Greens - tuf

Sydney, Australia

#664891 Oct 16, 2013
Sydney is burning down.
Crazy, crazy weather.

Since: May 07

Muncie, IN

#664892 Oct 16, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
"Progressive" = "liberal."
Yay!
A history lesson!

A composer curses and spits, tearing apart the title page to his third symphony on which was scrawled the name of the person it was dedicated to. The composer is Ludwig van Beethoven, and he had dedicated his third symphony to Napolean until declaring himself emperor of the French, enraging Ludwig and causing him to rip up his dedication in a rage.

It is the French Revolution!

During the French Revolution, their National Assembly was divided between those who wanted to conserve the monarchical system, and those who wanted to progress to a different system. For purposes of order, those who wanted to conserve the monarchy ("conservatives") sat on the right side of aisle in parliament, while those who wanted to progress to a different system of rule ("progressives") sat on the left side.
Thus, Right versus Left, and conservative versus progressive.

For instance, think of difference between a social conservative and a social progressive - conservatives tend to conserve traditions of the past (such as marriage being a man/woman ordeal) while progressives tend to support progressing to a new state of affairs (such as marriage being expanded to include same-sex couples).

Liberal, on the other hand, refers to a much more generalized ideology as "liberal" means, basically, free (or more free). Liberal ideology is not tied to the conservative/progressive (Right/Left) debate, though. Both sides have liberal or less liberal stances on various issues, depending on the issue. For instance, civil rights issues are a liberal concept since they are making a group of people more free in some way; civil rights is something more associated with the Left. Free trade is a liberal concept since it makes a group of people (in this case, business owners) more free in some way (able to trade more freely with other countries); free trade is something more associated with the Right. Women's choice of abortion is a liberal idea since it makes a certain group of people more free to choose the option; abortion rights are associated with the Left. Deregulation (of banks, for instance) is a liberal idea because it makes a certain group of people more free in some way (eliminates certain regulationary measures); deregulation is often associated with the Right.

In the U.S., "liberal" and "progressive" are usually used as synonyms of one another, but it is an incorrect usage of the term "liberal," typically for purposes of propaganda (similar to saying "Obama is a socialist" or "Bush is a fascist").

Your association of liberal to progressive is therefore only a product of your own ignorance as well as a blind acceptance of the entertainment media you consume.
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
Then it ought to be easy for you to prove it.
This is incredibly easy. What is more difficult, rather, is convincing people of reality who are so caught up in partisan propaganda from media sources that purposely misinform, that they do not want to come to grips with the fact that they have been foolishly believing falsities and misinformation.

You do not realize it, but Fox News has legally defended their right to lie and to purposely misinform viewers as being a First Amendment right. Nevertheless, a short list of just a sample of the ways in which Fox News lies and misinforms can be found at:
http://mediamatters.org/research/2009/10/27/3...

There are entire websites dedicated to tracking Fox News' daily lies, by the way.
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
He doesn't write the copy, he doesn't film the events, he doesn't edit the video, he doesn't interview anyone.
So, where's your proof?
No, he runs the entire network. To suggest that the president of Fox News has no input on the content of Fox News is simply being needlessly obstinate.

Your behavior most closely resembles that of religious fundamentalists.

Since: May 07

Muncie, IN

#664893 Oct 16, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
What you are doing is allowing liberals and "progressives" to tell you what to think and believe, rather than investigating for yourself.
This, coming from the same person who does not even know what the word "liberal" means! Your use of the word "liberal" is a product of entertainment media but yet you try to tell others that they have failed to investigate matters?
Simply incredible.

It was people like you that Fox News' president Roger Ailes was talking about when he said "People are lazy. With television you just sit-watch-listen. The thinking is done for you."

Parading your ignorance to others and acting as if it somehow shows independent thought is silliness. For someone who seemingly has so much hatred for religious fundamentalists, you sure spend a lot of time mimicking the behavior of religious fundamentalists.

Pity.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#664894 Oct 16, 2013
Apsu wrote:
This will be in two parts, sorry.:)
<quoted text>
Other than a scattered and vast minority, people here don't just go and set up fruit stands (or any small sales outfit) when they need some money. The vast majority, on the other hand, do not have enough land or means of production in which to do such a thing.
On top of all of this - and most importantly - there is competition. Small vendors cannot compete with the large corporations who, due to corporate tax breaks primarily by Republican legislation, have access to an incredibly larger percentage of resources thus lowering their cost of operation.
.
You are a gd filthy mouthed liar.

I suppose to tell us farmers markets and flea market fruit and vegetable venders don't exist where you live. Where the mom and pop farmers work all summer peddling their goods, in a very small time way.
This is main stream Americans with small farming operations, that exist everywhere here. They set up shacks and tables or in a open air market, as well as roadside stands where they sit during the growing seasons.

You know what?

You are a stupid mofo that just proselytizes away to everyone, just blabbing away like you're some kind of authority and expert on everything. When in reality you're just a
flaming big mouthed liberal dumb azz with the brain of a gnat.

Since: May 07

Muncie, IN

#664895 Oct 17, 2013
Shaddup wrote:
Spot on. This exact thing has been explained to him numerous times but he hangs on to the mythological propaganda while hiding behind his shame. It's pathetic but I love it. It showcases the death of the dogma.
Exactly.

When the religious "faith" has been reduced to simply making up what one wishes using a particular set of mythology as a "guide," it indeed showcases the death of the religion. I see it quite a bit, really, and it often accompanies a belief that the dogma set forth in this religion was not meant to be taken seriously.

It sort of reminds me of this person (who, for all I can tell, appears to be serious):

http://youngflemishhellenist.wordpress.com/20...

Since: May 07

Muncie, IN

#664896 Oct 17, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
You are a gd filthy mouthed liar.
I suppose to tell us farmers markets and flea market fruit and vegetable venders don't exist where you live. Where the mom and pop farmers work all summer peddling their goods, in a very small time way.
I never said that farmers markets and flea markets do not exist. What I did say was that the number of people doing so is the vast minority.

You have confused yourself again, Aura. Please pay attention.
Aura Mytha wrote:
This is main stream Americans with small farming operations, that exist everywhere here. They set up shacks and tables or in a open air market, as well as roadside stands where they sit during the growing seasons.
...but they are, proportionally, the vast minority compared to the population overall. Folks who own plots of farmland are the minority when compared to the overall population as well.

Local vendors' business is dwarfed by that of large corporations. Most people (in terms of overall population) live in urban and suburban areas, and most of those people go to local chain groceries - stores that are part of large conglomerates or that are large corporate bodies themselves (like Wal-Mart) that do not sell locally-produced items.
Aura Mytha wrote:
You know what?
You are a stupid mofo that just proselytizes away to everyone, just blabbing away like you're some kind of authority and expert on everything. When in reality you're just a
flaming big mouthed liberal dumb azz with the brain of a gnat.
Does this mean that I get to be part of this whole "New World Order" takeover and dance party that you fantasize about so much?

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#664897 Oct 17, 2013
Apsu wrote:
<quoted text>Exactly.
When the religious "faith" has been reduced to simply making up what one wishes using a particular set of mythology as a "guide," it indeed showcases the death of the religion. I see it quite a bit, really, and it often accompanies a belief that the dogma set forth in this religion was not meant to be taken seriously.
It sort of reminds me of this person (who, for all I can tell, appears to be serious):
http://youngflemishhellenist.wordpress.com/20...
I must say your imitation of a "freethinking" intellectual is of a very high caliber, but I must point out that there are certain factory stampings still visible displaying where such ability was manufactured. I would suggest you get a polishing cloth and plenty of compound and endeavor to remove those stamps. It would enhance the depth of your polish. Give you more lustre.

You make some astute observations, but your programming shows, which means you haven't dissociated yourself enough from the action/reaction and ideology of the process you went through to really get into the nitty gritty of existence and the deeper designs built into it. The difference between a detached observer and a thrall.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#664898 Oct 17, 2013
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/08/20...

http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/23707710/disposa...

http://www.cattlenetwork.com/drovers/markets/...

Speaking of dependence on grocery store chains.

That was a lot of cattle in a few days, and quite unexpected. Plus you can see where the inventory has been shrinking from other causes related to an upcoming food shortage.

Urban and suburban areas are the ones that will do the big competing for the food supply, and they are also the ones dependent upon the transportation network, which in turn is dependent on agriculture and energy production. The alcohol used in gas comes from crops that woul dhave been food.

A very, very tangled and delicate web of dependencies. Such is why you have such a conflict between those involved in the industries and the ideological activists who sometimes hijack government. Taxes and regulations really need to be thought out more and less kneejerk.

It is the masses, and the concentrated ones in urban and suburban areas that pay the biggest price for the political fun and games.

I wonder if the politics and ideology is part of a bigger evolutionary process?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#664899 Oct 17, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Um well gimme her phone#, or was you keeping it to yourself? lol/jk
LOL

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#664900 Oct 17, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>My decoder ring is shinier than yours.
Oh ya? Does yours tell you cardinal direction?

I didn't think so.

So there.

*humpf*

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#664901 Oct 17, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Do you think that orientation is not inherent?
No. I think it's learned.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#664902 Oct 17, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>I would agree that most wars are not religious, although you can't deny that some have been. However, even in religious wars billed as such, it's oftentimes clear that religion is simply used as a tool to sell the war to a pious populace; the real motivations usually being economic or a desire for power. Still, while it's doubtful that all religious wars are truly religious in nature from the leader's perspective, religion is still used as a powerful tool to gain the support of the public.
Nice. I agree.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#664903 Oct 17, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you really that daft [RR]????
He really is.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#664904 Oct 17, 2013
Al Garcia wrote:
<quoted text>
She sure did Alan, yuk yuk yuk.....
Oh boy did she.....she did...she really did.....
Yuk yuk yuk....
Did you see that George? She nailed his hide to the wall really good she did....... tee hee...
<snicker>
Another post with nothing to refute anything I have posted. You can not refute me Al, all you can do is attack me. Typical Christ-insanity-ists behaviour: when you can't deal with the message attack the messenger.

If you believe that makes you look justified Al you are wrong. It makes you look mean, stupid and ineffective. Why do you do that to yourself?

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#664905 Oct 17, 2013
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>PLENTY is wrong with RR, as I know you know.
I just posted to him and you are correct- to a normal person with a normally functioning brain capable of full comprehension, what I said was completely clear.
So we know why it wasn't at all clear to RR.
And you are spot on as to growing up "to be" gay (the two words RR got stuck on) and what you say is exactly what I meant and you said it very well.
Thanks, Rev!
You are very welcome. It is nice to be working with you here.

I believe even the other Christians can see where RR is not quite right although not a one of them would admit it or try and help him by telling him to stop. If he can stop. He may not be able to stop what he is doing. Mostly because I am guessing he finds it cute and clever to keep throwing a clog into the works since he has nothing else with which to defend himself against the overwhelming evidence against all of his bronze aged beliefs.

I feel sorry for RR and the other loony tunes.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#664906 Oct 17, 2013
Al Garcia wrote:
<quoted text>
Me too George. I dropped my joint too George, just like you did....
That is your answer to the question, has anyone ever seen God's face?

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#664907 Oct 17, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
LMAO!!
Yer a hoot, Al.
You think ole Rev Anal is keeping score?
Clearly Al does not think. If he did he would come up with an answer as to why the Bible has thousands of contradictions which disqualify it as reliable and trustworthy.

And if the two of you were honest you would both admit that the Bible has thousands of contradictions which disqualify it as reliable and trustworthy; it is unreliable and untrustworthy.

Everyone knows it. So why lie about it?

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#664908 Oct 17, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Wait a minute....
Are you saying that you don't like it when people twist your words??
Good. Now you know how it feels. Please stop doing it to me.
You have failed to provide any evidence that your words have been twisted RR.

Do you believe that people can accuse someone and because they are accused the accusation is accurate and true? Just because someone asserted it?

If I say you have green pointed ears does that make it true because I bothered to write it down?

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#664909 Oct 17, 2013
chipped nails wrote:
<quoted text>
I can tell you are an atheist.
And that makes you the smartest pew warmer in your whole entire church.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#664910 Oct 17, 2013
OCB wrote:
Give me one example where I have EVER twisted your words.
Yet another lie (for your Jesus....)
OCB wrote:
I KNOW what you were referring to,'TARD.
But that I posted that fable would most likely not bother Christine as she obviously understood why I posted it to you and it had NOTHING to do with talking animals, you fool.
Aesop never claimed that animals can REALLY talk; your STUPID bible does.
You really ARE dumb, aren't you?
And probably TOO dumb to actually know just how dumb you are.
But your stupidity is quite neck and neck with how smarmy and duplicitous you are.....

RiversideRedneck wrote:
Nine insults in one post.

You're getting to be very bothersome and boring.

OCB wrote:
Nine FACTS in one post.

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