except that he has no proof. Muslims love to just gloss over the part about proving their holy book was written by God. Normally they just kill you should you question it.
we never said it written by God, it was sent by God or lets agree to call him the creator at this stage, this forum is to prove there is a creator, we are not proving Islam nor Christianity, I will be writing some of the scientific miracles of the Quran , nothing more and nothing less.

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#665235 Oct 18, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>So if I tell you that Queen Elizabeth stopped over today for tea and crumpets and spoke to me, that would be proof of "some kind" that what I claimed was actually fact?
More than what YOU claim is proof of "some kind", for at least the existence of Queen Elizabeth can be proven.
So....if I tell you that ANY mythological being has spoken to me, you will accept that as proof of "some kind"?
Nicely said.

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#665236 Oct 18, 2013
Anon wrote:
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Does god speak in a baritone voice, or more like Truman Capote?
Good question. How about an answer RR?

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